PvP Gear

[whatthefett]

So as a fresh 50 thats been keeping up on my gear through leveling I ran into a problem once I started PvP in the 50's bracket. I looked at the recruit gear and held off on buying it as all of my primary stats would decrease, but expertise would increase as well as accuracy, power, etc.. I know expertise is what you want to up in PvP, but some of the drops in my Str/End were 20+ points, is that too much to sacrifice for 70 points in expertise per piece? I've gotten a few BM pieces, but I'm still not clear on what stats I should focus on at this point. As a JK Sent I know I want accuracy, expertise and such but what should I be looking for as far as a cap to strength and endurance? Should I always go for more expertise?

 

And one last thought since everyone is piling on me. As you said, you have a few poieces of BM gear and the required stats will come along by virtue of the new gear. There is zero reason to add recruit gear at this point. It wont get you anything (negligible and wont make you more successful). Keep building the BM and add some custom orange gear to replace that with augments. You wont have the recruit gear long enough to care anayway. BM comes fast so dont worry.

[kjfett]

And one last thought since everyone is piling on me.

 

There is a reason for that....

 

because you are.

 

new 50s must get recruit armor for the expertise. Now that said, I have an orange, augmented chestplate that I wear. I ripped out the BM mods and added them with a purple lvl50 augment to boost the chestplate up and over a BM chestplate over the counter....cost me the purchase of the BM chestplate and about 250K in a good chestplare and mod strips.. Ican do that though as I have the BM mods to put in the orange gear, no newbie lvl50 is going to be doing a full suit of that since it would cost close to 1.5 million and require a full suit of BM.

 

The extra stats from augments do not make up for the lack of expertise provided by recruit gear. period.

[flem]

A new 50's willingness or refusal to buy recruit gear -- after, say, having its necessity explained to him by a bunch of WH-clad Conquerors on his team -- is a pretty good indicator of whether he's willing to learn and adapt to all the other aspects of skilled PvP -- and become a contributor -- or whether he erroneously thinks he already knows everything and will be a useless drag forever.

 

Buy it.

Edited May 21, 2012 by flem

[Rassuro]

Modded custom gear is better than recruit. That is why everyone has modded custom gear after war hero. Duh. The mods can be gotten through dailies. Google "swtor recruit gear vs custom" and you will find a hundred articles on it. People respondingin this post have had better gear for so long they don't remember what it is to think outside the box. Recruit gear is for jumping in cold, but you should already have full custom oranges by 50. The adjustment to mods is minor and better. But do what you think is best and look at all the fools with recruit gear failing.

:facepalm:

 

Normally I'd just have thought that you were joking, but since you seem to be persistent on this point:

The reason why you see a lot of articles about people going from WH to augmented custom gear is because they transfer the PvP mods to the custom gear, and add a PvE augment. This is the way to get the best PvP gear in the game currently.

 

No one is seriously saying that a fresh 50 should use augmented custom gear in place of recruit gear. There is no way that you as a fresh 50 would get the stats to make up for the loss in expertise.

[WillyWampa]

I suspect you are one of those guys that nevers leaves Fleet so Ill offer two things that are simple. Look to the right of where you are standing. There is a weapons vendor. He has all orange moddable weapons with...wait for it...Mods in them!

 

Mods make the custom gear. The gear is irreleavant but I am sure you know that.

 

Ill also clue you in on one other fact but this will blow your mind, but I am not telling you anything more because you will abuse it. Custom gear comes with...wait for it...augment slots! There are augments that are craftable for any stat you want, including...Expertise! Yay!

 

And guess what? 5 pieces of custom orange gear with 5 extra slots is...wait for it...better than welfare gear...yay!

 

Why do you think it is that Recruit Gear is purchasable with credits? Because anyone can get it with zero effort and it is...wait for it...terrible!

 

I cant take any more time to lay out how to build a custom set, because I did it and it was better than RG. I dont want you to think it through. I want to faceroll you in your welfare RG. Enjoy.

 

1) what crafter makes augments with expertese ? I have never seen one.

2) 5 crit crafted orange items would be? I am guessing head,chest,legs and...a second hat and an extra pair of pants? Curently the readily available crit craft oranges for gloves and boots are (drum roll pealse) ...

 

Crafted battlemaster and war hero sets!! they require valor rank 60 and 70 to equip.

 

So if you have valor rank 60-70 you have PvPed quite a bit and therefore have a suit of battlemaster gear and thus don't wear recruit gear.

 

So lets move past all that and assume that a new level 50 who has no expertese gear needs some expertese.

 

1) The can not get 5 pieces of crit crafted orange gear because belts and wrists don't exist as crit crafts and boots and gloves are crafted BM or WH gear and require valor rank 60+.(I have never seen a crit crafted orange gloves or boots that were not BM or WH)

 

2) I have never seen an augment with expertese ever.So let's assume these exist but are like super duper rare how much will those babies cost? Essentially expertese augments are not available so not an option.Even if they were readily available they would be what? +18 expertese? so +90 for 5 augments...wow 90 expertese KILLA!

 

3) So we have a fresh 50 who can have 3 crit crafted orange items with zero expertese or they can buy the recruit set and not be a speedbump while they climb the ladder into BM gear.

 

P.S. I do have a full set of crit crafted orange gear including 2 pistols these are filled with BM mods(1258 expertese) and being tweaked with WH as I aquire them.The only drawback to this is loosing the item set bonuses I feel it's more than offset by having 7 augments instead.But I started with a recruit set as a fresh 50.

Edited May 21, 2012 by WillyWampa

[whatthefett]

1) what crafter makes augments with expertese ? I have never seen one.

2) 5 crit crafted orange items would be? I am guessing head,chest,legs and...a second hat and an extra pair of pants? Curently the readily available crit craft oranges for gloves and boots are (drum roll pealse) ...

 

Crafted battlemaster and war hero sets!! they require valor rank 60 and 70 to equip.

 

So if you have valor rank 60-70 you have PvPed quite a bit and therefore have a suit of battlemaster gear and thus don't wear recruit gear.

 

So lets move past all that and assume that a new level 50 who has no expertese gear needs some expertese.

 

1) The can not get 5 pieces of crit crafted orange gear because belts and wrists don't exist as crit crafts and boots and gloves are crafted BM or WH gear and require valor rank 60+.(I have never seen a crit crafted orange gloves or boots that were not BM or WH)

 

2) I have never seen an augment with expertese ever.So let's assume these exist but are like super duper rare how much will those babies cost? Essentially expertese augments are not available so not an option.Even if they were readily available they would be what? +18 expertese? so +90 for 5 augments...wow 90 expertese KILLA!

 

3) So we have a fresh 50 who can have 3 crit crafted orange items with zero expertese or they can buy the recruit set and not be a speedbump while they climb the ladder into BM gear.

 

P.S. I do have a full set of crit crafted orange gear including 2 pistols these are filled with BM mods(1258 expertese) and being tweaked with WH as I aquire them.The only drawback to this is loosing the item set bonuses I feel it's more than offset by having 7 augments instead.But I started with a recruit set as a fresh 50.

 

I guess you just flame instead of reading. He already said he has some BM gear already. There are five potential set pieces that make up any set bonus. Actually you can also buy an augmented belt too, but not for the set bonus. Maybe no one crafts on your server. I see tons of them. And many people argue the set bonus isn't all that (although I do like it).

 

You can go to an Ask Mr Robot and see all the crafted gear, including augments for expertise. You can get (unless they removed it due to RG) orange pieces filled with pvp stats starting at level 45 if you progressed properly in game. Of course all the elitists racing to 50 and not actually playing the game don't notice this. Plus endurance is very important and the dailies have tons of mods for it.

 

So, as you admitted, they can get two weapons out of the gate from the vendor I mentioned, he has some BM already, and there is a veritable mod shopping center next to the pvp terminal. Thanks for admitting to some extent I was right. And expertise isn't everything. Hello, I wouldn't augment for expertise. Ever.

 

Unless you're running around into 50 in all greens with no understanding of progression, the suggestion that buying full RG and jumping in is ridiculous. To suggest it given where it seems this guy is is also ridiculous. He can have BM in a week and be ahead without spending a credit. It's that simple.

 

Well, flame away I'm done. Some people just want to argue instead of look around, experiment, and think a little. This guy can take what he has and set himself up really good and now he is going to have a bunch of useless RG, given his scenario.

[L-RANDLE]

I don't disagree with anything you said, but don't get high on recruit gear. You would be better off coming in with orange moddables with bonus augments. C'mon.

 

Agreed...

[L-RANDLE]

:facepalm:

 

Normally I'd just have thought that you were joking, but since you seem to be persistent on this point:

The reason why you see a lot of articles about people going from WH to augmented custom gear is because they transfer the PvP mods to the custom gear, and add a PvE augment. This is the way to get the best PvP gear in the game currently.

 

No one is seriously saying that a fresh 50 should use augmented custom gear in place of recruit gear. There is no way that you as a fresh 50 would get the stats to make up for the loss in expertise.

 

LOL try again.... So many people have lost their perspective on this, or never did dailies to get the pieces they need.

 

Recruit Gear:

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/ddd72a49-1498-414c-83b1-fdaccb8effa2

Oranges with epics: All mods/armor/enh provided by dailies.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/79e226c3-f042-441d-818a-5fb24469272d

 

They could be considered even, but since WZ medpacks are based on MAX HP then the oranges come out ahead.

 

Recruit= Aug-Oranges with 50 epics/tio/xeno/engergized

BM=RAK

WH=CAMP

 

Follow the link on my sig line if you have doubts...

Edited May 21, 2012 by L-RANDLE

[whatthefett]

One more thing for the OP before he runs around naked. For the current BM gear you have RUN to the GTN and buy the augmented BM gear to replace it NOW! You can not only have your last set of gear (it is all about the things you put in it, not the gear itself) but you get the augment bonus now. If you got three BM already, the bonus already is incredible. Use the augment slots for surge before you do anything.

 

Even though you will have to grind to WH gear all you are after are the mods. The gear is just a useless shell. Also, don't throw away any shells, BM or WH. You will need to trade in the BM shell for the WH gear and eventually you will likely need the WH shell as well.

 

Also, make sure any BM mods go into the exact augmented BM piece you buy and do this as a practice. Otherwise you will see your set bonus destroyed and it will be a mess. For items not part of the set bonus, scour for orange gear you like and start building it out.

[Ergecrs]

One more thing for the OP before he runs around naked. For the current BM gear you have RUN to the GTN and buy the augmented BM gear to replace it NOW! You can not only have your last set of gear (it is all about the things you put in it, not the gear itself) but you get the augment bonus now. If you got three BM already, the bonus already is incredible. Use the augment slots for surge before you do anything.

 

Even though you will have to grind to WH gear all you are after are the mods. The gear is just a useless shell. Also, don't throw away any shells, BM or WH. You will need to trade in the BM shell for the WH gear and eventually you will likely need the WH shell as well.

 

Also, make sure any BM mods go into the exact augmented BM piece you buy and do this as a practice. Otherwise you will see your set bonus destroyed and it will be a mess. For items not part of the set bonus, scour for orange gear you like and start building it out.

 

wait so you can't pull a piece of War Hero force mystic arormor and stats out and put them in a War Hero Stalker augmented set and get the set bonus ?

[Krashnburn]

You must be on a pretty bad pvp server. Before recruit gear that is exactly how you would enter wz's and the only difference in recruit gear is the endurance which pertains to survivability, so again the damage reports are irrelevant - you would do more damage with oranges, if that was the goal of pvp. I love that everyone trolls how many medals they got and how much damage and they always lose. As if damage meant anythIng significant. I got guys with 91 kills and top damage and we lose Hutball 6-0. Kudos.

 

Have you compared the stats pre and post 1.2?

 

Expertise is much more important to have as a fresh 50 then it was. Recruit gear is not great but it gives you around 900 expertise. And believe me you NEED that expertise for WZs. Expertise not only reduces damage taken from a player it increase your damage to a player. Player being the key word here. Expertise is NOT a defensive stat. It is a PvP stat. It ONLY effects damage to and from other players. It has no effect in PvE.

 

BW did this intentionally. They want you to use PvP gear for PvP and PvE for PvE. It means more play time and more money for them. They say they do it so you have to participate in PvE or PvP content to get BIS for that activity. Before 1.2 some PvP gear was an upgrade when using it for PvE and some PvE gear in PvP. In fact BIS for PvP was a hybrid mix of both before 1.2.

 

If you don't want to be face-rolled in 2 seconds get your recruit set before entering a WZ. You are not doing your teammates any favors either if you don't. And they will tell you about it. Might even leave the WZ.

Edited May 21, 2012 by Krashnburn
NUNYA

[RefugeASSASSIN]

LOL try again.... So many people have lost their perspective on this, or never did dailies to get the pieces they need.

 

Recruit Gear:

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/ddd72a49-1498-414c-83b1-fdaccb8effa2

Oranges with epics: All mods/armor/enh provided by dailies.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/79e226c3-f042-441d-818a-5fb24469272d

 

They could be considered even, but since WZ medpacks are based on MAX HP then the oranges come out ahead.

 

Recruit= Aug-Oranges with 50 epics/tio/xeno/engergized

BM=RAK

WH=CAMP

 

Follow the link on my sig line if you have doubts...

 

So your basing the comparison of the 2 on WZ Medpacks? If you are trying to grind up for Battlemaster or WH gear, why are you even bothering spending Comm's on these, even if they are only 10 Comm's a piece? I have hit guys with Recurit gear and ive hit guys without it and I can tell you that it does take longer to kill someone in recuit gear. Your extra 2k HP doesnt mean anything when Im getting a 20% bonus on damage towards you. The TTK is insanely short, why would you purposely gimp yourself even further?

[LarryRow]

I am simply flabbergasted that this issue is being "debated." Look, the extra stats from your fancy oranges might balance out the extra damage from expertise or the mitigation from expertise but not both! You will be doing less damage and taking more damage and you will lose.

 

Buy the recruit set, thank Bioware you will be out of it shortly, and go kick some butt.

[Krashnburn]

wait so you can't pull a piece of War Hero force mystic arormor and stats out and put them in a War Hero Stalker augmented set and get the set bonus ?

 

The set bonus is tied to the armoring mod. You can swap the other mods to play with the stats though.

[flem]

There are augments that are craftable for any stat you want, including...Expertise!

Dead wrong, of course. Every anti-recruit argument is based on misconceptions like this one.

[dcgregorya]

Yeah you got me. Keep standing there in recruit gear against BM and WH mixes. Lol.

 

Recruit gear compared to battlemaster gear is *BAD*. That being said, it's better than nothing. I've wrecked people in recruit gear (250k+ damage WZ as a scrapper scoundrel) but I sure had to work for it and I probably died about 15 times that match.

[ShadowOfVey]

Recruit gear is enough to tide you over while you buy the cheap BM gear, which is good enough.

 

Even if you go out there and just straight up lose for a few hours, that's enough to then go buy a BM item. Mix in the daily and I'm sorry, it just isn't much of a grind for BM gear.

 

And you aren't going to always lose either.

[Ergecrs]

The set bonus is tied to the armoring mod. You can swap the other mods to play with the stats though.

 

You are wrong. You can pull any armoring mod out and put it in any shell. You can have a set bonus of Force Mystic in the Stalker Looking gear.

[L-RANDLE]

Have you compared the stats pre and post 1.2?

 

Expertise is much more important to have as a fresh 50 then it was. Recruit gear is not great but it gives you around 900 expertise. And believe me you NEED that expertise for WZs. Expertise not only reduces damage taken from a player it increase your damage to a player. Player being the key word here. Expertise is NOT a defensive stat. It is a PvP stat. It ONLY effects damage to and from other players. It has no effect in PvE.

 

BW did this intentionally. They want you to use PvP gear for PvP and PvE for PvE. It means more play time and more money for them. They say they do it so you have to participate in PvE or PvP content to get BIS for that activity. Before 1.2 some PvP gear was an upgrade when using it for PvE and some PvE gear in PvP. In fact BIS for PvP was a hybrid mix of both before 1.2.

 

If you don't want to be face-rolled in 2 seconds get your recruit set before entering a WZ. You are not doing your teammates any favors either if you don't. And they will tell you about it. Might even leave the WZ.

 

You will get faceroIled just as easily in recruit gear. I looked at the numbers, the "buff" brought expertise more in line on a tier for tier level. BW buffed it because it was a nerf compared to the PvE equiv. I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people.

+EXP DAMAGE/HEAL BONUS= -DAMAGE/HEAL BONUS, -CRIT

+EXP MITI= -HP

 

You also gain less from player buffs like knight/warrior, cons/iquis, Trooper/BH. Unless you are moving to another tier, PvP gear is about even.

[cycao]

You are wrong. You can pull any armoring mod out and put it in any shell. You can have a set bonus of Force Mystic in the Stalker Looking gear.

 

You are so wrong. Only war hero gear and the new pve gear has the set bonus in the armoring. BM's set bonus is in the shell.

[Ergecrs]

You will get faceroIled just as easily in recruit gear. I looked at the numbers, the "buff" brought expertise more in line on a tier for tier level. BW buffed it because it was a nerf compared to the PvE equiv. I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people.

+EXP DAMAGE/HEAL BONUS= -DAMAGE/HEAL BONUS, -CRIT

+EXP MITI= -HP

 

You also gain less from player buffs like knight/warrior, cons/iquis, Trooper/BH. Unless you are moving to another tier, PvP gear is about even.

 

I can tell you from a healers prospective that players that come in with orange gear compared to recruit drop alot faster. That is strictly from watching health bars all match long.

[Ergecrs]

You are so wrong. Only war hero gear and the new pve gear has the set bonus in the armoring. BM's set bonus is in the shell.

 

I specificly said War Hero gear in my first question. You replied saying no you can not do it. You are wrong in the fact you can take any War Hero piece and put it in any other war her piece does not need to be the same type of set just the same armor piece not the exact same set in your original post. I have a 4 piece Force mystic set bonus in War Hero Stalker gear.

[L-RANDLE]

I can tell you from a healers prospective that players that come in with orange gear compared to recruit drop alot faster. That is strictly from watching health bars all match long.

 

But this can't be added as validation because you are adding player skills to the equation. The recruit geared player could simple be "better". It also is not taking class into consideration.

[adam_wan]

LOL try again.... So many people have lost their perspective on this, or never did dailies to get the pieces they need.

 

Recruit Gear:

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/ddd72a49-1498-414c-83b1-fdaccb8effa2

Oranges with epics: All mods/armor/enh provided by dailies.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/79e226c3-f042-441d-818a-5fb24469272d

 

They could be considered even, but since WZ medpacks are based on MAX HP then the oranges come out ahead.

 

Recruit= Aug-Oranges with 50 epics/tio/xeno/engergized

BM=RAK

WH=CAMP

 

Follow the link on my sig line if you have doubts...

 

NO, they arent even. I will gladly fight a whole team geared in rakata in pvp. Please, bring it on. Im sick of hard pvp battles. I have a 22% damage increase, 19 damage reduction and 16 or so healing bonus. Go ahead and do your cute little dailies on belsavis and then get wrecked by my seer sage every single time.

[CyclopicWarrior]

LOL! I made the OP a few days ago and really wasnt expecting all the activity, thanks for the info and insight fellas! I put aside all my orange gear for PVE, which I've been keeping up to date with fresh mods and purchased all the recruit gear I needed to fill the empty slots. I've since gotten full BM, except the chest and headpiece and I'm glad I did get the recruit gear as I DID notice a difference once I went that route. Expertise builds up alot faster than I thought it would and Im sitting at just under 1K and after a few more WZ's I'll have a full BM set then the WZ grind for the War Hero set will commence. Again, I appreciate all the insight into the subject and now all I need is some decent schooling on PvP seeing as I cant blame it on the gear anymore....