SikrouDeco Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I see this all day long when people are forming groups. I understand it and it has merit. Trouble is, having the best armor doesn't mean you have a clue about your class. Guilds run the ungeared through things all the time, and they end up with great gear and absolutely no clue as to how to use it. LOL Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCandyMan Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyleemily Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) ehhh dont you just equip it to use it ...?????? I mean are your groups say trying to build a house with armor drops o wait may they are trying to eat it....ahh ok I get it now..... Edited September 2, 2012 by kyleemily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_of_Mu Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm glad you got that off your chest. Are you feeling better? And yes, gear does not equal skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanjir Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 A lot of people who play this game have no clue about what they're doing, hence I only take pugs with gear so at least they have the potential to do proper damage even though most times they still don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vojinsa Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) A lot of people who play this game know what they're doing, hence I dont and only take pugs with gear so at least they can carry me and do proper damage even though i still don't. understood Edited September 3, 2012 by vojinsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaqen Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Please be geared, really means please have experience playing your class and experience in the raid we are about to attempt. There is no way of proving that you either of those two things besides showing that you have some gear from the raid. Yes, it doesnt mean the person with said gear is wroth their weight at all, but it increases your chances in a pug that they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanjir Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) understood Oh that's funny when i'm on top of 95% of damage meters i've ever been in. Trying to do EC HM with people who pull 1k or under dps is somewhat difficult. Only so much carrying can be done. This game isn't hard, but for some reason the easiest job that can be done (dps) people still get it wrong. Therefore, I only look for geared people with the hope that they know what they're doing. Seems to me like you either must be lucky enough to be on a server with people who can actually play, or you're another baddie surrounded by baddies giving you the illusion that you are doing it right. Edited September 3, 2012 by Kanjir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorroazul Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 You're trying to get into a group mainly to gear your toon, except that such group only picks the ones who're already geared. This is a pretty sad paradox in the game, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAgony Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 You're trying to get into a group mainly to gear your toon, except that such group only picks the ones who're already geared. This is a pretty sad paradox in the game, indeed. It's the same in EVERY MMO.... just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vojinsa Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 This game isn't hard, but for some reason the easiest job that can be done (dps) people still get it wrong. Seems to me like you are in a great guild with people who can actually play, and im stuck looking for geared people with the hope that they know what they're doing. did i touch a nerve? dont worry keep up those high standards lf members that out gear the content you are trying to finish. also out dps 95% of the same bad players you "carry" might wanna be kept quiet but w/e helps you post at nite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynis Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I hate when people are forming for a HM EV or KP, and I go to join on my sniper (2 Rakata, rest columi)...and they say I need more gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandicus Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I hate when people are forming for a HM EV or KP, and I go to join on my sniper (2 Rakata, rest columi)...and they say I need more gear. That does seem odd. Haven't run that in a while now(anything less than Nim can be pretty boring, SM EC at least has interesting mechanics), but it should be a walk in the park for columi, especially a sniper dps role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vojinsa Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I hate when people are forming for a HM EV or KP, and I go to join on my sniper (2 Rakata, rest columi)...and they say I need more gear. knife in an anti aircraft gun fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanjir Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 did i touch a nerve? dont worry keep up those high standards lf members that out gear the content you are trying to finish. also out dps 95% of the same bad players you "carry" might wanna be kept quiet but w/e helps you post at nite. I'm guessing you must be yet another incompetent kid, flogging around the same old "umad?" variations. No, you didn't touch a nerve, i'm just purely tired of having to find new people every night because the people we bring aren't capable of working with easy mechanics. If for some reason you actually do know how to play, good job, you're one of the 5% who can play an easy mmo properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDrachonus Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) "Be geared and know the fights" That's entirely a bunch of CRAP. Elitest Nazis use that sentence and all of it's variations. HOW can someone "be geared and know the fights" if they've NEVER been on the Op? Or Flashpoint? If you're looking for players that know what they're doing, odds are REALLY good you elitest meatheaded nazis are skipping by some fantastic players, simply because they've not been fortunate enough to have run the Op,/Flashpoint you're wanting to run. Give them a chance. Talking about DPS not being a difficult class to play..well, you're right. It isn't...provided the TANK knows how to do his or her job..yanno...TANK. In theory, DPS shouldn't take a single scratch unless it's from an AoE attack..if the TANK is as competent as people seem to think they are simply because they were fortunate enough to be taken through the Op enough times to get a full set of the gear. I'm not the best player out there, but I'm competent enough to know what my job is, and how to perform it in a group. I'm a Juggernaut DPS. Just the other night I got into a group gearing up for HM Karraggaa's Palace, the Op lead asked "Where's your offhand saber?" when I replied "what offhand?" he felt it was prudent to remove me from the group. Newsflash: Juggernauts do NOT get an offhand saber. And just because a character is a Juggernaut, doesn't automatically place them in a TANK role. Yes, I got angry. I had every right to be angry, I have full Battle Master gear (slightly modified), and it's served me well in a lot of situations including against Elite and Champion MoBs. We were standing at the entrance to the instance, and because some meat head didn't know anything about my class, *I* got punished for it. So for all you Elitest Nazis out there, keep turning down the players that're probably the best ones out there. Next time you need another one to fill a group, you might just get told to get bent because of "Be geared and know the fights!" Edited September 3, 2012 by DarthDrachonus Additional information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanjir Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) For anything other then EC HM, I don't care who comes. I'm happy explaining fights and getting people gear - I do it every week. However what I don't want is under-geared people, or players who haven't completed story mode EC to be asking to join a HM EC group. It's not because it's a hard op, it's because most people aren't up to par with what they need to do in regard to mechanics and forfilling their role in the group. Our group lost our ranged dps, and a tank. I've been tanking when I normally DPS because of this and I would say we are very lucky to find a decent pug dps. Hence the requirement that you're geared and at least know SM. There comes a point where gear is necessary to help boost the dps that people bring to a fight because otherwise it simply isn't high enough. Also, in response to the above post, there are plenty of situations where dps will take damage from environmental damage/aoe's/mechanics where you simply can't avoid it, however depending on the fight there are ways that a smart dps can avoid damage. Edited September 3, 2012 by Kanjir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael_Peres Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Well dude. Ops are a dps race. And be geared means at least Columi that drops on all flashpoints hardmodes. You know, it's ridiculous someone thinking can run a hardmode operation in tionese gear (not augmented) and think that will be useful for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubed_Art Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) "Be geared and know the fights" That's entirely a bunch of CRAP. Blah Blah Blah Elitest Nazis Blah Blah Blah I'd have booted you just for having battlemaster gear on. Your contempt for tanks tells me everything I need to know about how little you know. If you think DPS is never responsible for pulling agro, you are not someone I would want to take on an Operation. You can be a good player in crap gear and that can only take you so far, and if I'm looking to fill out a PUG, sorry, I'll take the geared person over the non-geared person any day, unless I know them., or they come highly recommended. It's a matter of risk management. I don't want to waste my time wiping all night just to see if you can hack it. You can thank BioWare for dis-including DPS meters (because of people like you) so I have no meaningful metric by which I can judge your skill based on your gear. I've run across my share of players who are geared who stink, but as someone said, a well geared person of minor skill will probably still out dps a great player who is under geared. Edited September 3, 2012 by Cubed_Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidacid Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) real men do HM FPs and OPs naked.... Edited September 3, 2012 by Liquidacid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetronin Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 real men do HM FPs and OPs naked.... lol, I like that. But yeah, if you are filling a last spot for a guild, Ofc we will take the geared peep first unless we know you or you can give us a reason why. The Geared peep probably has more experience, will make the run easier, and is less lily to take gear a guildie needs (last point is top on my mind as raid lead and guild lead). I dont have to take pugs often but if I do I need to know they can handle it. However, if you come to me on a less geared character and give me your experience and are happy to jump on comms and all that jaz, I will take you over my UBBERl33t gear who wont come on comm's, gets annoyed when I ask about experience and thinks he is entitled to come because he is him every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Oh that's funny when i'm on top of 95% of damage meters i've ever been in. Seems to me like you either must be lucky enough to be on a server with people who can actually play, or you're another baddie surrounded by baddies giving you the illusion that you are doing it right. This made me smile 95% of nothing is still nothing sorry, but your self proclaimed godlike ability counts for little in my groups because your damage meter means nowt if you lack the skills and experience to understand it or manage it.... like the awesomesauce DPS dude who runs round pew pewing like a headless Bantha.. DPS only gets you so far... you cant DPS when your dead!... Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 You're trying to get into a group mainly to gear your toon, except that such group only picks the ones who're already geared. This is a pretty sad paradox in the game, indeed. Indeed. I actually just makes me laugh. It's the same in EVERY MMO.... just sayin'. Which is why I don't play those games. It's just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I see this all day long when people are forming groups. I understand it and it has merit. Trouble is, having the best armor doesn't mean you have a clue about your class. Guilds run the ungeared through things all the time, and they end up with great gear and absolutely no clue as to how to use it. LOL Just sayin... Met a DPS Guardian like this the other day. I was on my Vanguard tank. "He asks how are you supposed to tank?" I asked "What?" He responds, "I heard that Vanguard tanks suck." I asked him how he got all of that gear and had never run into a Vanguard tank. He admitted that his guild allows him to tag along on things. We get into the flashpoint and the guy (since he is a Guardian) keeps firing off his AOE taunt and then complaining about the damage that he was taking and talks about how he knew that Vanguards could not tank. He was vote-kicked and ignored. I won't have to suffer him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Gear ruins MMOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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