Kaedusz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Except most people aren't doing this. I am not so sure about that, and even if it is true, it's irrelevant. At the end i got mine.(the color team knows what i am talking about) Edited December 27, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Nothing. However the Canon Sidious no longer benefits from post ep 6 EU/Legends, when you compare Vitiate vs Canon Sidious.And that's the point. Again, you don't need post-ROTJ material at all for Sidious. He's pretty much the same without it. Literally the only difference between ROTJ/DE Sidious is his younger clone bodies and mastery of Force Storms, even then he was still able to do Force Storms before DE the difference being, he hadn't quite mastered the ability. Edited December 27, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Except most people aren't doing this. I am not so sure about that: snip see? /5char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 see? /5char See what exactly? All I was pointing out, is that post-ROTJ material isn't needed to discuss Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 And of course we all know Rituals accomplish what your standard power cannot, they can't be used to determine power in the force. Very much so. Besides, Palpatine was doing similar draining to Byss, without rituals. And he was controlling it to ensure that Byss served as a limitless source of sustenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Along with the Color Team's personal Bible - Dark Empire which on top of everything else got replaced. So you admit Vitiate is non-existent? Well then, I guess Sidious is more powerful by virtue of existing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Yes keep being a grammar Nazi to people that don't have English as native language.I am sure it's going to erase that fact that new movies are coming out. Grammar Nazi is a phrase Children use when they get called out on being unstable to convey themselves as a respectable person online. English isn't my first language, it's my third, and I still believe my writing to be acceptable. No ones angry that new movies are coming out, you're angry that despite DE being retconned, Sidious is still far superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 When someone uses a ritual to do something, then a ritual is the requirement for it. There are no other ways to do the thing other than with a ritual. People using the ritual thing vs Vitiate are just attempting powerless mud slinging. Rituals do what your normal power cannot, the book of Sith confirms this. Stop acting like you know anything about what you're talking about, you obviously don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcheseAMM Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Ladies, let us calm down here. What is the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highsis Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I feel stupid discussing this when GL increased Death Star 2's size by 31 times because the mother ship in independence day film took the record of the largest vessel in movie history. GL is that petty. Why do we have to get heated up over some settings that GL himself doesn't even care a bit in realism and consistency? After all, if GL had said R2-D2 is the most deadly droid in galaxy his claim cannot be disputed because he is the original creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) I feel stupid discussing this when GL increased Death Star 2's size by 31 times because the mother ship in independence day film took the record of the largest vessel in movie history. GL is that petty. Why do we have to get heated up over some settings that GL himself doesn't even care a bit in realism and consistency? After all, if GL had said R2-D2 is the most deadly droid in galaxy his claim cannot be disputed because he is the original creator. Well people keep wanting to try and one-up Sidious...why? I have no idea, the discussion is to make sure some false information isn't spread around like fact like a few other things have, especially one that's been spread around as fact for like 30+ years. << Is Vitiate powerful?...Yes, no one is denying that. Is Vitiate more powerful than Sidious? No... I'm not understanding why certain people argue this. Edit: Scratch my previous post bout ROTJ/DE Palps being roughly the same, DE Palps is more powerful/knowledgable. I double checked right quick. Still point remains however, he doesn't need DE to be the most powerful Sith. Edited December 28, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Grammar Nazi is a phrase Children use when they get called out on being unstable to convey themselves as a respectable person online. English isn't my first language, it's my third, and I still believe my writing to be acceptable. cool story bro *cough* sis Rituals do what your normal power cannot, the book of Sith confirms this. Not in Vitiate's case. No ones angry Not sure about anyone else but you are clearly not mad,not at all. Edited December 28, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Not in Vitiate's case. Ohh, I now see why no one takes you seriously. Don't worry guys, Kaedusz is Leland Che, he gets to decide Canon so we might as well bow out of here. The terrible grammar and hilarious failure under the ruse of logic must be an act. Edited December 28, 2014 by Selenial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Ohh, I now see why no one takes you seriously. Don't worry guys, Kaedusz is Leland Che, he gets to decide Canon so we might as well bow out of here. The terrible grammar and hilarious failure under the ruse of logic must be an act. hahah,you hate me soo much don't you cus of the things i said long ago and came about ,the butthurt is strong in you,as expected don't worry, as Aurbere said Vitiate doesn't exist, so Sidious is the most powerful by virtue of existing.Take solace in that. Edited December 28, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I'm sorry for poking the hive guys... I thought the winter had killed them all off. Like 3 months of nothing then BAM! Kaedusz, GL may have been the one to hype Sidious, but always remember. It was Drew Karpyshyn who hyped the Sith Emperor... Between the two, I have more respect for Lucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Didn't he write that with Bioware's supervision? Edited December 29, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Didn't he write that with Bioware's supervision? No, he was the lead writer, he was the supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) No, he was the lead writer, he was the supervision. not in the sense i meant it @StarSquirrel , having in mind some of his past works i think he deserved to be cut some slack.Even if he destroyed my ex favorite SW character, the Exile. Edited December 29, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 His past works were terrible as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) His past works were terrible as well What about Bane for example? Edited December 29, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 What about Bane? First one was decent, second two sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Nearly every single Vitiate power accolade is only relevant by TOR's timeline and the ones that aren't restricted by TOR's timeframe give him no 'most powerful ever' accolades whatsoever. Want a good example of how Vitiate fits in overall in the mythos? Read Darth Plagueis. Incidentally that same novel makes it quite clear Plagueis himself is stronger. Oh and Karpyshyn's best work isn't Star Wars it is Mass Effect, by magnitudes at that. KotOR is the only Star Wars product that he wrote which produced genuinely top writing, everything after that was filled with Dark Empire/Tales of the Jedi style OTT statements about how mustache twirling evil Bane or Vitiate were. I mean were we seriously meant to take kid Zannah seriously with that 'She channeled the power of darkness' crap? Edited December 29, 2014 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Oh and Karpyshyn's best work isn't Star Wars it is Mass Effect was gonna say that but figured people relate easier to SW works in this forum,despite the fact(imo) that Mass Effect's greatest plus is the atmosphere/vibe which the soundtrack creates(not the story in itself ) Edited December 29, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcheseAMM Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Vitiate and Darth Nihilus are more powerful then Darth Sidious, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Vitiate and Darth Nihilus are more powerful then Darth Sidious, IMO. no need to fake modesty by saying ''imo'' Edited December 30, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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