R.A.W Season 1

[ZenomX]

Actually, the guys in Core 2 never had played together in ranked before Monday night, and aren't fully geared either. We didn't even know who would be in the 2nd team until 15 mins before the game started. Our team 1 is the Core team that everyone has come up against in ranked that has been playing together since 1.3.

 

Also, Coral was very nervous before the game. She doesn't really like ranked and didn't like the idea of everyone on the server watch her play. What Obiray said was just to give her some confidence before the match.

 

I realised your team 2 wasnt ur core team. But in saying that it is filled with some really solid players, as apparent on the night.

 

I apologise for calling out Obiray about the comment to Coral. It just seemed very arrogant at the time as it looked like a stab at us. I understand Coral being nervous, I was really nervous too, considering it was only my 5th ranked match. Having a big audience doesnt help lol.

[Mulloway]

Congratz to the winners so far and good luck to future contenders:csw_redsaber:

 

Also an honorable mention for Meds, keep up the posts mate it's nice to have anything let alone something entertaining to read on here

 

 

 

I know we aren't as good as Core. We don't have fully optimized EWH gear

 

Seriously, how many toons on this server have fully optimised EWH.....I doubt anyone playing for Core ll does. Idk why people get so excited about EWH anyway, once you get your toon fully optimised with WH you are light years ahead of a non-optimised EHW player and not significantly disadvantaged against an optimised one.

 

Team composition/co-ordination, player skill, leadership and strategy are what will win you games provided your team is reasonably geared.

[Novarium]

If you actually read my post carefully you will see that i wrote "I am curious". It was more a question then anything else. It was something noticed by a few people and we wanted to know why this was the case. No need to get so defensive.

 

Im sorry, But i will get defensive when its about my team.. and intended or not you made the comment that we replaced Cattaa by the elite pvp'er from Midian, So you clearly think that Raken and Cattaa are not on the same level of play. Just because someone has the <Midian> or <core> tag does not automatically mean that they are of a higher caliber then someone else. I found that comment offensive because you also made the comment that you could have improved your chances by replacing members from other guilds. You then made the comment that you wanted to have a proper guild team in the spirit of the game. Clearly no matter how much you sugar coat it you are having a dig at us and stating that those two individuals are not on the same level and that Pandemic only did as well as we did because we replaced Cattaa with Raken.. You highlight the "just curious" part but your entire post is aimed at us saying we wont be as competitive with out the likes of Raken... you should go and check your own post it is all there in black in yellow! As Highlighted Raken is apart of Pandemic just as much as he is apart of Midian.

[iheartnyc]

As Highlighted Raken is apart of Pandemic just as much as he is apart of Midian.

 

I have no bone in this fight but I disagree with your contention here.

 

Broadly speaking, yes a guild is really nothing more than a form of social club with a fancy little title under your name. Not sure about your experience in other MMOs or PVP games, but I think it's commonly accepted fact that "guild tag" or "who you raid with" is not important in determining team status, as much as who they actually PVP with on a serious level. In order of importance, the following factors should control:

 

1) Who does the player spend the majority of time engaging in PVP?

2) In a ranked/rated format, who does the player team up with in PVP?

3) Who deos the player strategize/team build with, with regards to PVP?

 

Now you say that Raken raids with you weekly and is on your TS3 channel everynight. None of these activities fall under any of the above determinations. OK, I give you that he is in your "core raiding group." But outside of this tournament, has he ever done rateds with <Pandemic>? Has he invested the same amount of time strategizing and team building with <Pandemic> for PVP purposes? It seems not. Based on what little I know, it seems he is clearly a member of <Midian> core team and that for this tournament, he has "subbed" for your guild team.

 

I pass no judgment on whether this is fair or not fair, and I admit there is a lot of gray area here. Given population issues, I see no reason why players shouldn't be allowed to sub and I see nothing wrong here. But I think it's also fair to say that he was "subbing in" as he is not in your core PVP team. I would also venture to say that if this was a professionally run PVP tournament, had Midian entered this tournament, Raken would not have been allowed under tournament rules to enter that tournament in any team other than Midian. Like some of you, I watch a lot of streams and MLG games, and never have I seen someone from another core team enter a tournament with a separate team.

Edited February 21, 2013 by iheartnyc

[blameitonthe]

Can someone direct me to the Healing guide for fail noobs.

 

-partytrick

Edited February 21, 2013 by blameitonthe

[blameitonthe]

i have no bone in this fight but i disagree with your contention here.

 

Broadly speaking, yes a guild is really nothing more than a form of social club with a fancy little title under your name. Not sure about your experience in other mmos or pvp games, but i think it's commonly accepted fact that "guild tag" or "who you raid with" is not important in determining team status, as much as who they actually pvp with on a serious level. In order of importance, the following factors should control:

 

1) who does the player spend the majority of time engaging in pvp?

2) in a ranked/rated format, who does the player team up with in pvp?

3) who deos the player strategize/team build with, with regards to pvp?

 

Now you say that raken raids with you weekly and is on your ts3 channel everynight. None of these activities fall under any of the above determinations. Ok, i give you that he is in your "core raiding group." but outside of this tournament, has he ever done rateds with <pandemic>? Has he invested the same amount of time strategizing and team building with <pandemic> for pvp purposes? It seems not. Based on what little i know, it seems he is clearly a member of <midian> core team and that for this tournament, he has "subbed" for your guild team.

 

I pass no judgment on whether this is fair or not fair, and i admit there is a lot of gray area here. Given population issues, i see no reason why players shouldn't be allowed to sub and i see nothing wrong here. But i think it's also fair to say that he was "subbing in" as he is not in your core pvp team. I would also venture to say that if this was a professionally run pvp tournament, had midian entered this tournament, raken would not have been allowed under tournament rules to enter that tournament in any team other than midian. Like some of you, i watch a lot of streams and mlg games, and never have i seen someone from another core team enter a tournament with a separate team.

 

we gna own pandemic faces newayz

Edited February 21, 2013 by blameitonthe

[Cilas]

Yeah, I'd like to arrange something like this on our server, but we don't have enough teams in the same caliber or skill as each other. Big gap between teams that destroy and teams that dont

[D_anger]

I cant be bothered reading all this, but as tinkle and obi have made everyone quite aware, we will suck? probably.

 

this will actually be our first game fully queued as a guild (and even then there is only 7 of us). We dont have a big player base to draw from for our team, but more to the point we wanted to participate in what looked like a great event last time (we couldnt get the numbers last time). 1m creds isnt much to have a heap of fun.

 

I dont believe bashing people on forums and ingame etc is not a good way to foster the growth of such a tournament and our server in general. personally i dont really care if u call us out, but there is more then me in my guild and obviously the WL guys took offence and perhaps rightly so.

 

Quite of a few of us have some pug / balanced RWZ experience (many times thanks to Core), but never as a guild. We hope to do alright and will definitely be using tonight as a gauge of where we are.

 

Good luck tonight everyone playing.

 

/K

 

/still looking for guardian tank for week 2

/and open recruiting for our guild as we continue to run our Ops nights and develop our RWZ team

[MouldyCrow]

Whole bunch of crap.

 

Seriously? The tournament had 7 teams and needed 8, for like 2 weeks! We put together a team and people cry about what guild tag people in it have. Seriously, go f@$k yourselves if you're butthurt about it.

 

Would it make you all feel better if Goldmoon rocked on with a ZK guild tag? Cattaa could go back to Liege, I could go back to Big Stinky or even further back into Dark Immunity where Raken and I were in the same guild before he joined Midian. Then we could call ourselves a PuG and people crying might be happy and ****. Raken has toons in our guild, was available and Cattaa normally plays Basketball mondays. We have bugger all reserves unless you count Pink who helps us sometimes. Instead of making insinuations about our composition you could have asked us and we'd have been straight up about it.

 

Sorry I didn't realise we were playing for sheepstations or anything. Sif Core or Ewok isn't going to win anyway, why cry about Pandemic, jeez. Don't see any thread about Luc playing for Core on here, because nobody f#%ing cares - its a game.

[Novarium]

I have no bone in this fight but I disagree with your contention here.

 

Broadly speaking, yes a guild is really nothing more than a form of social club with a fancy little title under your name. Not sure about your experience in other MMOs or PVP games, but I think it's commonly accepted fact that "guild tag" or "who you raid with" is not important in determining team status, as much as who they actually PVP with on a serious level. In order of importance, the following factors should control:

 

1) Who does the player spend the majority of time engaging in PVP?

2) In a ranked/rated format, who does the player team up with in PVP?

3) Who deos the player strategize/team build with, with regards to PVP?

 

Now you say that Raken raids with you weekly and is on your TS3 channel everynight. None of these activities fall under any of the above determinations. OK, I give you that he is in your "core raiding group." But outside of this tournament, has he ever done rateds with <Pandemic>? Has he invested the same amount of time strategizing and team building with <Pandemic> for PVP purposes? It seems not. Based on what little I know, it seems he is clearly a member of <Midian> core team and that for this tournament, he has "subbed" for your guild team.

 

I pass no judgment on whether this is fair or not fair, and I admit there is a lot of gray area here. Given population issues, I see no reason why players shouldn't be allowed to sub and I see nothing wrong here. But I think it's also fair to say that he was "subbing in" as he is not in your core PVP team. I would also venture to say that if this was a professionally run PVP tournament, had Midian entered this tournament, Raken would not have been allowed under tournament rules to enter that tournament in any team other than Midian. Like some of you, I watch a lot of streams and MLG games, and never have I seen someone from another core team enter a tournament with a separate team.

 

I disagree with you on based on two key principals. I appreciate you not passing judgement.. However you seem to have focused in on a very small fragment of this game.. the first factor the argument could be made that Midian hardly ever play rated matches these day's due to being inactive at the time, so therefore he actually spends a lot more of his time raiding with us then he has ever done pvping with Midian So based on the observation that he spends more time with us both being social in ts3 and raiding. The second point that could be made is that he spends a lot of time in normal warzones qued with us so therefore he also spends a lot of time pvping with us.. So infact the only time he is actually being active with Midian is during their RWZ which is almost nonexistent. I think it is a massive overstatement to place a guild tag on someone's head and simply claim them based on the rules that you gave. This is not an overall perspective of the individual player, rather you are applying what ever guidelines you feel like applying.. (there is a reason this is not aloud in court) As far as your comments go about the 3 rules and him not falling under those rules i could make a set of rules on my own.

 

1. who does he spent the majority of his time with

2. which guild has more toons on his account

3. who is he more social with.

 

Based on these 3 rules that i just made up he falls under Pandemic and each in every case however im not so silly to go ahead and claim he belongs to us because he fits into the rules that i jut made up.. The fact of the matter is that Pandemic Leadership agreed that we would not force him to give up his Midian ranked team spot because he wanted to raid with us.. that would be silly and rather childish if we were to force him to do such a thing.. But in fact Raken has been quite helpful in strategies and signal calling and pointing out key mistakes that we are making. So he has been instrumental in helping us prepare.. So therefore he should be given the opportunity to play with us.. I think any reasonable person would come to this same conclusion

[Catta]

This whole Raken playing for PANDEMIC thing is actually ridiculous. He joined our guild when we absorbed the guild Dominion to join our ranks for PvE, however as he had just had his PT accepted into Midian's A team at the time, he didn't want to ditch his guild tag. Now that Midian are not queueing for the tourney, Raken signed up to PANDEMIC's roster. As Xav stated, I normally play basketball on mondays so was unable to make the assigned games, and therefore did not sign up to play. This is the reason I didnt play on Monday, and as my game was cancelled, I was sitting on the fleet, eagerly watching the stream.

 

To this butthurt Wookie Leaks player, who has remained Anon, quit the hating. We lost, you lost, and you're just making it look as though you're making an excuse just incase you lose the game against us, making you the worst team in the tournament. Stop giving your guild a bad name and go qq elsewhere.

 

Looking forward to hopefully making an appearance in some upcoming games, and watching some more exciting games from you other guys

[Roastmouse]

Looking forward to the games between Wookie Leaks and Pandemic on Monday.

[iheartnyc]

So therefore he should be given the opportunity to play with us.. I think any reasonable person would come to this same conclusion

 

I agree with you. Given that <Midian> is sort of on a break, this is a moot point. However, if <Midian> was still running rateds and was in this tournament, obviously there would be issues.

[Discoteck]

Looking forward to the games between Wookie Leaks and Pandemic on Monday.

 

^This will almost be as entertaining as a midian vs core game.

 

Anyway loved the game tonight between my two favourite guilds on the server. Cant wait to see what the moist and legit can do together after they start practicing.

 

We thought we lost it twice but managed to kill and orb our way to a victory. It would also be interesting to see how the other two matches would have gone if we didn't lose our sage heals.

[Murlinn]

Wow, you leave the house for one day and the tards start to rage.

**** everyone, this is a competition between the only MDN guilds that can form an 8 man ranked team.

The whole event means as much as pooning a 300 buck escort and claming you pooned the hottest chick on the block.

Our server is small, the teams competing are the ONLY ones capible of getting an 8 man team together (more than 1 are PVE exclusive guilds) so stop the bs and enjoy the plays as alot of them are closer than the guys who still live in their mums basement using an xl document are predicting.

Meds man, you’re too old for this trolling, so go find your first, fall in love and make a life for yourself. Same for swash...

Good job to Icesis and his mate (Sorry lol) for organising this event, fantastic job. Wookie Leaks will be paying 500k each to Icesis and his mate for the hard work they put into this event and not the winning team (6m is enough).

 

In conclusion harden up, stop the alt+f4 rematch bs and play, if you lose you lose but don’t be elitist about it because you’re not, Number 1 on a dead server means sweet bugger all.

[Obirayy]

like i said... fight to the death

[ZenomX]

This whole Raken playing for PANDEMIC thing is actually ridiculous. He joined our guild when we absorbed the guild Dominion to join our ranks for PvE, however as he had just had his PT accepted into Midian's A team at the time, he didn't want to ditch his guild tag. Now that Midian are not queueing for the tourney, Raken signed up to PANDEMIC's roster. As Xav stated, I normally play basketball on mondays so was unable to make the assigned games, and therefore did not sign up to play. This is the reason I didnt play on Monday, and as my game was cancelled, I was sitting on the fleet, eagerly watching the stream.

 

To this butthurt Wookie Leaks player, who has remained Anon, quit the hating. We lost, you lost, and you're just making it look as though you're making an excuse just incase you lose the game against us, making you the worst team in the tournament. Stop giving your guild a bad name and go qq elsewhere.

 

Looking forward to hopefully making an appearance in some upcoming games, and watching some more exciting games from you other guys

 

I am far from butthurt. We saw something that didn't look right. Some conclusions were drawn (not just by me). Then when the opportunity arose I brought it up on the forum. You and your guild leader seem to be the butthurt ones with the defensive replies. If your guild has nothing to hide just say "we had him for this reason..." it was a legitimate concern that more then one person had on the night. By coming back with attacks you just made yourselves look bad.

 

So get off your high horse and stop your ************.

 

See you on monday.

[Novarium]

 

EDIT: Oh and about Pandemic... I am curious why they subbed in a pro midian pvper while Cattaa was sitting on fleet doing nothing. Atleast Wookie Leaks is running a full guild group, I am sure we could have poached some pvpers from other guilds but that wouldn't be in the spirit of competition. I can understand if a "pug team" was needed to fill the 8th spot or if a guild simply didn't have the numbers. But this doesn't fit any of those categories.

 

Ummmm in case you missed it here id "your original post again!! I and every one else here can read the deliberate attempt to discredit us don't make some crap about just being curious and just asking a question.. that's a load of rubbish your accusations are clearly stated above and you just trying to deny your own accusations is just making you look like an idiot. you clearly state that wookie leaks would not do this. you clearly state the u think Raken is the better player. You clearly state that this is not in the spirit of competition. you state if it was a pug team.. all of those accusations come from your own keyboard.. Now that you have clearly not gotten your own facts straight your trying to back out and make us look like the unreasonable ones.. If you were just asking a question it would look something like this.

 

"Hey Pandemic, some of us were just curious as to why Raken is playing for you guys because we saw Cattaa just sitting on the fleet?"

 

Now any idiot can see the difference between "just a question" and a statement loaded with accusations.

 

Xavier - Educating people since Swtor launch 2011

[ZenomX]

Ummmm in case you missed it here id "your original post again!! I and every one else here can read the deliberate attempt to discredit us don't make some crap about just being curious and just asking a question.. that's a load of rubbish your accusations are clearly stated above and you just trying to deny your own accusations is just making you look like an idiot. you clearly state that wookie leaks would not do this. you clearly state the u think Raken is the better player. You clearly state that this is not in the spirit of competition. you state if it was a pug team.. all of those accusations come from your own keyboard.. Now that you have clearly not gotten your own facts straight your trying to back out and make us look like the unreasonable ones.. If you were just asking a question it would look something like this.

 

"Hey Pandemic, some of us were just curious as to why Raken is playing for you guys because we saw Cattaa just sitting on the fleet?"

 

Now any idiot can see the difference between "just a question" and a statement loaded with accusations.

 

Xavier - Educating people since Swtor launch 2011

 

To start with I didn't know Raken was a member of your raiding team and is essentially a Pandemic member. In fact everyone I spoke to didn't know this. You cleared that up for me (and others) with your first post. It did look strange on the night to see a <midian> tag in a group of <pandemic>. So instead of getting on the attack again, look at the situation from the perspective of outsiders who don't know the situation in your guild. You should have got the commentator to make a comment on air that he is in fact a Pandemic member or mention in in the forum.

 

If you viewed my post as an accusations then I am sorry but that was not the intent. Assumptions were made (again not just be me) for the reasons Catta was out and Raken was in. I just laid out those assumptions. In hindsight I should have just asked the question with no assumptions.

 

Also I was not insinuating that Raken was a better pvper then Cattaa. I have no history with Cattaa in pvp so I have no opinion in that area. But seeing a <midian> tag in a warzone you automatically make the assumption they are no scrub. I was also told by others that Raken is a veteran pvper with alot of experience.

 

To answer cattaa's accusation that I only brought it up as an excuse if we lose to you that is just silly. Its hard for one person to carry a team in regular warzones, in ranked its impossible. If you beat us on the night its because you were the better team, plain and simple. I will happily shake your hand afterwards and say GG. I have told my guildies on a few occasions during the lead up to RAW that I would be happy if we just put in a good fight regardless of the result.

 

Oh its Goonbag btw, so you know I am not hiding behind some anon forum name.

[blameitonthe]

Ummmm in case you missed it here id "your original post again!! I and every one else here can read the deliberate attempt to discredit us don't make some crap about just being curious and just asking a question.. that's a load of rubbish your accusations are clearly stated above and you just trying to deny your own accusations is just making you look like an idiot. you clearly state that wookie leaks would not do this. you clearly state the u think Raken is the better player. You clearly state that this is not in the spirit of competition. you state if it was a pug team.. all of those accusations come from your own keyboard.. Now that you have clearly not gotten your own facts straight your trying to back out and make us look like the unreasonable ones.. If you were just asking a question it would look something like this.

 

"Hey Pandemic, some of us were just curious as to why Raken is playing for you guys because we saw Cattaa just sitting on the fleet?"

 

Now any idiot can see the difference between "just a question" and a statement loaded with accusations.

 

Xavier - Educating people since Swtor launch 2011

 

Can you ladies stop picking out each others ****** quotes and remarks that you both make and settle this actually in the warzone. As much as it is entertaining watching you all trying to outdo one another in the "You said, She said, that monkey over there said" crap, this does not matter until we actually get into the warzone. At the end of all of this I just want a damn fun game. PANDEMIC and Wookie Leaks have always had their...let's just call it "Rivalry", although I actually get along with "some" of the pvpers from PANDEMIC.

 

In saying that, I hope you bring your A game on the night PANDEMIC. Because you will be dissapointed if you don't.

 

-Partytrick

[Obirayy]

A warzone will not settle this, we need to have a fight to the death.

 

Also takyourmeds and jump were calling pandemic and wookie leaks and bunch of retarded ******* that couldn't win a normal warzone with their ranked team

[blameitonthe]

A warzone will not settle this, we need to have a fight to the death.

 

Also takyourmeds and jump were calling pandemic and wookie leaks and bunch of retarded ******* that couldn't win a normal warzone with their ranked team

 

Obigayy, go takeyourmeds and jump off a cliff.

Edited February 21, 2013 by blameitonthe

[Sitholat]

Sometimes I like to get nekkid, cover myself in vaso and writhe around on my hardwood floors pretending to be a slug.

[Novarium]

To start with I didn't know Raken was a member of your raiding team and is essentially a Pandemic member. In fact everyone I spoke to didn't know this. You cleared that up for me (and others) with your first post. It did look strange on the night to see a <midian> tag in a group of <pandemic>. So instead of getting on the attack again, look at the situation from the perspective of outsiders who don't know the situation in your guild. You should have got the commentator to make a comment on air that he is in fact a Pandemic member or mention in in the forum.

 

If you viewed my post as an accusations then I am sorry but that was not the intent. Assumptions were made (again not just be me) for the reasons Catta was out and Raken was in. I just laid out those assumptions. In hindsight I should have just asked the question with no assumptions.

 

Also I was not insinuating that Raken was a better pvper then Cattaa. I have no history with Cattaa in pvp so I have no opinion in that area. But seeing a <midian> tag in a warzone you automatically make the assumption they are no scrub. I was also told by others that Raken is a veteran pvper with alot of experience.

 

To answer cattaa's accusation that I only brought it up as an excuse if we lose to you that is just silly. Its hard for one person to carry a team in regular warzones, in ranked its impossible. If you beat us on the night its because you were the better team, plain and simple. I will happily shake your hand afterwards and say GG. I have told my guildies on a few occasions during the lead up to RAW that I would be happy if we just put in a good fight regardless of the result.

 

Oh its Goonbag btw, so you know I am not hiding behind some anon forum name.

 

Thank you Goonbag, I am glad we could come to an understanding and a resolution here, As imperials we should stick together to kill those pub's. AS to Partytrick we will settle this Rivalry on Monday night looking forward to it!

[blameitonthe]

thank you goonbag, i am glad we could come to an understanding and a resolution here, as imperials we should stick together to kill those pub's. As to partytrick we will settle this rivalry on monday night looking forward to it!

 

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Edited February 21, 2013 by blameitonthe