Summer of SWTOR Update

[casirabit]

Honestly, how can you still be working on your gear? If you do the Oricon story arc, you get a full set of armor. A quick trip to the gtn and possibly 100k later and you have everything else you need. If it takes a fresh 55 longer than 2 hours to be SM Ops ready, you must be doing it wrong.

 

The only thing you may feel you need to work on, is augmenting, as that's a bit expensive. Certianly it doesn't take time, but it takes a lot of credits for a fresh, first time to 55 toon. However, you don't need to be fully augmented to do TFB SM, as most groups are so completely overgeared they can easily take a couple of "newbs".

 

Honesty, I know this lady so I can tell you what she is doing. She is working on getting all her 72 and she has 3 pieces more to go for her medic. In fact all her gear is fully augmented with purples as she made all the augments for her gear. Sure you can run them with less than that but considering the groups lately and their yelling and screaming about gear can you blame someone for wanting to be overgeared?

 

I can't. I have a complete set of 72, earpieces and one implant and some 78 and I still hear complaints in the hard modes I do.

 

She is playing it safe and I commend her for that. I would never preach to her that she is doing something wrong and I sure wouldn't presume to judge someone without learning the facts first like most people seem to do.

 

I grant you that you don't know her but honesty you immediately say she is doing something wrong. Why? If you wanted to know what the gear problem was ask don't assume she is doing something wrong. That shows a lack of consideration for another person. Never judge a person without learning the facts first.

Edited May 8, 2014 by casi

[Jiminison]

Toggle hood and maybe swimming or day and night cycles would be a good bandaid for 2.8 shrinkage problem.

[Octom]

As it stands right now, the Chevin event was a one time event and will not be returning.

 

-eric

DISAPPOINT

 

That was one of the two best events so far alongside the first Rakghoul event.

 

It doesn't matter if they weren't 'designed' to come back or have requisition tied to them. Work can be put into bringing them back. People want the Chevin event back (and you implied you knew this) and that should be all that matters.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Octom

[casirabit]

Now, I think what they are doing is nice and I like what they are bringing in for the summer.

 

I understand some of you are upset about not having raids at least they were not mention in this update. You read this and assume there will be no new raids. We do not know that for sure. Yes it is not mention but since when does a company list every single item they are doing?

 

Furthermore, why would bioware list everything they are working on. What if they are working on some new operations and then they give you a time frame they are going to add it and something comes up and they have to delay it. How many people would be screaming in the forums?

 

I understand you think they can add everything everyone wants but come on be real here there is no way any company, no matter how much money they are making, can do everything everyone wants. That simply is not done.

 

They have added something for pvp and that was all they added that time. They are working on housing and that will be added. I think some of this update we read is going to be tied to the housing patch.

 

I have faith that bioware will add a raid for the raiders as well later and you can tell me my faith is misplaced but guess what that is my choice and not yours.

 

I suggest you step back and relax a little bit. Getting all worked up because raids were not mention is not good for you. Enjoy life and don't get so worked up on things that we truly don't know what is going to happen. This is only May and summer is still a ways off.

 

Have a beautiful and fun weekend. Take care.

[Infernixx]

There is no reason whatsoever why we can't have everything they are adding plus more raids. Is SWTOR broke? Are they not making enough $$ from our sub fees plus God knows how much from the CM? Star Wars should have at least 4 full NEW raids per year mixed with several smaller "TC" style instanced boss raids.

 

I suspect you don't truly grasp how much they are likely working on, simultaneously.

 

We do know this much: They're working on new PVP warzones, arenas, GSF zones, new modes for GSF, new Flash Points, Casino Event, new Tactical Flash Points, Strongholds, Guild Ships, the Conquest system, the Prestige system, fixing old bugs, fixing new bugs, new CM stuff, Stronghold related goodies to drop from old raids and new raids, NiM DP, class balancing, the Rakghoul Resurgence-to-come, Legacy Banks, new BoL stuff, making new NPC races, fixing old NPC races, new worlds, new daily areas, and a brand spanking new level-increasing expansion to come at the end of the year AND maintaining the whole thing on a weekly basis. And they're working on all of this, at the same time.

 

I'm not saying that they can't do more. I'm saying that there comes a point where if you try to take on more, the whole suffers as a result. And I trust them to find that balance. The fact that they pushed back Strongholds 2 months so that it could be done RIGHT from the start, instead of having to go back and fix it after launching too soon shows me that they've learned their lesson about launching stuff too soon.

 

all of this is, of course, just my opinion.

[Gwena]

Some nice stuff here. The return of various events and the casino sounds promising. I wonder what the prizes will be?

 

The treatment they're giving SM Ops also sounds interesting. Though I'd love to play through all the Ops just to see them, I find the idea rather daunting. Mind you, I'm not an idiot and know the basics of group play, but my gear is not great (mostly 156, not all augmented) and I lack experience (Rakata gear was the bee's knees the last time I did an Op, lol). So the prospect of being able to do a 16-man SM Op through GF without having to worry about being a burden to the group or getting ripped apart for my lack of awesome gear is very appealing. ^^

 

Overall, I am rather underwhelmed by this next update due to its size (or lack thereof), but I've got more than enough alts to keep me busy and I'm looking forward to housing and the "bigger" expansion later this year.

 

But what I really wanted to know is . . . will they be fixing any of those small but annoying bugs that drive me nuts?

Edited May 8, 2014 by Gwena

[ZETA_SCORPII]

I suspect you don't truly grasp how much they are likely working on, simultaneously.

 

We do know this much: They're working on new PVP warzones, arenas, GSF zones, new modes for GSF, new Flash Points, Casino Event, new Tactical Flash Points, Strongholds, Guild Ships, the Conquest system, the Prestige system, fixing old bugs, fixing new bugs, new CM stuff, Stronghold related goodies to drop from old raids and new raids, NiM DP, class balancing, the Rakghoul Resurgence-to-come, Legacy Banks, new BoL stuff, making new NPC races, fixing old NPC races, new worlds, new daily areas, and a brand spanking new level-increasing expansion to come at the end of the year AND maintaining the whole thing on a weekly basis. And they're working on all of this, at the same time.

 

I'm not saying that they can't do more. I'm saying that there comes a point where if you try to take on more, the whole suffers as a result. And I trust them to find that balance. The fact that they pushed back Strongholds 2 months so that it could be done RIGHT from the start, instead of having to go back and fix it after launching too soon shows me that they've learned their lesson about launching stuff too soon.

 

all of this is, of course, just my opinion.

So raiding is a mini-game then? I thought it was a main attraction. My bad.

[Infernixx]

So raiding is a mini-game then? I thought it was a main attraction. My bad.

 

To you, it may be the main attraction. But, it seems that TOR is a huge grab-bag of interests and areas of enjoyment.

 

A theme park, if you will.

 

To your right, you have GSF and ground PVP.

 

To your left, you have Flash Points and Operations.

 

Over to the side, Housing and Achievement grinding.

 

Over there, that's the pet collecting area and the speeder collectors.

 

That big area in front of you is the story content, 1-55. Daily areas attached to the side.

 

On the fringes, you have the RP areas and the GTN Players.

 

So, I guess what I'm saying is, TOR isn't just about Operations, and the Dev recognize that the whole needs attention, not just Operations.

 

For what it's worth, I'm certain we'll be getting new Operations with the next expansion at the end of the year.

[Icebergy]

Pretty disappointed in 2.8. Hopefully 2.9 will make up for it. Casinos may be interesting, but I'm really disappointed that the devs think two new flashpoints constitute an exciting story arc for multiple patches.

 

Pretty much the only thing I am happy about with this thread is the fact that they are sticking to their guns with the Chevin event. GIVE US NEW STUFF STOP RECYCLING!

[jankiel]

new modes for GSF

 

Uh where did you get that from?

[LordMalic]

So basically what you are saying is let us cater to our F2P player making this game Pay to Play? Not saying NiM content isn't challenging, but "New" content isn't on the horizon till at least end of the year so technically we are not getting "NEW" content anytime soon, making the game kinda dull and unimpressive. Right now there is Free games supported with less money being updated faster than this game. ESO which launched only a month ago, but already has a very strong set of content and building up to a new set of content that has me amazed. Right now there are games that are free or even apps on phones and tablets that get more updates and new content then we receive here.

 

Lately just too many empty promises and lack of content. I keep playing, but my patience is running thin with this game. How many times can you rehash specific items on the Cartel Market? I like to earn my rewards not buy them. Same mount rehashed in 10 different colors gets old after awhile.

 

Why not cater to both F2P and actual players who like endgame content. Give back to the players who are actually paying for this game. Really bolstering SM's, they are easy as pie now. So the subscribers who are left, think about where your money is going.

[Costello]

So the only new thing to experience is some slot machines and a couple of new fighters?

 

This can't be everything can it?

[NoFishing]

I grant you that maybe a new operation would be nice for you people that have done all the operations before but honesty how long will that keep you happy. A week at most and then you will be back in the forums complaining you have nothing to do again and again and again.

 

Not really. The raiding scene in SWTOR was just fine and dandy with a new operation showing up every 6 to 8 months. Players of other games even called it "above average".

 

Yes you have a right to ask for it but stop telling others that they are wrong for liking what bioware is doing. Just because you don't like does not give you the right to make snide and rude comemnts to those that like it. Maybe you would like the tables turned on you and have people be rude and make snide comments about the new operations you want.

 

Nobody complains about other stuff being added. During the time when a new operation was being added every 6 to 8 months, we also had new WZs (at least until the end of 2012), flashpoints, events, daily areas, and an expansion with a level cap bump. Raiders did not complain en masse about any of that stuff being added.

 

But when the cadence of content you value more than doubles, it is entirely justified to complain about it, and look at what Bioware IS focusing on, and wonder if they have their priorities right. Some might make snide or rude comments, I try to avoid going too over the top on those. But either way, feedback doesn't always come with a pretty bow.

 

And I'd also point out that PvPers have complained, quite justifiably, about a lack of content for them. Ranked, OWPVP, and a lack of new WZs have all been sources of contention, with quite a few claiming that Bioware only cared about PvE carebears. If that isn't snide or rude, I don't know what is.

 

Of course that never really bothered me - I was too busy raiding to care. :-)

[AMightyKnight]

So the only new thing to experience is some slot machines and a couple of new fighters?

 

This can't be everything can it?

It isnt. Youll get an Nightmare Operations Event as well. But beware, three months from now they remove it again, leaving us with hardmode and one or two additional mechanics on every boss.

And this is all perfectly accetpable, since running the same ops for more than a year until 3.0 will keep serious raiders subbed.

 

On the other hand, if they are keeping this up they wont have to build nightmare stuff anymore after the level cap raise, since too few progression raids will be left to actually clear it...

This means more and broader 'tactical' & 'bolstered' content which by definition has to be good for everyone. So enjoy

Edited May 8, 2014 by AMightyKnight

[NoFishing]

I suspect you don't truly grasp how much they are likely working on, simultaneously.

 

And during the period when we had new raids added every 6 to 8 months, they were also working on legacy system, customizable UI, new FPs, new WZs, Makeb, server merges (x2!), the F2P transition, the CM, several events, the GSF expansion, NiM raids, etc etc. Doing raids did not seem to inhibit them from also doing other things at the same time.

 

I'm saying that there comes a point where if you try to take on more, the whole suffers as a result.

 

I agree. For me it feels like they crossed that point with GSF, and are making it worse with strongholds.

[bassfu]

And during the period when we had new raids added every 6 to 8 months, they were also working on legacy system, customizable UI, new FPs, new WZs, Makeb, server merges (x2!), the F2P transition, the CM, several events, the GSF expansion, NiM raids, etc etc. Doing raids did not seem to inhibit them from also doing other things at the same time.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of those had been started during the end of beta/shortly after launch when the team was a great deal larger than it is now and it was simply a matter of tightening things up and releasing them in some timely interval. Now we're at a point where things are starting to be build from scratch with less manpower.

[RSKeogh]

I love this is so much. My entire guild has wanted a casino on nar shaadda for so long and we finally have it! Im so hyped for the stuff on this list. I will putting millions into that slot machine for those rewards I just know it XD hopefully the odds wont be harsh (fingers crossed) Edited May 8, 2014 by RSKeogh

[ZETA_SCORPII]

I love this is so much. My entire guild has wanted a casino on nar shaadda for so long and we finally have it! Im so hyped for the stuff on this list. I will putting millions into that slot machine for those rewards I just know it XD hopefully the odds wont be harsh (fingers crossed)

 

I hear the grand prize is a Huttball t-shirt with with a Minor Space Experience Boost. Until they say otherwise this is what I will believe.

[Andryah]

It's disheartening to realize that there has not been a new op in 9 months and they are not intending to release another one any time soon. This information may be good enough for you, but for some of us we need something to look forward to.

 

Seriously over the top and over dramatic IMO.

 

It's advance information about coming content this summer. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

As to peoples personal disappointments and anger over not seeing what they want, or not being able to understand that partial information =/= final patch notes........ that's on the person feeling disappointed/angry. People need to own their feelings and stop projecting and attacking Bioware for every personal disappointment IMO. It's not constructive and it does not encourage constructive discussion between forum members.

 

If you only play for the anticipation of OPS........ The game is many things to many people.. it is not your personal candy bar of MMO crunchy goodness.

 

But you know what.. you all keep on being so negative... that should really encourage them to continue talking to us in the forum.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Andryah

[Kulyok]

I'm so looking forward to this! I hope there will be Pazaak in the Casinos. I really do, I loved it so much in KOTOR!

 

I don't do PVP or Starfighter, but the Group Finder for Operations sounds awesome! I would love to complete each operation in storymode at least once(my guild is great, but ops-wise they're mostly grinding weekly DF and DP), for the achievement and the story. Granted, people will probably not like first-timers like me around, but I'm an experienced legacy 46 player with decent augmented gear(and there's a bolster), and as long as someone briefly mentions tactics in the chat before each boss, I think I can be useful.

 

And looking forward to double XP, Gree(missed it the last time, since I was low level), and new Forged Alliances stuff in August, naturally. And rakgouls! Yay! (Ahem.)

 

I'm wondering if we are getting another Makeb-like expansion somewhere later in the year. I mean, the signs and the hints point to it, right?

[Andryah]

I'm so looking forward to this! I hope there will be Pazaak in the Casinos. I really do, I loved it so much in KOTOR!

 

I don't do PVP or Starfighter, but the Group Finder for Operations sounds awesome! I would love to complete each operation in storymode at least once(my guild is great, but ops-wise they're mostly grinding weekly DF and DP), for the achievement and the story. Granted, people will probably not like first-timers like me around, but I'm an experienced legacy 46 player with decent augmented gear(and there's a bolster), and as long as someone briefly mentions tactics in the chat before each boss, I think I can be useful.

 

And looking forward to double XP, Gree(missed it the last time, since I was low level), and new Forged Alliances stuff in August, naturally. And rakgouls! Yay! (Ahem.)

 

I'm wondering if we are getting another Makeb-like expansion somewhere later in the year. I mean, the signs and the hints point to it, right?

 

/Agree.

 

While some people are up in arms and running with "they killed my kitten!! and I'm sooooo disappointed" diatribes over this partial disclosure of what's coming this summer.... I think most people can see that what they are doing is building foundational extensions to SWTOR content... content that can be extended and provide more diversity of play rather then just grinding out the same thing over and over again.

 

And the drama over OPS is completely over the top in this thread IMO. I actually like what I read here about the reworking they are doing around OPS. It may or may not benefit me personally, but I like that they are looking for ways to improve on the system of OPS..... not just crapping out a new OP for those that specialize in rolling them up and rolling them across the MMO plains before discarding.

 

I get that raiders want more end game OPS.... but this game is much more then just end game OPS. Sorry folks.. but if you want nothing but end game raid content..... why are you playing this game? Sincere question.... because this is a modern themepark MMO. In themeparks, they encourage you to ride all the rides and to add new rides (not clones of old rides) from time to time. If you only ride one ride all day long, 7/24, the problem is not with the game... it's that you chose the wrong game to get so invested in. This game will never cater to anything "hardcore", with the possible exception of hardcore altaholics.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Andryah

[MorgothPl]

Seriously over the top and over dramatic IMO.

 

It's advance information about coming content this summer. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

As to peoples personal disappointments and anger over not seeing what they want, or not being able to understand that partial information =/= final patch notes........ that's on the person feeling disappointed/angry. People need to own their feelings and stop projecting and attacking Bioware for every personal disappointment IMO. It's not constructive and it does not encourage constructive discussion between forum members.

 

If you only play for the anticipation of OPS........ The game is many things to many people.. it is not your personal candy bar of MMO crunchy goodness.

 

But you know what.. you all keep on being so negative... that should really encourage them to continue talking to us in the forum.

 

Yes, I agree... to each his/her own. If you find the thrill in whatever they are adding to SW:ToR and are quite happy without end game content like OPS and new HM Flashpoints, stay subbed then. I don't find thrill in casinos and housing, so there will be nothing new for me for the next 6-9 months. Thus I decided today with unsubbing. I do not intend to pay for the game, that offers no content, I desire.

[Loc_n_lol]

Since the GREE EVENT is returning soon©, could you devs please, please, make the Ilum bolster the same as the warzone bolster. Currently the Ilum bolster has a very minimal effect on expertise. This makes all PvP happening in the area pretty much a joke for anyone who doesn't have PvP gear.

Yes PvP is (more or less... exploits and accidents nonwithstanding) optional, but that's no excuse, every time the event happened I saw many players who did not have any PvP gear but were willing to participate in PvP for fun. Obviously the fun was short-lived when 2018 expertise meets 600-something.

And it's not like PvP focussed players can't beat xeno-II in their PvP gear...

[AMightyKnight]

And the drama over OPS is completely over the top in this thread IMO.

So ten bosses in two difficult modes and two nightmare op events in what looks like will be 12 to 14 months is acceptable?

 

I get that raiders want more end game OPS.... but this game is much more then just end game OPS. Sorry folks.. but if you want nothing but end game raid content..... why are you playing this game? Sincere question.... because this is a modern themepark MMO. [/Quote] Sincere answer, most players in my raiding guild will leave the game for wildstar, there just not enough challenging stuff outthere to keep them interested. And my last guild died because of the very same reason.

But hey, i acutally agree with you, the game isnt just end game ops and i do enjoy much of the other stuff. But the thing is, challenging group content isnt just some niche, it should be the the very core of the end game. They are neglecting it this year and still fail to relaize they cant justz build their game around minigames like GSF and Housing. GSF already did poorly and Strongholds will not offset that either.

Its great when you have the ressources to build such things but something is wrong when more important stuff suffers. And no, 'more important' is not just ops. This is true for Ground PvP and Story Content as well.

The thing is, BW actually did a good job when it came to realeasing ops the past years. One operation every six months is just right, but 10 bosses for probably more than a year until after the level cap raise is just embarrassing IMO.

But hey, if things are what they are and the 30ish guys who are actually working on this game just cant do more and the mini game stuff is required by EA or something, how about you relase some Nightmare versions of old flashpoints? With current gear drops (maybe no set items) and an lockout? It cant be that hard to tweak a couple of numbers here and there... Is it too much to ask for actually challenging game content? Right now there are 5 bosses in the game that provide any challenge to a semiskilled ops group with BIS gear from last tier. Come 2.8 these 5 bosses will be nerfed back to HM levels and only the new mechanics will remain. We get 5 new nightmare bosses we killed a gazillion times since last October and those bosses will get nerfed as well with 2.9.

 

Sorry, but i'm not paying 15€/month to blow through 1000 GSF games and soloing 'tactical' flashpoints they cant even release a hardmode version off. But i'm sure thats just me, subbing non stop since launch and all...

[varietasplus]

I am so excited about all the good stuff PVPers get, I can not wait for patch 2.8 and 2.9.

I also think adding a new tier of PVP gear was a brilliant idea in patch 2.7, its unique look is definitely something worth grinding for.

Doesn't matter, PVPers are generally happy as long as there is someone to kill.