Telaan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 So its a bad thing to be playing the game for the content, instead of grinding that next set of gear? Gear acquisition =/= content Unfortunately that is something that is largely lost on far too many mmoers today. While WoW certainly didn't invent gear progression, it made it mainstream. In the modern mmo new content is synonymous with gear progression/grind. This is especially true in theme park mmos. You're far more likely to see gear be less relevant in a sandbox mmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raynezazki Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Wait...I'm just reading this thread (currently have part ob, part conq and part part on my assassin). I should replace my partisan pieces with the 46s? O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanbs Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If bolster is in wz's i want to have same in Hm ops . In every new patch you are killing pvp in this game . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Wait...I'm just reading this thread (currently have part ob, part conq and part part on my assassin). I should replace my partisan pieces with the 46s? O_o Yes you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 46s in MH give lower white damage, but not so low that it is not competitive. With the stats seen in the OP, I was able to get 6k Rail Shots. http://imgur.com/rHM2Qh7.jpg Lower white damage how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW-TORtanic Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If bolster is in wz's i want to have same in Hm ops . In every new patch you are killing pvp in this game . Read this thread to introduce a PvE bolster. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=721390 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krewcify Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) http://imgur.com/rHM2Qh7.jpg Lower white damage how? I think he means when you mouse over your "Maul" or "Shadow Strike" for example..(( IN A WARZONE )) It delvs a lower number in the description of the ability. When comparing Obrian MH/OH to 45 MH/OH. I could be wrong though. Edited February 11, 2014 by Krewcify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzioMessi Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 The crystals don't make up for 50 bonus damage all by themselves though... Power crystals end up giving you 18.86 more bonus damage than Expertise Crystals. Again, i don't consider that bonus to be significant at all, and I just end up keeping my Obroan MH/OH, just because I don't wanna lose 300 Expertise in an OWPvP fight. But making PvE gear superior to PvP gear is wrong. Make it on par with PvP gear, or slightly worse, but never better than PvP gear. That's why i see little wrong with the whole blue 46 gear issue except the MH/OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzioMessi Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 If bolster is in wz's i want to have same in Hm ops . In every new patch you are killing pvp in this game . Obroan is already on par with the gear you need for doing HM Ops, and the relics are actually superior to the ones HM Ops drop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think he means when you mouse over your "Maul" or "Shadow Strike" for example..(( IN A WARZONE )) It delvs a lower number in the description of the ability. When comparing Obrian MH/OH to 45 MH/OH. I could be wrong though. Not likely given all stats point the other way.. But fair enough, i will check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanbs Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Obroan is already on par with the gear you need for doing HM Ops, and the relics are actually superior to the ones HM Ops drop... no no , i want to take 46 Mh and OH and do Hm ops , like a person in 78 gear , that would be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missandei Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) no no , i want to take 46 Mh and OH and do Hm ops , like a person in 78 gear , that would be fair You can do the HM Ops until you reach level 55. You can do PvP from level 10. not fair. is that what you mean? Edited February 11, 2014 by Missandei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanbs Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 You can do the HM Ops until you reach level 55. You can do PvP from level 10. not fair. is that what you mean? you can do also flashpoints from lev 10 , and there is litte difference between 55 and 10 lev wz's . Hm ops with 46 MH !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missandei Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) and there is litte difference between 55 and 10 lev wz's . Such as? i would understand all the despair if there would be Tiers of PvP that you allowed to enter only if you have wasted 100 hrs of mindless grind... and the «exploit» would be a workaround for it. But thats not the case. you are even free to PvP naked in the same WZ where people are in full BiS 67lvl PvP gear.. PS.. And could anyone of the defenders of the Ultimate Grind system enlighten me what is happen when you finally made a full Oboran set? You then quit the game thinking that you have won it? Edited February 11, 2014 by Missandei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I much rather the devs focus on class balance, new maps, and new objectives over gear grinder. Just remove PVP gearing and leave bolster in and be done with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayobreezie Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I don't know, but I just did the 46 mods with partisan/conquerer mh/oh last night.. now it feels like I'm not an easy target. Was tired of using mostly Partisan gear and having my expertise under 1900. Was on the long grind of regearing one of my toons.. now, I can be competitive and slowly obtain pvp gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raynezazki Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yes you should. Wow. K then. I'll miss the set bonuses though. But hey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missandei Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Wow. K then. I'll miss the set bonuses though. But hey... lvl61 PvE gear have a better bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savej Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 broken bolster + buffed backstabbers + unchecked cc + ridiculous healing + virtually no dev communication = easy choice for April's entertainment budget (sad but true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 broken bolster + buffed backstabbers + unchecked cc + ridiculous healing + virtually no dev communication = easy choice for April's entertainment budget (sad but true). Well, I agree with most of that assessment, but how is it bolster broke? Philosophically? Nope.. bolster puts everyone on par from the stats perspective. Systematically? Meh, a few tweaks, but nothing that is making the game unplayable. What's broke is PvP gear/the Grind and the last part of your statement. It has led people astray and now its been exposed, but BW decides to remain silent about it. We always talk about bads, but I think I will apply that term elsewhere now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyMcNeely Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 broken bolster + buffed backstabbers + unchecked cc + ridiculous healing + virtually no dev communication = easy choice for April's entertainment budget (sad but true). Exactly. I've been a Star Wars fan since I saw the first movie on opening night in 1977. We had just come home from Erlangen, Germany when my Dad retired from the military. I was 3 years old. Man, when you're 3, that screen goes on for DAYS. Every year since then for Christmas and my birthday, my Mom gets me something Star Wars-related. I got a 32"-tall Darth Vader figure for Christmas this year and my hubby's 1-year-old grandson LOVES it. Needless to say, when SWTOR was announced, I was OVER THE MOON. I've been here since early access and have loved most of it. But BW/EA has really screwed the pooch as far as I'm concerned. And it's not the big things. It's an aggregate of little things that are ignored, shoved under the rug, or initially addressed and then forgotten. Like Savej implied, it's all the little things that are making me want to go play something else. It's like the old adage "The Death of a Thousand Tiny Cuts". I wouldn't ***** so much if I didn't care. But MMOs are kind of like relationships in that they require a significant investment of your time and attention. And most people are going to leave a disinterested partner for someone who pays attention and meets their needs. Sorry for the hyperbole, but in this case it helps make my point. Say what you will about upcoming MMOs, but one in particular has impressed the HELL out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savej Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Well, I agree with most of that assessment, but how is it bolster broke? Philosophically? Nope.. bolster puts everyone on par from the stats perspective. Systematically? Meh, a few tweaks, but nothing that is making the game unplayable. What's broke is PvP gear/the Grind and the last part of your statement. It has led people astray and now its been exposed, but BW decides to remain silent about it. We always talk about bads, but I think I will apply that term elsewhere now.. bolster isn't "supposed to put everyone on equal footing" and it doesn't. Note how many people are in a given wz without even 28k health or full expertise or competitive damage numbers on their mainhands. Even in this thread there are ppl running around with partial or obsolete expertise items. Explaining it to a newbie or a returning veteran is difficult. It's become a parody of a gear system and really couldn't be much worse outside of the naked bolster fiasco (been there done that). The worst part is that it probably could be fixed relatively easily by shuffling some formulas and that hasn't happened. What are they waiting for? There's no indication it ever will get fixed at this point and no confidence that a fix won't leave something else broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krewcify Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Not likely given all stats point the other way.. But fair enough, i will check it out. Yeah, look into this for me. Now that I looked at that, it makes me wonder. Get back to me on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) bolster isn't "supposed to put everyone on equal footing" and it doesn't. Note how many people are in a given wz without even 28k health or full expertise or competitive damage numbers on their mainhands. Even in this thread there are ppl running around with partial or obsolete expertise items. Explaining it to a newbie or a returning veteran is difficult. It's become a parody of a gear system and really couldn't be much worse outside of the naked bolster fiasco (been there done that). The worst part is that it probably could be fixed relatively easily by shuffling some formulas and that hasn't happened. What are they waiting for? There's no indication it ever will get fixed at this point and no confidence that a fix won't leave something else broken. But is does as long as you follow the "rules". I know what your saying but on your previous post you spoke about communications. Those issues above are because we are lacking on communication from the Devs and each other.The problem is the "rules" have not been made public, and the players had to find all these issues. Before we can discuss what to do BW needs to decided whether PvP will be about gear, not be about gear, or rework the entire PVP gearing system. Edited February 12, 2014 by L-RANDLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) What's broke is PvP gear/the Grind and the last part of your statement. It has led people astray and now its been exposed, but BW decides to remain silent about it. Maybe BW can write us another non-mathy Bolster expose telling us what we already discovered and know, except this time they can tow the company line and say that balancing bolster is just too technically challenging and they don't have the resources. no no , i want to take 46 Mh and OH and do Hm ops , like a person in 78 gear , that would be fair Why do PvPers want to PvE so bad? I'm already able to do all the PvE I can handle (storymode Ops and FPs) in my PvP and crafted gear. You can even do HM FPs in the same gear if you are that bored and like that sort of thing. What more PvE do you really want to do? Edited February 11, 2014 by DarthOvertone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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