Brunner_Venda Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Cheap **** I see all the time: * skank tanking pyro cell vanguards. * BT1 players can still glitch and get "stuck" in the geometry of a bunker in civil war. Cap and prevent caps, while being unkillable. No, that hasn't been fixed entirely. * players getting permanently glitched invis during infiltration. All you'll see is a name tag by the door capping. It's much harder to see and stop. These aren't hacks, they're biofail bugs. They're almost as bad at fixing bugs than they are at class balancing (lol enraged defense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loomi Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Need to just make a new topic about latency exploiting. It is apparent no one is reading the recent posts, only the first one FROM TWO YEARS AGO.... Moderators please please please lock this thread already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnoblesse Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Sometimes "hacks" are actually bugs. Like bolster will give one side an advantage. I've been on the good and bad side of this. I took on 5 guys with a tank specced powertech and lived long enough to kill one and get another to half health. Just me. No one else on my team at the node. We controlled all 3 Alderaan nodes the entire match. Something was up. Back a couple years ago when I had a vanguard I remember soloing 3 guys and not dropping below 50% health. Then another match and things are back to normal. Don't think that was a bug, I think your opposing team was just bad. (There are some folks playing this game that aren't capable of breaking 100k damage as DPS in a full length warzone. The opposing team probably got stuck with several of them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macabrae Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I've been here since Day 1 and in total I've maybe seen 2-3 hacks, if even that much. If you truly think people are hacking "out of control", well then to put it simply, no you're just bad. You are probably one of the people who think Marauder Carnage spec Predation speed is "hack". And if you think by hacking yourself you constitute the game as being "fair", then do us a favor and just uninstall the game. This...I have been here since day 1 as well and maybe 1-2 in the very beginning of the game, I say maybe loosely cause what I think may have been a hack may not have been it could have been server lag or network lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 This...I have been here since day 1 as well and maybe 1-2 in the very beginning of the game, I say maybe loosely cause what I think may have been a hack may not have been it could have been server lag or network lag. Look OP is smarter and more responsible than most "grown ups" here, so here it goes: Yes there are hackers, Yes Bioware should take immediate action and Ban permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I think there are lots of valid points on both sides of the arguments or points made here. Unfortunately there are extremists on both sides of the arguments BUT Hacks do exist, BIO/EA admit it, hence the bans. I know I will get the "there are no hackers and you can't play lobby" worked up and cop abuse with this part of the post. All I can say is you are either a hacker trolling the forums, someone who wouldn't know a hack if it hit you in the face, someone who doesn't know all the class abilities in the game or LASTLY, someone who has been extremely lucky never to have encountered them. Firstly let me say hacks aren't out of control on harbinger. Although there are more in LVL 55 than pre 55. Nearly none in single queue Ranked because no hack will help you if your a bad player against a Ranked quality player. Unfortunately that doesn't mean some premade Ranked "hack" teams aren't out there, but a good Ranked team can usually still ROFL stomp them. BUT Also a lot people can't tell the difference between class abilities, strategy, good teams, lag, your own PC/network or ISP issues and also swtor server issues, plus game glitches that still need fixing. The problem BIO face is one of their own making. Once you go to a FTP model, you are in a constant battle to stay ahead of the hacks and hackers, because like some one mentioned if you ban them they just start another account. It is easier to police a Sub only game because someone paying won't want their money wasted when they get banned. Of course that's not to say there wouldn't be hackers. BIO also refuse to put into place a more strict policy on hackers. A one week ban is just ridiculous. Banned for life is what it should be. Guilds with members caught hacking should also be put on notice to discourage "guilds" that specialise in hacking. GM's and Officers would then have the incentive to police this in their guilds so that guilds aren't disbanded. Also BIO need a better hack detection program. What ever they are using at the moment is obviously not good enough. But I can't see this happening in a FTP model. First they would need to spend more money, which they won't, secondly the actual programmers doing the hacks out there for people to use, would just work a little harder to get around it to prove they can. I will finish by saying before you report a hack, check it's not "you" who doesn't know the classes and all the other things I mentioned you probably haven't taken into account. If you do hack, you obviously can't play pvp and will never be a good enough player to beat a high class pvper even with your hacks. So don't bother playing, those of us who can tell you are hacking just laugh at you and then kill you. Plus we will report you Sorry to have offend some people... At the end of the day it's up to you to decide what you believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Sorry forgot something... LOL Bio don't really care or they wouldn't make it so difficult to report a hack... If they did, there would be a report hack link in the report section ... Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnoblesse Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) You know, if there were the kind of hacks in game that people claim there are, you would think there would be tons and tons of YouTube videos of people getting caught in the act. Guess what...there aren't. Most of what is even up there is the occasional speed hacker (who do end up getting banned, btw.) Funny how according to some there are soooo many people "hacking," including entire premades, but no one ever manages to record it. Edited June 7, 2014 by Gnoblesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodrin Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfG0ruuUOk---speed hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiijlhMmBlU--teleport hack Wow, I guess one necro of this thread is not enough. It's the thread that cannot be killed. To comment though, your first video does show a hack, but it's very old and I have not seen anything like that since shortly after launch (I suspect it no longer works) The second video could have easily been client/ server lag and is not even close to definitive evidence of a hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 You know, if there were the kind of hacks in game that people claim there are, you would think there would be tons and tons of YouTube videos of people getting caught in the act. Guess what...there aren't. Most of what is even up there is the occasional speed hacker (who do end up getting banned, btw.) Funny how according to some there are soooo many people "hacking," including entire premades, but no one ever manages to record it. The problem is when you pvp you want as little lag as possible. So running a recording program in the back ground is not something you want to do all the time, even if you have a great PC. Having a lower lvl PC would make it even worse and the recording may even cause enough lag you couldn't see the hack properly. I would guess most players have a mid range PC and as such want as much performance from it when pvping. The other thing to consider is you may only come across a hack here or there in a match and your not going to go out to windows, start your recording program so it loads and records and go back in. The match could be over by that time. Also a majority of people aren't tech savvy enough to even do it. Plus taking into account the diminishing PVP player base, there is probably only a small percentage of people who would be setup to gather the proof. Just because there aren't a multitude of YouTube vids, doesn't mean that it isn't happening more often than you think. It just means that the proof isn't being gathered. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, a lot of people can't spot a hack anyway and tell the difference between a hack and other mitigating circumstances.... I would guess that at least more than 50% of hacks reported aren't hacks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grue_Hunter Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The problem is when you pvp you want as little lag as possible. So running a recording program in the back ground is not something you want to do all the time, even if you have a great PC. Having a lower lvl PC would make it even worse and the recording may even cause enough lag you couldn't see the hack properly. I would guess most players have a mid range PC and as such want as much performance from it when pvping. The other thing to consider is you may only come across a hack here or there in a match and your not going to go out to windows, start your recording program so it loads and records and go back in. The match could be over by that time. Also a majority of people aren't tech savvy enough to even do it. Plus taking into account the diminishing PVP player base, there is probably only a small percentage of people who would be setup to gather the proof. Just because there aren't a multitude of YouTube vids, doesn't mean that it isn't happening more often than you think. It just means that the proof isn't being gathered. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, a lot of people can't spot a hack anyway and tell the difference between a hack and other mitigating circumstances.... I would guess that at least more than 50% of hacks reported aren't hacks.... Right on the money as usual Icy. (Your last comment reminds me of those who speak about alien and ghost sightings.) I can only add that the nature of the game also makes it difficult at times to discern whether a player has hacked or not. With the way that bolster works, fps is handled, the lack of a narrowing of the disparity between the player's builds in the wzs and the recent new skill sets relating to alacrity and player movement speed, I've seen some strange things that I put down to issues related to the game, as opposed to hacks. Yes, I have seen anomalies that I put down to hacks (having become familiar with how the game works), so I do believe that they exist. But when I also have opposing players accuse me of hacking when I know that I don't, I am not at all surprised that there is a contingent out there who take the "no there isn't and Learn-to-Play" route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundorff Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Holy necro mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hei_Atzfel Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 LOL this thread is still a thing? People in here seriously need to L2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Right on the money as usual Icy. (Your last comment reminds me of those who speak about alien and ghost sightings.) I can only add that the nature of the game also makes it difficult at times to discern whether a player has hacked or not. With the way that bolster works, fps is handled, the lack of a narrowing of the disparity between the player's builds in the wzs and the recent new skill sets relating to alacrity and player movement speed, I've seen some strange things that I put down to issues related to the game, as opposed to hacks. Yes, I have seen anomalies that I put down to hacks (having become familiar with how the game works), so I do believe that they exist. But when I also have opposing players accuse me of hacking when I know that I don't, I am not at all surprised that there is a contingent out there who take the "no there isn't and Learn-to-Play" route. The other issue at the moment is that when you get proof and post... bio nearly instantly delete it and give the person who posted it a warning, while not taking any action against the hackers... I have seen 5 threads in the last 2 months with actual proof... I even did one myself while playing in a premade with a respected PVP guild and another respected guild in their own premade... We all saw it and I believe another person recorded it too... Speed hacks are on the rise again... And I just don't mean that one player who is now becoming well known for it... Because no action has been taken against him and others... The speed hack and teleport hack is being used by more and more people... Normally these are used in both Hutt Balls... In other maps besides civil war, the hacks can be useless... No where do the hacks stand out the most... Lowbie PvP, that's right, pre 30... For someone who knows what abilities are available pre30... The hacks stand out considerably... Ie scoundrel/operative roll roll roll, or assassin teleport... There are others... But those 2 are by far the easiest to spot... The fact that people need to cheat in lowbies is pathetic... They are the ones that need to L2P... And they are or will be the ones using these hacks higher up because they can't play any other way... Even the hack deniers can't refute that these speed and teleport hacks are happening and are possible... There has been plenty of proof posted recently... And for every person caught doing it with proof... There are many others who aren't recorded... If you haven't seen them... Then lucky you... But they are on the rise again Edited June 21, 2015 by Icykill_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Nice Necro:eek:, but still, rather we recycle then create new ones, all in the name for a sustainable forum:) On the Topic; Anyone who denies hax are either naive or uses them, anyone who can't recognize, understand or bring them self research a class ability probably always will scream - HAX!! Stay vigilant!! bio nearly instantly delete it and give the person who posted it a warning, while not taking any action against the hackers... So when the house got burgled you think the owner just sit down and take notes . . . considering the length some 'fans' goes to to justify their 'cause', would you really consider it healthy to publicly display any wrong doers!?? Think again . . . Edited June 21, 2015 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Nice Necro:eek:, but still, rather we recycle then create new ones, all in the name for a sustainable forum:) On the Topic; Anyone who denies hax are either naive or uses them, anyone who can't recognize, understand or bring them self research a class ability probably always will scream - HAX!! Stay vigilant!! So when the house got burgled you think the owner just sit down and take notes . . . considering the length some 'fans' goes to to justify their 'cause', would you really consider it healthy to publicly display any wrong doers!?? Think again . . . I have no issue if they delete them so as to not promote them... But they don't follow up on the evidence presented to them... Only once since the game was launched have we heard anything official from Bio on dealing with cheats and hackers... When people see the same people cheating continuously and not getting delt with by Bio... Their only recourse is to post proof on the forums... They shouldn't need to, but if they don't all the hack deniers troll you saying that cheats and hacks are impossible... "Post proof"... They know full well when you do that Bio will delete it... It's a win win for them either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmbuddah Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Nice Necro:eek:, but still, rather we recycle then create new ones, all in the name for a sustainable forum:) On the Topic; Anyone who denies hax are either naive or uses them, anyone who can't recognize, understand or bring them self research a class ability probably always will scream - HAX!! Stay vigilant!! So when the house got burgled you think the owner just sit down and take notes . . . considering the length some 'fans' goes to to justify their 'cause', would you really consider it healthy to publicly display any wrong doers!?? Think again . . . The videos that have recently been posted that got me two warnings were obvious speed hackers, running at 100 mph from one side of the map to the other in less than 2 seconds. And apparently this has been going on for years and a certain individual has not gotten a perma ban, in fact he admits it in general chat, and nothing is done. This leads to others doing it because they know nothing will be done, and people reporting it get in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tieru Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I thought I would find out what these supposed "hacks" were, this was mainly due to me being called a 'hacker' by people on Begeren Colony (my home server) after a pvp match (Void Star) where I scored 1.5 mil dps and 500k off-heals with about 10k objective points. This is not too impressive as far as PVP world wide is concerned. But having been called a 'hacker' and supposedly reported by their whole team and 2 from my team, this causes concern. First off I would like to say that I am a Personal Trainer IRL so I don't even know how to hack nor would I know where to start. But the threat of being banned is a concern to me, when it would be for no reason whatsoever or due to everyone on the Server hating your guts. My Question is, what are the Hacks that are being talked about here and are currently being exploited in game update 3.2-3.3 so I can avoid being called out on this ****. And my second question would be, how is Bioware going around policing this issue or investigating? Last thing I want is to drop my favorite videogame because of some half-assed attempt at policing exploits. Originally, I didn't think that hacking existed in SWTOR (most likely due to my lack of knowledge of the base) because the only *********** input a user should have is through his gameplay window. If these are through add-ons, well **** BIO, remove the add-ons! Bottom line is I thought the engineers at Bioware would be more "close sourced" when developing their software and game engines. Also, I don't even think that DDoS'ing is even a thing in MMOs, thought it was only in FPS games. Either way if I could get a response from the community on my questions that would be awesome! Don't accuse people of hacking if you don't even know what the **** you are talking about! because it has repercussions, neither of which will help you get any better at a damn game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JourrnoRush Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I thought I would find out what these supposed "hacks" were, this was mainly due to me being called a 'hacker' by people on Begeren Colony (my home server) after a pvp match (Void Star) where I scored 1.5 mil dps and 500k off-heals with about 10k objective points. This is not too impressive as far as PVP world wide is concerned. But having been called a 'hacker' and supposedly reported by their whole team and 2 from my team, this causes concern. First off I would like to say that I am a Personal Trainer IRL so I don't even know how to hack nor would I know where to start. But the threat of being banned is a concern to me, when it would be for no reason whatsoever or due to everyone on the Server hating your guts. My Question is, what are the Hacks that are being talked about here and are currently being exploited in game update 3.2-3.3 so I can avoid being called out on this ****. And my second question would be, how is Bioware going around policing this issue or investigating? Last thing I want is to drop my favorite videogame because of some half-assed attempt at policing exploits. Originally, I didn't think that hacking existed in SWTOR (most likely due to my lack of knowledge of the base) because the only *********** input a user should have is through his gameplay window. If these are through add-ons, well **** BIO, remove the add-ons! Bottom line is I thought the engineers at Bioware would be more "close sourced" when developing their software and game engines. Also, I don't even think that DDoS'ing is even a thing in MMOs, thought it was only in FPS games. Either way if I could get a response from the community on my questions that would be awesome! Don't accuse people of hacking if you don't even know what the **** you are talking about! because it has repercussions, neither of which will help you get any better at a damn game! You die as a noob, or live long enough to be called a hacker. Just /ignore them and move on. If you are talking smack after wooping some butt, then people would be inclined to be rude back to you (aka report you for hacking, call you a hacker, etc) It appears the hacking that happens in this game is rarely acted on and it would only be acted on with a thorough investigation. You're fine if you aren't a hacker, if you are and people are video taping you doing weird stuff then you will probably be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainamoinen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 My Question is, what are the Hacks that are being talked about here and are currently being exploited in game update 3.2-3.3 s! There's always been a movement hack - location is handled locally, not on the server, so this is technically possible - but BW slowly follow up and catch these. Then there are imaginary hacks - enemies not taking damage, doing insane damage, etc. Damage is handled server-side so this can't be hacked in any realistic scenario. This is the province of misunderstanding, where people don't know enough about PvP to say why they had their backsides soundly spanked, and blame it on hacks. Sounds like you played well enough for someone to pull the latter - badge of pride there. Having some opponent whine hacks when you beat them fair and square. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyMayesHere Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I never thought I would be one to call hacks until I was in a ranked 4v4 this weekend with a teleporting sorc that could push back while in force barrier and continue the force barrier after the pushback. This same sorc teleported from the 2nd floor of the arena to the first floor by the spawn point. I had no server lag and my whole team saw this in real time speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I thought I would find out what these supposed "hacks" were, this was mainly due to me being called a 'hacker' by people on Begeren Colony (my home server) after a pvp match (Void Star) where I scored 1.5 mil dps and 500k off-heals with about 10k objective points. This is not too impressive as far as PVP world wide is concerned. But having been called a 'hacker' and supposedly reported by their whole team and 2 from my team, this causes concern. First off I would like to say that I am a Personal Trainer IRL so I don't even know how to hack nor would I know where to start. But the threat of being banned is a concern to me, when it would be for no reason whatsoever or due to everyone on the Server hating your guts. My Question is, what are the Hacks that are being talked about here and are currently being exploited in game update 3.2-3.3 so I can avoid being called out on this ****. And my second question would be, how is Bioware going around policing this issue or investigating? Last thing I want is to drop my favorite videogame because of some half-assed attempt at policing exploits. Originally, I didn't think that hacking existed in SWTOR (most likely due to my lack of knowledge of the base) because the only *********** input a user should have is through his gameplay window. If these are through add-ons, well **** BIO, remove the add-ons! Bottom line is I thought the engineers at Bioware would be more "close sourced" when developing their software and game engines. Also, I don't even think that DDoS'ing is even a thing in MMOs, thought it was only in FPS games. Either way if I could get a response from the community on my questions that would be awesome! Don't accuse people of hacking if you don't even know what the **** you are talking about! because it has repercussions, neither of which will help you get any better at a damn game! Being armed with knowledge is never a bad thing... As far as you being accused of hacking... Don't worry about it... If you weren't doing it, then they can report all they want, Bio won't ban you if you've done nothing wrong... and well done on playing so well 😃 That being said... It is real in the game and it doesn't take a computer programmer to do it... Mostly its done through a 3rd party program that someone has written and you make the changes to the game through it... There is one doing the rounds at the moment that allows speed hacking, teleporting, no skill activation time, no cool downs, stealth hack, range hack, trigger bot, wall hack... There are also settings in it that allow the user to adjust the percentage of the setting... ie for the speed hack you can adjust the increase in speed from 1-100%... Making it extremely hard to spot and report without getting it mixed up with a classes abilities... The hack developer promises that the software is "Fully Undetectable System with Regular Updates... Easy-to-Use User Interface Design"... I've sent the link to the Devs already... But obviously I can't link it or tell you what's it's called... There was a reported case of DDoSing in ranked only a month or so ago by some well known players and guild... It was so blatant that Bio even acknowledged it on the forums... Funny thing is I still see that player in game on a regular basis Think of cheating as an arms race... Bio close exploits or code that allow cheating or change the way they can detect it... A cheat developer finds new holes or adjusts their software to circumvent the detection systems Bio put in place... Bio might stop the cheating for a short time, but it doesn't take long for the cheats to find a work around... It comes down to how much time and money Bio want to spend finding and countering the cheats... It is easy to tell when Bio get ahead because for a short time those supposed pvp gods are some of the worst players in the game... One day they go from being unbeatable or very competive to being so bad the newest pvp people can roll them... Then the work around is implimented and they are competitive again over night... People who cheat are the worst players in the game... They will never get good because they rely solely on cheating to give them the appearance of being good... Bad players cheat... Good players laugh at them Lastly, Bio don't do themselves any favours... Their deterrent policy is terrible... If they actually catch someone they might give them a warning or a ban for up to a week... This is as much as they do... I know of people that have had this happen so many times it has become an ongoing joke for them... They need tougher penalties... But that being said, there is nothing stopping the cheater from starting another "free" account if they get caught... Welcome to the F2P system... Plus Bio rely too heavily on players to report the cheaters, while making the system of reporting so convoluted that people just don't bother... Especially when Legitimately reported cheats continue to play... Bio need some in game moderators to do some of their own policing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There's always been a movement hack - location is handled locally, not on the server, so this is technically possible - but BW slowly follow up and catch these. Then there are imaginary hacks - enemies not taking damage, doing insane damage, etc. Damage is handled server-side so this can't be hacked in any realistic scenario. This is the province of misunderstanding, where people don't know enough about PvP to say why they had their backsides soundly spanked, and blame it on hacks. Sounds like you played well enough for someone to pull the latter - badge of pride there. Having some opponent whine hacks when you beat them fair and square. Have fun. While I agree that there imaginary hacks and that a lot of things are done server side... The ability to use skills on a "no CD" and/or "no activation time" setting, allows the cheater to do a large amount of damage very quickly, making them look like their damage out put is too high... In reality each of those abilities still produces the same amount of damage with the hack off or on, but it is so quick it looks like they have increased the damage output per ability... As for the zero damage hack... Their isn't one of those either... But if the defensive abilities also have no CD or activation time, it will look like they take no damage... The server does the calculations on the damage per ability and defence... But the timing is done locally... You can also produce extremely fast skill activation through macros, but are unable to make them become zero activation time or no CD... Of course Bio have a system for detecting this which is why macro users need to put in delays... That doesn't mean it still doesn't make it easier for them... It does because they can spend more time on movement and situational awareness while not having to worry about key binding all those abilities... They can basically use 4 or 5 buttons.. Of course they are still bad players... But it gives them the appearance as competent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icykill_ Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I never thought I would be one to call hacks until I was in a ranked 4v4 this weekend with a teleporting sorc that could push back while in force barrier and continue the force barrier after the pushback. This same sorc teleported from the 2nd floor of the arena to the first floor by the spawn point. I had no server lag and my whole team saw this in real time speed. Windows 10 is out today/tomorrow and it comes with its own in built recording software for recording games etc... No longer will people need third party software to do this... It is expected there will be zero performance degradation as can happen from other third party software... When people start using Win 10 it will be a lot easier to record these incidence... I would expect more and more YouTube uploads as people realise they can easily do this... Also sending those recordings to Bio might start to help them get a handle on what is actually happening Edited July 29, 2015 by Icykill_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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