This.

If i get to throw an Ewok I'll pay double.

Mixed gear sets. People coming on board against near full WH will struggle. Plus WH with augments. Until they get caught up, but then there will probably be another set available to the WH crowd and the divide will continue. Those little things can add up.

We are under powered. Boost maras!

Common sense to me. Anyone could report this. If you can't see the fundamental truth in these statements you must be sitting on the fleet right now, dreaming of a queue.

There is no "objective" criteria. I don't get credit on my Mara ever time I predate the ball carrier in. Or mezz five opponents on the goal line. The medals are just stats, at best and don't reflect team play. If my team doesn't work together, I don't vote. That is my vote.

You put a lot of thought into this and it's great and insightful. I just want to pvp. I don't want to need a degree to play it. I'm a dummy. Even with pve there are already multiple vendors for each level and each one needs a certain thing to get it and sometimes you need more than one thing. Crafting is already so ganked up I don't know what schematics are where and make what any more. Gear needs to be fundamentally simple. The simpler the better. Hell, get rid of pvp gear altogether. Or just make one set of gear that is customizable however you want with one vendor that has every accessory sorted by class. To do anything in this game it's becoming work and it's tedious. The more complex it is the more problems there are. Let's get back to basics.

As long as I get a chance to see the flashpoint and operation content Ill be happy. It's so hard to find groups on low pop servers. I haven't seen 75% of the group content yet.

I set this up and struggle with it too. It's ridiculous for something so simple.

The point got missed. No one is saying wear pve gear. That was the design of making recruit gear. (although some pve pieces are better in pvp still).

You are 100% correct, just not for this scenario. That plays out for what it was intended for: new people who have no idea what pvp is, want to try it, and can get in fast. And they still take a beating, just a little less of it. People, BM gear is damn near free. I see these poor fellows come in in all RG all the time and they can't do a thing. The real issue is that Bioware wants to expand the pvp base but didn't acknowledge a entire community that already has WH that is so far above it makes RG meaningless. Go buy a set of RG right now and go hit a guy with WH. He will stand there and laugh then 2 shot you. Explain the value of your purchase in that scenario? People want it to be right and work that way,but it's broken. RG doesn't stand up at all.

One more thing for the OP before he runs around naked. For the current BM gear you have RUN to the GTN and buy the augmented BM gear to replace it NOW! You can not only have your last set of gear (it is all about the things you put in it, not the gear itself) but you get the augment bonus now. If you got three BM already, the bonus already is incredible. Use the augment slots for surge before you do anything. Even though you will have to grind to WH gear all you are after are the mods. The gear is just a useless shell. Also, don't throw away any shells, BM or WH. You will need to trade in the BM shell for the WH gear and eventually you will likely need the WH shell as well. Also, make sure any BM mods go into the exact augmented BM piece you buy and do this as a practice. Otherwise you will see your set bonus destroyed and it will be a mess. For items not part of the set bonus, scour for orange gear you like and start building it out.

I guess you just flame instead of reading. He already said he has some BM gear already. There are five potential set pieces that make up any set bonus. Actually you can also buy an augmented belt too, but not for the set bonus. Maybe no one crafts on your server. I see tons of them. And many people argue the set bonus isn't all that (although I do like it). You can go to an Ask Mr Robot and see all the crafted gear, including augments for expertise. You can get (unless they removed it due to RG) orange pieces filled with pvp stats starting at level 45 if you progressed properly in game. Of course all the elitists racing to 50 and not actually playing the game don't notice this. Plus endurance is very important and the dailies have tons of mods for it. So, as you admitted, they can get two weapons out of the gate from the vendor I mentioned, he has some BM already, and there is a veritable mod shopping center next to the pvp terminal. Thanks for admitting to some extent I was right. And expertise isn't everything. Hello, I wouldn't augment for expertise. Ever. Unless you're running around into 50 in all greens with no understanding of progression, the suggestion that buying full RG and jumping in is ridiculous. To suggest it given where it seems this guy is is also ridiculous. He can have BM in a week and be ahead without spending a credit. It's that simple. Well, flame away I'm done. Some people just want to argue instead of look around, experiment, and think a little. This guy can take what he has and set himself up really good and now he is going to have a bunch of useless RG, given his scenario.

And one last thought since everyone is piling on me. As you said, you have a few poieces of BM gear and the required stats will come along by virtue of the new gear. There is zero reason to add recruit gear at this point. It wont get you anything (negligible and wont make you more successful). Keep building the BM and add some custom orange gear to replace that with augments. You wont have the recruit gear long enough to care anayway. BM comes fast so dont worry.

Everyone wearing recruit gear in a warzone today disputes this claim because you cant create damage or negate it when youre dead and standing in a penalty box. Again, insofar as workign towards BM gear, recuit gear is a nice package, but useless in todays BM/WH environment. Not to say that recruit gear players cant contribute- there are great players in that base- they just got screwed in gear and have to work a lot harder.

I suspect you are one of those guys that nevers leaves Fleet so Ill offer two things that are simple. Look to the right of where you are standing. There is a weapons vendor. He has all orange moddable weapons with...wait for it...Mods in them! Mods make the custom gear. The gear is irreleavant but I am sure you know that. Ill also clue you in on one other fact but this will blow your mind, but I am not telling you anything more because you will abuse it. Custom gear comes with...wait for it...augment slots! There are augments that are craftable for any stat you want, including...Expertise! Yay! And guess what? 5 pieces of custom orange gear with 5 extra slots is...wait for it...better than welfare gear...yay! Why do you think it is that Recruit Gear is purchasable with credits? Because anyone can get it with zero effort and it is...wait for it...terrible! I cant take any more time to lay out how to build a custom set, because I did it and it was better than RG. I dont want you to think it through. I want to faceroll you in your welfare RG. Enjoy.

Thanks! I didn't mention that I had Bioware analyze all my files, logs, hardware and connection and the conclusion was that it should be working perfectly, yet wasn't. They also asked me to make many changes like not running anything in the background, running in XP mode, running as admin, and on and on but the thing that got them is I was already doing that. I know there are people with issues due to hardware and location, etc, but there are people with super systems that shouldn't have trouble and do. Knowing this can help those that are having problems and nothing is working. I was a software developer and I am very familiar with my set up, what should work, and where the issues are. I hope your links help someone else.

No brainer...fraud.

Jeezus...just when you thought it couldn't get worse.

The only thing I hate about multi-level landscapes is I can never figure out where anything is. I know there are some "gray" cues like a lower road will be gray and a higher road will be solid, but it's hard to tell where the levels change and converge. Coruscant gives me a headache I swear. So if they do more of it I hope they consider the navigation a little so it makes better sense.

Meaningless. Maybe they had greens at first and any improvement was great. Maybe the other team really blew or also had recruit. No recruit team can even damage a BM team. Period. The recruit gear sucks.

Modded custom gear is better than recruit. That is why everyone has modded custom gear after war hero. Duh. The mods can be gotten through dailies. Google "swtor recruit gear vs custom" and you will find a hundred articles on it. People respondingin this post have had better gear for so long they don't remember what it is to think outside the box. Recruit gear is for jumping in cold, but you should already have full custom oranges by 50. The adjustment to mods is minor and better. But do what you think is best and look at all the fools with recruit gear failing.

Yeah you got me. Keep standing there in recruit gear against BM and WH mixes. Lol.

You must be on a pretty bad pvp server. Before recruit gear that is exactly how you would enter wz's and the only difference in recruit gear is the endurance which pertains to survivability, so again the damage reports are irrelevant - you would do more damage with oranges, if that was the goal of pvp. I love that everyone trolls how many medals they got and how much damage and they always lose. As if damage meant anythIng significant. I got guys with 91 kills and top damage and we lose Hutball 6-0. Kudos.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but don't get high on recruit gear. You would be better off coming in with orange moddables with bonus augments. C'mon.