Chimeran Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's a stock strike, yes put it on timer.No it should not use ammo. The next upgrade stock strike Blitz it hopeless, it does not even work on elite mobs.Why is that, it's a much higher level skill LvL 35+ If an elite mob can be cryo grenaded, then why does Blitz not work on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirHaggis Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) I have three possibilities 1. Shoddy worksmanship. hitting it knocks a couple cells loose. 2. A small, but powerful explosive device in the butt of our guns. It may one day go off in mid hammer shot. 3. All troopers are cyborgs and the cells are inside us, not our guns. Plus the whole rocket punch generating heat thing. Blitz, Shoulder slam, pommel strike, etc are designed to kill trash quicker. they don't want it used in pvp or on bosses. Edited December 24, 2011 by SirHaggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borderlad Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's a stock strike, yes put it on timer. No it should not use ammo. .... Stock Strike is an ability that uses some of your replenishing resource. Ammo, energy, force, rage, mana, soul shards, chi, bottlecaps, whatever... It's your resource for using your non-free abilities. Doesn't matter what the name is. It's still the thing that keeps one class's abilities more or less balanced with the other classes' abilities. If you're going to get hung up on realism, why ever would you play a Star Wars game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DracoArdel Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Well you see when you hit them with your gun, the bullets fall out..... Yeah logically it makes no sense, but strip away the flavor text and it does make sense that an ability with that much damage to use mana (really for all intents and purposes that's what it is) and have a cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfhourofpower Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Well, they're called energy cells as well so the trooper could potentially burn two energy cells to give his stockstrike a crapload more force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnknprk Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The better question is why is it called a Stock Strike for the Commando too. A Vanguard actually uses the butt of the gun. Commando just swings the BFG like a very heavy bat hitting them with the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeblesTV Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Balance reasons. It has a nasty knockback in the hands of a commando, and can apply ion cell and be reset a lot for vanguards. It needs an ammo cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercturq Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The same reason why Jedi's need to actually "Use The Force" to swing their light saber for a two-hit combo. The answer? It is a video game, relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixonenine Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Because meh? There is no reasonable excuse. The most likely scenario is because the Bounty Hunter equivalent -- Rocket Punch -- builds heat, which lore-wise, I suppose, makes sense. Therefor, they had to match it with the Trooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrigOrion Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's a stock strike, yes put it on timer. No it should not use ammo. Please learn the basics of how this game is played before posting again. "Ammo" is just a resource, like mana in many other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomag Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I lost a fist fight once because I ran out of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchesq Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 maybe u drop some ammo by running up and smash facing. but that is a very good question. notice the riot strike does not use ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailis Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Please learn the basics of how this game is played before posting again. "Ammo" is just a resource, like mana in many other games. Troll much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitaant Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Stock Strike is an ability that uses some of your replenishing resource. Ammo, energy, force, rage, mana, soul shards, chi, bottlecaps, whatever... It's your resource for using your non-free abilities. Doesn't matter what the name is. It's still the thing that keeps one class's abilities more or less balanced with the other classes' abilities. If you're going to get hung up on realism, why ever would you play a Star Wars game? this isn't realism. this is stupidity. Issues with realism would be issues with the physics and such. To make hitting someone with the butt of your rifle cost ammo is an insult to intelligence. Right there with horde paladins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AetherMcLoud Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 this isn't realism. this is stupidity. Issues with realism would be issues with the physics and such. To make hitting someone with the butt of your rifle cost ammo is an insult to intelligence. Right there with horde paladins. Why does pistolwhipping someone heat up my Bounty Hunter armor? Balance. Stock strike costs ammo because every single ability in the game besides basic attacks cost some amount of resources. Otherwise it would be extremely unbalanced. If stockstrike costed no resource you would HAVE to use it every available cooldown otherwise it would be a dps loss. Which would of course mean mercs/commandos would have to melee all the time. Now what exactly is an insult to intelligence again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcgregorya Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) It is kinda funny though. In real life the only time you'd use the butt of your weapon is close ranged without any ammo left. In SWTOR, the only time you can't use it is when you're closed ranged and out of ammo... I think it falls under the same logic as "why would I shoot at people as a gunslinger when my face punch does 3x as much damage?" I guess it's more of a problem that shooting someone in the face does less damage than just punching them... Edited February 21, 2012 by dcgregorya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkdraman Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 ever fire a real gun? there is this magical thing called "recoil" and if you were striking an enemy with the butt of the gun, and shot a round or two, that recoil could be used to seriously bust someone's face up. tl;dr: use recoil to increase strike force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsuz Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Why does pistolwhipping someone heat up my Bounty Hunter armor? Balance. Your Bounty Hunter doesn't pistol whip, he rocket punches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonYakovlev Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) ever fire a real gun? there is this magical thing called "recoil" and if you were striking an enemy with the butt of the gun, and shot a round or two, that recoil could be used to seriously bust someone's face up. use recoil to increase strike force. heh... fire a round or two when striking with rifle stock? what a great idea! must try it! oh, wait a minute... before i start, tell me... are you absolutely sure that i won't shoot myself when doing so? *trollface.jpg* All this stockstrike thing looks really weird to me. Why does it do so much damage? How can this stockstrike do 10 times more damage, than a rifle brust from point blank range?.. I can understand if it stuns, interrupts, knocks back, whatever... But plain damage?... Why do u need that blaster thing in the rifle at all?? Imagine what damage would stockstrike ability deliver, if your trooper was armed with an old-style mace or hammer instead of that flimsy plastic thingy? ) And why no bayonet? ) Edited February 21, 2012 by AntonYakovlev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonreiyn Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Should ammo be used in smacking someone with your firearm. No. Should melee abilities be free to use by range classes in Tor. No. Should players expect Bioware to create a secondary resource system to avoid this issue regarding "realism". No Is this slightly annoying. Yes. Is there a solution that will make everyone happy. No, but the game is great and life moves on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va_wanderer Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Cause it's actually not just smacking them with the rifle butt, there's a discharge plate built into the back. Which is why it's handy for auto-proccing Ion Cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzenorath Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 this isn't realism. this is stupidity. Issues with realism would be issues with the physics and such. To make hitting someone with the butt of your rifle cost ammo is an insult to intelligence. Right there with horde paladins. Following this logic. Why doesn't Full Auto burn all 12 cells? Feel free to count how many bolts you shoot. Why is Hammer Shot free? Does it shoot air? It's a game. It's a melee damage ability which requires resources to use. It's a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaneBlueriver Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Following this logic. Why doesn't Full Auto burn all 12 cells? Feel free to count how many bolts you shoot. Why is Hammer Shot free? Does it shoot air? It's a game. It's a melee damage ability which requires resources to use. It's a game. Hammer shot does not shoot air mate. It uses alot of those rainbow colors you call happiness against the sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyelids Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Why does pistolwhipping someone heat up my Bounty Hunter armor? Balance. Stock strike costs ammo because every single ability in the game besides basic attacks cost some amount of resources. Otherwise it would be extremely unbalanced. If stockstrike costed no resource you would HAVE to use it every available cooldown otherwise it would be a dps loss. Which would of course mean mercs/commandos would have to melee all the time. Now what exactly is an insult to intelligence again? /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLScuddie Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I lost a fist fight once because I ran out of ammo. http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/weapons/knuckle-blaster-stun-gun.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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