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[SnickerJew]

So what's a free recording software that does not put too much strain on my system?

 

GoProHD

 

I personally use Fraps (purchased version) & it works well for me, but my computer can handle pretty much anything.. Not sure what other programs are avaliable.

[xxSHOONYxx]

GoProHD

 

I personally use Fraps (purchased version) & it works well for me, but my computer can handle pretty much anything.. Not sure what other programs are avaliable.

 

brb getting Unregistered Hypercam 2

[KeyboardNinja]

Bandicam is just about the lightest thing possible for a system. The free version adds a watermark and limits the length (I think 10 minutes?). It also auto-encodes and produces quality which is almost indistinguishable from fraps.

[xxSHOONYxx]

Welp 798 minutes to upload to youtube

 

9.20 GB per video per parse

 

GG guys

 

Edit: 1178 minutes

Edited August 7, 2014 by xxSHOONYxx

[wadecounty]

Parsing sucks.

 

Pretty much the only post I've agreed with in the last few pages of this thread.

 

This is why I don't parse, the funny thing about parsing is we're not looking for who performs the best rotation, we're looking for who performs the best rotation combined with who has the best RNG combined with who has the best gear. And 2 of those 3 things are somewhat out of your control.

 

If we REALLY wanted to know who's playing a class optimally, we'd standardize crit and damage values in parses, although that would get really tricky with abilities that rely on the % of health the target is at.

 

The problem is, people take parsing so seriously, it turns into an e-peen contest, and we end up with stuff like we have now (Jaberse cheating, another person maybe cheating, others carrying pitchforks even if that second person didn't cheat, just a big ugly mess over batting practice instead of the actual game).

 

The only reason I even use parses in helping to determine raid spots is to help show impartiality (although I think parses themselves are hardly impartial because of the above factors I listed), instead of just saying, "sorry Joe, but Bob is a better player than you", in cases where Bob is clearly better than Joe... and if its close, a couple parses wouldn't matter to me either, I'd probably just take whoever signed up first or what utility we need more.

Edited August 7, 2014 by wadecounty

[ML_DoubleTap]

Pretty much the only post I've agreed with in the last few pages of this thread.

 

This is why I don't parse, the funny thing about parsing is we're not looking for who performs the best rotation, we're looking for who performs the best rotation combined with who has the best RNG combined with who has the best gear. And 2 of those 3 things are somewhat out of your control.

 

If we REALLY wanted to know who's playing a class optimally, we'd standardize crit and damage values in parses, although that would get really tricky with abilities that rely on the % of health the target is at.

 

The problem is, people take parsing so seriously, it turns into an e-peen contest, and we end up with stuff like we have now (Jaberse cheating, another person maybe cheating, others carrying pitchforks even if that second person didn't cheat, just a big ugly mess over batting practice instead of the actual game).

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

 

Jokes aside, yeah that's pretty much why I don't bother participating anymore. I didn't have the patience to parse for hours fishing for good RNG. I'll do maybe a parse or two per week on each dps toon to see where I'm at.

Edited August 7, 2014 by ML_DoubleTap

[wadecounty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

 

AMEN

 

/5char

[KeyboardNinja]

Sorry Cotrex, but…smoking gun:

 

12:40:18.927 Cotrex's Flame Burst critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 4704* elemental damage, causing 4704 threat!

12:40:18.928 Cotrex kills Operations Training Dummy.

12:40:24.829 Cotrex loses Primary Surge.

12:40:25.438 Cotrex loses Nano-Infused Attack Adrenal.

 

Note the adrenal. This means that at roughly 12:40:10, we should see an adrenal activation. However, we don't. In fact, the last adrenal activation is at 12:37:36.847. Both of Cotrex's recent parses (the contentious one and its predecessor) exhibit this phenomenon.

 

Even if the parse wasn't cropped, clearly something is missing. I think this, paired with the out-of-place execute, is fairly definitive.

[TheLukeFactor]

- Removed in light of tam's most recent post - Edited August 7, 2014 by TheLukeFactor

[xxSHOONYxx]

Sorry Cotrex, but…smoking gun:

 

Note the adrenal. This means that at roughly 12:40:10, we should see an adrenal activation. However, we don't. In fact, the last adrenal activation is at 12:37:36.847. Both of Cotrex's recent parses (the contentious one and its predecessor) exhibit this phenomenon.

 

Even if the parse wasn't cropped, clearly something is missing. I think this, paired with the out-of-place execute, is fairly definitive.

 

It looks that way, I will dig around again and see what I can find. This whole situation gets weirder by the day

[xxSHOONYxx]

Taken directly from my log as found in the combat logs folder

 

[12:40:08.446] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [shoulder Cannon {3066482095292416}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Shoulder Cannon {3066482095292416}] ()

[12:40:08.561] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [Rapid Shots {814282849648640}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (304 energy {836045448940874}) <304>

[12:40:08.649] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [shoulder Cannon {3066482095292416}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

[12:40:08.651] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Nano-Infused Attack Adrenal {3261082768506880}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

[12:40:08.651] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Nano-Infused Attack Adrenal {3261082768506880}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Nano-Infused Attack Adrenal {3261082768506880}] ()

[12:40:08.711] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [Rapid Shots {814282849648640}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (506* energy {836045448940874}) <506>

[12:40:08.806] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [Rapid Shots {814282849648640}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (330 energy {836045448940874}) <330>

[12:40:09.050] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [shoulder Cannon {3066494980194584}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2649* kinetic {836045448940873}) <2649>

[12:40:09.543] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [burning (Tech) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2270* elemental {836045448940875}) <2270>

[12:40:09.649] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [burning (Tech) {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1627* elemental {836045448940875}) <1627>

[12:40:09.649] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Flame Burst {814222720106496}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

[12:40:09.650] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (16)

[12:40:09.650] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Prototype Particle Accelerator {2466122976722944}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Prototype Particle Accelerator {2466122976722944}] ()

[12:40:09.651] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [burning (Tech) {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1627* elemental {836045448940875}) <1627>

[12:40:09.780] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Power Surge {3302116886052864}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Power Surge {3302116886052864}] ()

[12:40:09.781] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [burning (Tech) {2027100009660709}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2432* elemental {836045448940875}) <2432>

[12:40:09.797] [@Cotrex] [Operations Training Dummy {2857785339412480}:134049508153] [Flame Burst {814222720106496}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4823* elemental {836045448940875}) <4823>

[12:40:11.270] [@Cotrex] [@Cotrex] [Rail Shot {814278554681344}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()

 

So it was activated at 40:08, but that also can't be correct as it has a 3 minute cooldown and I think that was ~2:30 after the last one This is mind boggling. So not only do I have a messed up execute phase, I used an adrenal early? And it wasn't transfered to torparse at all?

 

This is a bit much, I don't blame anybody else for thinking this is falsified now, hell I'd think so too. I'm just trying to figure out how it happened .

[KeyboardNinja]

So it was activated at 40:08, but that also can't be correct as it has a 3 minute cooldown and I think that was ~2:30 after the last one This is mind boggling. So not only do I have a messed up execute phase, I used an adrenal early? And it wasn't transfered to torparse at all?

 

This is a bit much, I don't blame anybody else for thinking this is falsified now, hell I'd think so too. I'm just trying to figure out how it happened .

 

Can you upload the log file directly to a public download link somewhere? Google Drive or Dropbox work well for that sort of thing. Torparse can sometimes parse things incorrectly.

[Headpunch]

Can you upload the log file directly to a public download link somewhere? Google Drive or Dropbox work well for that sort of thing. Torparse can sometimes parse things incorrectly.

 

Tam, for comparison's sake, should Cotrex upload the predecessor parse that you mentioned since, per your analysis, it also exhibits the mismatch in adrenal activation/loss?

Edited August 7, 2014 by Headpunch

[KeyboardNinja]

Tam, for comparison's sake, should Cotrex upload the predecessor parse that you mentioned since, per your analysis, it also exhibits the mismatch in adrenal activation/loss?

 

Both parses would be good in raw form. If you page back in the thread, both logs are still available on torparse. I'll update this reply with the full links, as well as Mungtatta's last uploaded parse for comparison.

 

• Cotrex (recent) - http://www.torparse.com/a/732021/2/0/Overview
  
• Cotrex (older) - http://www.torparse.com/a/731621
  
• Mungtatta - http://www.torparse.com/a/719280/time/1405059692/1405060050/0/Damage+Dealt
  

Edited August 7, 2014 by KeyboardNinja

[Headpunch]

Both parses would be good in raw form. If you page back in the thread, both logs are still available on torparse. I'll update this reply with the full links, as well as Mungtatta's last uploaded parse for comparison.

 

I saw both on TORParse. I was referring to the raw form upload to a public service like Dropbox. Thank you for taking the time to analyze this.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Headpunch

[KeyboardNinja]

I saw both on TORParse, and was referring to the raw form upload to a public service like Dropbox. Thank you for taking the time to analyze this.

 

I think it's in everyone's best interest to have the most accurate board possible. It's a little distressing that there have been this many discrepancies.

[xxSHOONYxx]

Yep can do

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/16gzs5xy8jw00wl/AADE7jayPcyKj9TfhW3IWGCLa

 

Should have both of them

Edited August 7, 2014 by xxSHOONYxx

[ZGOZZ]

This is really disappointing.

Very sad, Very Sad

Tam has been handling it.

But this does not look good for his guild..

Edited August 7, 2014 by ZGOZZ

[xxSHOONYxx]

This is really disappointing.

Very sad, Very Sad

 

And very confusing, at least on my part.

[Archaetorrhi]

http://www.torparse.com/a/737269 balance 8/2/36 somewhere around 3980, didn't check kill timestamp.

 

*grumble grumble* 20 dps off of a 4k...

[namesaretough]

And very confusing, at least on my part.

 

Just to make sure I'm all caught up:

1) You got two record setting parses in in two days with 50%+ RS and 60%+ FB crit

2) Both of these parses had an execute phase start much later than it should have, a "bug" which noone can reproduce

3) Both of these parses had either a phantom adrenal fading at the end or an adrenal magically off cooldown well before it should be which didn't get written to the log, another "bug" noone can reproduce

4) Both of these "bugs" are more easily explained by editing the combat log manually to add extra crits and move the ending time up, shortening the fight, and

5) You maintain you're ignorant of how this could have possibly happened.

 

Look, everyone gets that your reputation is important to you, but there's only so long you can keep claiming innocence in the face of evidence before it gets ridiculous. You'd save everyone who's examining this for you a lot of time (and keep from losing any goodwill that's left) if you admitted doctoring the parse.

 

That isn't a difficult thing to word. Something on the order of "Here's an edited parse to test your script." seems natural. When someone posts a parse under the name of "Inspired'by'morggan", it's not exactly a stretch to read that as a troll. If it was not intended as such, I apologize, but there was very little ambiguity about the original post (as evidenced by the fact that it was removed by the moderators despite the fact that I didn't report it).

 

The parse that sevak linked was one I made that he posted for me, because I was preferred. I saw the conversation about Morggan's parse and was interested in this script that you said could detect doctoring parses. I was a bit troll-y in the name and he was a bit troll-y in the post but my intent was (slightly) more noble than just causing trouble. This conversation over the last few pages answers my question, by the way, but if you want to look at the parse I reuploaded it with a better name here.

Edited August 7, 2014 by namesaretough

[RynZelara]

Wow the DPS thread blew up in the last day...

 

As a matter of personal taste, I'd like to thank everyone for being relatively civilized about all this. The truth is always the preferred end result, and there are ways to reach the truth without jumping to conclusions or being jerks about it. So far everyone seems to be avoiding that kind of behavior in relation to this situation with Cotrex's parse, so again, thank you.

 

I too am interested to see what further examination uncovers. As a matter of simply asking (since I haven't seen anyone else ask yet), is it even possible (from a coding standpoint) that something could be bugged for only one person (I know we have a couple programmers here who could probably answer this, maybe), and could a major lag spike prevent swtor from recording an adrenal activation where it should have been?

 

I only ask because it's due and proper course to examine all angles of something when trying to find the truth. So while there are other things that are being examined, maybe someone could answer these to sate my curiosity. =)

 

Also, I'll have my spot back one of these days when I stop being lazy -_-

[xxSHOONYxx]

You'd save everyone who's examining this for you a lot of time (and keep from losing any goodwill that's left) if you admitted doctoring the parse.

 

You think I don't know that? The only reason I keep defending myself is because it is true. I can very well say "Alright go home people I faked it" and I have considered saying just that to end this fiasco. But at the end of the day I never cheated.

 

If you would like I could say it

 

Hey everybody, I cheated.

 

It's not true, but I said it. And if it would make things smoother all around than just take that and ban me.

Edited August 7, 2014 by xxSHOONYxx

[xxSHOONYxx]

Actually you know what, **** it

 

I cheated

 

I didn't really, but for the good of the board, <Aisthesis> and the whole gosh darn community I will take this one. I'll leave the guild, and never post another parse here again. I just can't take it anymore. Have fun guys.

 

edit: lol "gosh darn"

Edited August 7, 2014 by xxSHOONYxx

[Headpunch]

Wow the DPS thread blew up in the last day...

and could a major lag spike prevent swtor from recording an adrenal activation where it should have been?

 

I only ask because it's due and proper course to examine all angles of something when trying to find the truth. So while there are other things that are being examined, maybe someone could answer these to sate my curiosity. =)

 

Considering that both of Cotrex's parses in question exhibit the missing adrenal, it's unlikely that a "major lag spike" could have impacted both. I won't address your coding question because it is not my area of expertise.