Numbers dont lie.......

[Cerion]

EA investors have made a mint over the past decade, don't kid yourself.

 

They know exactly how much they're making, and frankly, they don't give a crap about us because they don't need to. We're just the end users - stats which allow them to adjust their respective anticipated earnings.

 

If SWTOR sinks, who cares? New Madden comes out soon.

 

True enough...I rather meant the analysts and pundits, not the investors themselves. A mistaken choice of words.

[AeSaar]

Your Right

 

EA's The Old Republic Sees Sharp Drop In Subscribers -Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/08/eas-the-old-republic-sees-sharp-drop-in-subscribers/)

 

EA loses Star Wars users, shares tumble – Chicago Tribune (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-electronicarts-idUSBRE84610420120508)

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic's subscriber numbers fall -BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17989756)

 

Last Call: Electronic Arts, Star Wars and a disturbance in the Force -CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47331114)

 

Electronic Arts's cuts to cost 40 million -San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/08/BUBJ1OEMM1.DTL)

 

Electronic Arts Drops as Forecast Misses Analyst’s Views -Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-08/electronic-arts-drops-as-forecasts-misses-analysts-views.html)

 

All Hacks..bloomberg, cnbc, bbc...All Hacks

 

All Of Them

 

I Swear Some Of You Live In A Constant State Of Denial

[Darth_Alki]

And after reading that, you honestly think these non-gamer investors have any idea what's really happening? They claim that EA is losing money on a Star Wars title when that is an utter fabrication. As of the financial report, SWTOR had 1.3 million subs. That's STILL highly profitable, even with the decline. These 'reports' you're quoting only proves that these so-called experts really aren't that knowledgeable of the sector. They're a bunch of blue-haired old dudes pretending they know what's happening in a young person's world.

 

Interesting concept you have there.

 

Here's the thing ... I held a decent amount of EA shares in November and sold right around time for launch. I pocketed almost $4000.00. Shortly after launch, the share value dropped and continued dropping. Had I waited until today to sell, I'd have lost $300.00 on the investment.

 

So before you start slinging senseless accusations about "blue-haired old dudes" that "aren't that knowledgeable of the sector," think again. Not only do I not have "blue-hair" and I'm not old (close, but not quite there), but I'm also a consumer of this product ... along with being an investor. This game has had a pretty big impact on the share value of EA as a whole. As an investor, it's clearer than a brand new windshield in an Enzo Ferrari. By all means, continue on with your stereotyping ... it's quite entertaining.

 

/popcorn

Edited May 16, 2012 by Darth_Alki

[Codek]

I really wouldn't look to far into any of this. Asking stock investors about the ways of the video game market is like asking the patent office about what defies certain software as legal property. These people have no idea what is going on! Plus, they are all still completely paranoid of any little piece of negative information ever since the Enron scandal years ago.

[Blistrich]

Also there are bigger fish than EA.

EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo, SEGA and Konami are the 5 largest game companies on earth (based purely on total development quantity), and it is easy to predict EA's dominance. All you have to do is watch their earnings grow as they acquire more and more studios and tear them down so that they can be absorbed into the EA infrastructure.

 

A minor stock downturn is meaningless. All company stocks are down, most for the past 2 years.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Blistrich

[Cerion]

Interesting concept you have there.

 

Here's the thing ... I held a decent amount of EA shares in November and sold right around time for launch. I pocketed almost $4000.00. Shortly after launch, the share value dropped and continued dropping. Had I waited until today to sell, I'd have lost $300.00 on the investment.

 

So before you start slinging senseless accusations about "blue-haired old dudes" that "aren't that knowledgeable of the sector," think again. Not only do I not have "blue-hair" and I'm not old (close, but not quite there), but I'm also a consumer of this product ... along with being an investor. This game has had a pretty big impact on the share value of EA as a whole. As an investor, it's clearer than a brand new windshield in a Enzo Ferrari. By all means, continue on with your stereotyping ... it's quite entertaining.

 

/popcorn

 

I've already corrected myself. I meant the blue-haired old financial advisors and pundits who really have little knowledge of this sector right now. The talking heads who look good only in 20/20 hindsight.

[Andryah]

Your Right

 

EA's The Old Republic Sees Sharp Drop In Subscribers -Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/08/eas-the-old-republic-sees-sharp-drop-in-subscribers/)

 

EA loses Star Wars users, shares tumble – Chicago Tribune (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-electronicarts-idUSBRE84610420120508)

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic's subscriber numbers fall -BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17989756)

 

Last Call: Electronic Arts, Star Wars and a disturbance in the Force -CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47331114)

 

Electronic Arts's cuts to cost 40 million -San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/08/BUBJ1OEMM1.DTL)

 

Electronic Arts Drops as Forecast Misses Analyst’s Views -Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-08/electronic-arts-drops-as-forecasts-misses-analysts-views.html)

 

All Hacks..bloomberg, cnbc, bbc...All Hacks

 

All Of Them

 

I Swear Some Of You Live In A Constant State Of Denial

 

You don't actually invest in stocks do you? If you did, you would know that everything posted in these editorials (and yes my friend they are editorials, financial editorials) are opinion, often opinion guided by squeaks and beeps behind the scenes designed to churn stock trades by creating drama. Kind of like the forum here actually, in some ways.

 

That said, very little in any of the above links actually attributes anything specifically to SWTOR, other then headlines. Headlines, but they way are designed to attract people to read. It's call sensationalism to attract readers. Newspapers have been doing if for more then a hundred years.

 

Mindless googling and linking of financial editorials does not give your hatred of the game any credibility.

 

TIP: what matters is the actual financials reported by the company and the actual prepared statements they release to the public, NOT news editorials.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Andryah

[AeSaar]

Look More Liars And Sources Of Ill Repute

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Electronic Arts shares fall on weak outlook -Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2012/05/07/electronic_arts_shares_fall_on_weak_outlook/)

 

Electronic Arts Zapped by Star Wars Slump -Barron's (http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111904370004577392471086552202.html?mod=BOL_da_hr)

 

Electronic Arts Posts a Loss and Loses Big Game Subscribers -The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/technology/electronic-arts-posts-a-loss-and-loses-big-game-subscribers.html)

 

Electronic Arts Shares Tumble on Weak 1Q Forecast -Fox Business ( http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/05/07/electronic-arts-shares-tumble-on-weak-1q-forecast/#ixzz1v3GeUmlG)

 

Electronic Arts: Not the Best Way to Profit From Video Games -Trefis (http://www.trefis.com/stock/has/articles/119635/electronic-arts-not-the-best-way-to-profit-from-video-games/2012-05-10)

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So Many Liars...We Should Start A Truth In Media Campaign And Make These Liars Tell The Truth.

 

I Can't Believe They Mislead Me.

 

Thank God For The Wisdom Of You Knowledgeable Forum Posters Or I Would Be Lost.

[Cerion]

Your Right

 

EA's The Old Republic Sees Sharp Drop In Subscribers -Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/08/eas-the-old-republic-sees-sharp-drop-in-subscribers/)

 

EA loses Star Wars users, shares tumble – Chicago Tribune (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-electronicarts-idUSBRE84610420120508)

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic's subscriber numbers fall -BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17989756)

 

Last Call: Electronic Arts, Star Wars and a disturbance in the Force -CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47331114)

 

Electronic Arts's cuts to cost 40 million -San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/08/BUBJ1OEMM1.DTL)

 

Electronic Arts Drops as Forecast Misses Analyst’s Views -Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-08/electronic-arts-drops-as-forecasts-misses-analysts-views.html)

 

All Hacks..bloomberg, cnbc, bbc...All Hacks

 

All Of Them

 

I Swear Some Of You Live In A Constant State Of Denial

 

AeSaar, you're simply linking articles from reporters who are quoting the Quarterly Financials as reported by EA themselves. How is this news? And yes, if they all offer an editorial like the blogger you quoted as some 'expert' from NASDAQ, then they're hacks.

 

You seem to labor under the delusion that if more outlets report a fact, it makes the fact more true! No. We heard all of that with EA's quarterly release. Hearing it a dozen more times means nothing, no matter the source.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Cerion

[Andryah]

Look More Liars And Sources Of Ill Repute

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Electronic Arts shares fall on weak outlook -Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2012/05/07/electronic_arts_shares_fall_on_weak_outlook/)

 

Electronic Arts Zapped by Star Wars Slump -Barron's (http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111904370004577392471086552202.html?mod=BOL_da_hr)

 

Electronic Arts Posts a Loss and Loses Big Game Subscribers -The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/technology/electronic-arts-posts-a-loss-and-loses-big-game-subscribers.html)

 

Electronic Arts Shares Tumble on Weak 1Q Forecast -Fox Business ( http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2012/05/07/electronic-arts-shares-tumble-on-weak-1q-forecast/#ixzz1v3GeUmlG)

 

Electronic Arts: Not the Best Way to Profit From Video Games -Trefis (http://www.trefis.com/stock/has/articles/119635/electronic-arts-not-the-best-way-to-profit-from-video-games/2012-05-10)

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So Many Liars...We Should Start A Truth In Media Campaign And Make These Liars Tell The Truth.

 

I Can't Believe They Mislead Me.

 

Thank God For The Wisdom Of You Knowledgeable Forum Posters Or I Would Be Lost.

 

Keep google spamming. It's hilarious and discredits your position more with each post.

[Kthx]

IThis game has had a pretty big impact on the share value of EA as a whole. As an investor, it's clearer than a brand new windshield in an Enzo Ferrari.

 

If it is so clear, tell us what the stock price will be one month from today and we'll come back on June 16 to check how good your Ferrari is.

[Blistrich]

...

From one of your links, AeSaar...

Without unusual items, Electronic Arts said that it earned $56 million, or $0.17 a share, in its fiscal 2012 fourth quarter, which ended March 31, 2012. That’s down from $83 million, or $0.25 a share, a year ago. Despite the decline, the company’s latest earnings were ahead of the Street’s forecast of $0.16 a share.

Oh no... they only earned $56 million? Oh lordy lordy, the sky is falling...

 

Oh, and they were still outperforming the forecasts. LOL. That's the cherry.

 

Edited May 16, 2012 by Blistrich

[AeSaar]

AeSaar, you're simply linking articles from reporters who are quoting the Quarterly Financials as reported by EA themselves. How is this news? And yes, if they all offer an editorial like the blogger you quoted as some 'expert' from NASDAQ, then they're hacks.

 

Cannot have a real discussion when major media outlets are all passed over as supposed hacks. Really?!?!?

 

BBC?

 

Fox Business?

 

Forbes?

 

Trefis?

 

I gave you the links. You know they are not editorials. I give up. Your not even willing to read information from major media outlets. You deny any information they have to offer. You are not interested in debate.

[BlueFromMoon]

EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo, SEGA and Konami are the 5 largest game companies on earth (based purely on total development quantity), and it is easy to predict EA's dominance. All you have to do is watch their earnings grow as they acquire more and more studios and tear them down so that they can be absorbed into the EA infrastructure.

 

A minor stock downturn is meaningless. All company stocks are down, most for the past 2 years.

 

Dont get me wrong. I couldnt care less about EA. Im currently waiting Elder Scroll Online TBH.

[Blistrich]

Cannot have a real discussion when major media outlets are all passed over as supposed hacks.

Read my last post. You defeated yourself with your own links.

[Dezzi]

Cannot have a real discussion when major media outlets are all passed over as supposed hacks. Really?!?!?

 

BBC?

 

Fox Business?

 

Forbes?

 

Trefis?

 

I gave you the links. You know they are not editorials. I give up. Your not even willing to read information from major media outlets. You deny any information they have to offer. You are not interested in debate.

 

Neither are you. You don't just get to pour links on the forum and call it a discussion...

[HeavensAgent]

Exactly. The numbers may not lie, but they certainly don't tell you the entire story either, especially when viewed in such a narrow scope as the OP tried.

 

As much as we want to think this game has THAT much impact on EA, there are more football fanatics than there are Star Wars nurds (I'm both) - Madden has much more impact on the stock than SWTOR ever will.

Indeed. I expect the greater than anticipated spikes throughout May to October of last year, as well as the correspondingly inflated drop being experienced now, are related in some degree to SWTOR. That being said neither extreme demonstrates any substantial deviation from the expected norm.

[banecolton]

The thing about reality is…

 

Both this:

 

A vitally important tenet in statistical analysis is as follows:

 

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

And this:

 

Your Right

 

EA's The Old Republic Sees Sharp Drop In Subscribers -Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/08/eas-the-old-republic-sees-sharp-drop-in-subscribers/)

 

EA loses Star Wars users, shares tumble – Chicago Tribune (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-electronicarts-idUSBRE84610420120508)

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic's subscriber numbers fall -BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17989756)

 

Last Call: Electronic Arts, Star Wars and a disturbance in the Force -CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47331114)

 

Electronic Arts's cuts to cost 40 million -San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/08/BUBJ1OEMM1.DTL)

 

Electronic Arts Drops as Forecast Misses Analyst’s Views -Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-08/electronic-arts-drops-as-forecasts-misses-analysts-views.html)

 

All Hacks..bloomberg, cnbc, bbc...All Hacks

 

All Of Them

 

I Swear Some Of You Live In A Constant State Of Denial

 

Are true.

 

I swear I have more fun watching those of you in this thread who always jump on and attempt to “disprove” anyone who posts anything that could even possibly be considered a criticism of this game or BW and those of you in this thread that always post “the sky is falling”, TOR is dead” go at one another across these forums.

 

Here is a tip, your post history is available to everyone, it isn’t hard to find out who the fanboiz and haterz are…and the rest of us that don’t live in the extremes can have a lot of fun watching you go at one another endlessly…

 

And I confess that I have had fun poking one or the other group to watch you spin off in a tizzy from time to time…so please, keep at it because it’s a slow morning at work and I could use the entertainment since there doesn’t seem to be many civil conversations going on at the moment….

 

[Andryah]

You know they are not editorials.

 

Yeah, actually they are. I know it stings you, but it is true.

 

Your not even willing to read information from major media outlets. You deny any information they have to offer.

 

I have read them all, sorry to disappoint you And personally, I deny your misuse of them. The larger question is, have you read them? Honesty read them? Because if you did I really do not understand your misuse of them in this thread.

 

You are not interested in debate.

 

Several of us are openly debating your deliberate misuse of articles on the internet to prosecute your distain for the game.

 

I give up.

 

Does that man you are going to log out now? Or was that just a rhetorical statement?

[Cerion]

Cannot have a real discussion when major media outlets are all passed over as supposed hacks. Really?!?!?

 

BBC?

 

Fox Business?

 

Forbes?

 

Trefis?

 

I gave you the links. You know they are not editorials. I give up. Your not even willing to read information from major media outlets. You deny any information they have to offer. You are not interested in debate.

 

I've read all the information I need to read in EA's own financial report. Reading it a dozen more times from various other outlets doesn't make the information more factual, or more pertinent. Again, you seem to labor under the delusion that if 1000 journalists reported the drop in SWTOR subs, it makes it more relevant and urgent than when EA themselves reported the drop. Nobody is arguing a drop in subscription numbers here.

 

And yes...I still believe the pundits and advisors following the video game industry are pretty clueless, and thus hacks. I'd never follow any of their advice.

[Andryah]

And yes...I still believe the pundits and advisors following the video game industry are pretty clueless, and thus hacks. I'd never follow any of their advice.

 

Quoted For Truth.

[Blistrich]

I swear I have more fun watching those of you in this thread who always jump on and attempt to “disprove” anyone who posts anything that could even possibly be considered a criticism of this game or BW and those of you in this thread that always post “the sky is falling”, TOR is dead” go at one another across these forums.

I think most of us are pointing out that EA is a monolithic performer that is continuing to grow despite the mountains of bad press surrounding it. I don't much care for EA, but even when they are in the toilet, they still make cash from their countless franchises. They employ some very shoddy practices, but most people don't have two *****... they just want to fire up Sims or Madden and play a video game, which is why EA keeps rolling on.

Here is a tip, your post history is available to everyone, it isn’t hard to find out who the fanboiz and haterz are…and the rest of us that don’t live in the extremes can have a lot of fun watching you go at one another endlessly

You care enough to go back through histories? You need a hobby my friend.

[Codek]

Looks like it's a good time to buy EA stock!

[Fomore]

Ok yea connect the market with the game. But then let out all the factors that has influence. Like the bad economics in europe for example. But yea everyone that read to lines of a repost are suddenly well educated and proffesional analyst.

[Dyvid]

Activision Blizzard is @ 12.63, what's your point?