DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Patch 1.2 was a pretty big slap in the face to PvPers. Open World PvP is dead. I'm on a PvP server and there seems no point to it. The countless hours it takes to farm for just one piece of PvP gear now, versus getting several pieces of gear via one Raid. Class balance being at the worst I've seen, even from beta. And a Que system that places pugs versus 8 player pre-mades. Ok, so all that sucks, and lots of it is opinion based. But..... When I go to heal my teammate in PvP and get stunned by the Rhakghoul Event. When I'm .8 seconds from capping Turret and get stunned by the Rahkghoul Event, long enough for reinforcements to stop me all together. When I see a Scoundrel get pulled from stealth because he's suffering from the Rhakghoul Event.... So this PvE event is messing with PvP, and while I laugh and sigh at the same time, I can only wonder if Bioware is attempting to remove PvP from the game all together. That's the only thing that makes sense to the increasing segregation in gear paths, increase segregation in class balance, and the increasing segregation in the reward system. I for one would like to know, so I know what to expect and remove any further disappointment from lost hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hargrave Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 based on what i seen and this weeknds beta id say arenanet is getting rid of tor pvp lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krashnburn Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Patch 1.2 was a pretty big slap in the face to PvPers. Open World PvP is dead. I'm on a PvP server and there seems no point to it. The countless hours it takes to farm for just one piece of PvP gear now, versus getting several pieces of gear via one Raid. Class balance being at the worst I've seen, even from beta. And a Que system that places pugs versus 8 player pre-mades. Ok, so all that sucks, and lots of it is opinion based. But..... When I go to heal my teammate in PvP and get stunned by the Rhakghoul Event. When I'm .8 seconds from capping Turret and get stunned by the Rahkghoul Event, long enough for reinforcements to stop me all together. When I see a Scoundrel get pulled from stealth because he's suffering from the Rhakghoul Event.... So this PvE event is messing with PvP, and while I laugh and sigh at the same time, I can only wonder if Bioware is attempting to remove PvP from the game all together. That's the only thing that makes sense to the increasing segregation in gear paths, increase segregation in class balance, and the increasing segregation in the reward system. I for one would like to know, so I know what to expect and remove any further disappointment from lost hope. If I am infected I will use the vaccine before PvPing so that don't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-Serp Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 You will probably get banned for spreading misinformation. I hope you feel it was worth it to fool the two people you tricked. The only effect the event has is if you are infected and die while in a feverish state you will blow up and infect others you splatter over. You can also die from the disease if you're in feverish state too long without dying. It takes roughly an hour, I've died a grand total of one time from being feverish as I managed to go 4 straight warzones without a single death. The chances of you doing that is very rare, you'd have to be a healer and probably on a premade, and you'd have to manage to avoid getting focused or chain cc'ed to death. In open world PVP yes maybe you keel over from the disease. Haven't had that happen to me personally but I can take your word for it. But definitely not in warzones, which you claim it stopped you from capping a node at, which is just impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 If I am infected I will use the vaccine before PvPing so that don't happen. I hear ya. In order to PvP without being effected by the PvE event, you have to participate in the PvE event by buying the antidote. Bioware, are you getting this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 You will probably get banned for spreading misinformation. I hope you feel it was worth it to fool the two people you tricked. The only effect the event has is if you are infected and die while in a feverish state you will blow up and infect others you splatter over. You can also die from the disease if you're in feverish state too long without dying. It takes roughly an hour, I've died a grand total of one time from being feverish as I managed to go 4 straight warzones without a single death. The chances of you doing that is very rare, you'd have to be a healer and probably on a premade, and you'd have to manage to avoid getting focused or chain cc'ed to death. In open world PVP yes maybe you keel over from the disease. Haven't had that happen to me personally but I can take your word for it. But definitely not in warzones, which you claim it stopped you from capping a node at, which is just impossible. Well, it will be easy to find out... either I get banned for misinformation... or I don't get banned because it's not misinformation. Either way, thanks for the bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I hear ya. In order to PvP without being effected by the PvE event, you have to participate in the PvE event by buying the antidote. Bioware, are you getting this? Why do you consider this a PvE event? This is an event end of story. You should have capitalized on it since some of this was in a pvp area. You missed out on being zoned in to wz 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motav Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Quit ************ like little girls, the event is over on the 24th. All people do is complain I swear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-Serp Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I hear ya. In order to PvP without being effected by the PvE event, you have to participate in the PvE event by buying the antidote. Bioware, are you getting this? You can just buy the vaccine at the stim vendor on the fleet for $2k creds each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobings Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I hear ya. In order to PvP without being effected by the PvE event, you have to participate in the PvE event by buying the antidote. Bioware, are you getting this? So you're one of those people, I see. How many times has this actually happened to you? Be honest. Maybe once? I've never had it happen personally so either I'm super duper lucky or you're making a mountain out of a molehill like everyone else on these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maticlandarr Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I hear ya. In order to PvP without being effected by the PvE event, you have to participate in the PvE event by buying the antidote. Bioware, are you getting this? I doubt they are, but i am getting that you are a *********** baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsdaycomes Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Patch 1.2 was a pretty big slap in the face to PvPers. Open World PvP is dead. I'm on a PvP server and there seems no point to it. The countless hours it takes to farm for just one piece of PvP gear now, versus getting several pieces of gear via one Raid. Class balance being at the worst I've seen, even from beta. And a Que system that places pugs versus 8 player pre-mades. Ok, so all that sucks, and lots of it is opinion based. But..... When I go to heal my teammate in PvP and get stunned by the Rhakghoul Event. When I'm .8 seconds from capping Turret and get stunned by the Rahkghoul Event, long enough for reinforcements to stop me all together. When I see a Scoundrel get pulled from stealth because he's suffering from the Rhakghoul Event.... So this PvE event is messing with PvP, and while I laugh and sigh at the same time, I can only wonder if Bioware is attempting to remove PvP from the game all together. That's the only thing that makes sense to the increasing segregation in gear paths, increase segregation in class balance, and the increasing segregation in the reward system. I for one would like to know, so I know what to expect and remove any further disappointment from lost hope. They are definitely not getting rid of pvp, though there have been minor setbacks. As for the rakghoul event, (which has increased world pvp on pvp servers, It is unfortunate you've been effected like this, I've never had a real issue, and as someone else mentioned, there is a cure. It's 2k, (kinda sucks) but if it's really an issue, then the cure is worth it. I don't believe 8 man queueing is possible yet, so the only premades are 4 premades + 4 pugs, or if lucky, 2 premades that work well together hitting the same match. Those 4 pugs lose matches for premades... constantly. It's annoying. As for your other statement. A raid (played well) takes about 2 hours at least, and has 4-5 bosses. Each boss drops maybe 4 pieces of gear. That's 20 pieces divided by 8 (assuming an 8 man raid), or 2.5 pieces per person. However, just because it drops something, doesn't mean it's for you, or useful, or that it will go to you. I've done raids where I received nothing, and some raids I made out with 2 pieces. For atleast 2hrs work, assuming no wipes and decent clearing. A win in a warzone (like playing well in a raid) is about 120 comms or more, and It is not unreasonable to receive 3-4 matches an hour. (Huttball is the longest, but must be won early for best reards.) That's 6-8 games, or 720-960 comms + your daily 99 comms. Should be about enough to buy a guaranteed useful piece of gear. (And correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't an Operation lock out upon completion until the next week?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalTorrak Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) You will probably get banned for spreading misinformation. I hope you feel it was worth it to fool the two people you tricked. The only effect the event has is if you are infected and die while in a feverish state you will blow up and infect others you splatter over. You can also die from the disease if you're in feverish state too long without dying. It takes roughly an hour, I've died a grand total of one time from being feverish as I managed to go 4 straight warzones without a single death. The chances of you doing that is very rare, you'd have to be a healer and probably on a premade, and you'd have to manage to avoid getting focused or chain cc'ed to death. In open world PVP yes maybe you keel over from the disease. Haven't had that happen to me personally but I can take your word for it. But definitely not in warzones, which you claim it stopped you from capping a node at, which is just impossible. You get stunned when you are running , get knocked out of stealth also when you are attempting to transform (or explode if you wait long enough) in WZ's just like if you are sitting in fleet, I've exploded from it also (not exploded from dying to a player, just from the disease) so you do not know what you are talking about, it does wreck pvp, and its not just oh I'll use x to get rid of it, you die, gets rid of that, and then you kill someone in pvp and it spreads back to you again and again and again. But I do agree with the OP, bugs during WZ's just getting worse, exploits that are not being fixed or simply ignored, performance is the worst in WZ's when its not an issue in PvE, balance is TERRIBLE and yes worse than beta and on release, I've unsubbed, and if its not fixed before the free month is over then I'm out, not paying for a game like this that's for sure, specially since I'm in it only to PVP. Edited April 23, 2012 by KalTorrak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Why do you consider this a PvE event? This is an event end of story. You should have capitalized on it since some of this was in a pvp area. You missed out on being zoned in to wz 24/7. lol, I will say I'm glad I missed out on that one. The event is PvE because nothing you do PvP based can help you deal with it. If it was an overall event that was for both PvE and PvP, then their would be an avenue of approaching the event via PvP and there is not. (unless getting knocked out of stealth or stun locked during PvP is Bioware's idea of an avenue of approach, which if is it, I digress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 lol, I will say I'm glad I missed out on that one. The event is PvE because nothing you do PvP based can help you deal with it. If it was an overall event that was for both PvE and PvP, then their would be an avenue of approaching the event via PvP and there is not. (unless getting knocked out of stealth or stun locked during PvP is Bioware's idea of an avenue of approach, which if is it, I digress) You can get all the vendor rewards by strickly pvp'ing. Not sure what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) Patch 1.2 was a pretty big slap in the face to PvPers. This is as far as I got. I'm going to start drinking a shot every time I see this phrase on the forums. It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ It's a slap in the face! QQ QQ Edited April 23, 2012 by belialle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) So you're one of those people, I see. How many times has this actually happened to you? Be honest. Maybe once? I've never had it happen personally so either I'm super duper lucky or you're making a mountain out of a molehill like everyone else on these forums. I guess that's in the perception of how you read my post. This event is a single piece to a larger puzzle that has me curious... as the subject title indicates. So I would say I'm making a molehill out of a molehill, or a mountain out of a mountain. Read my thread less like I'm in an upset mood, and more like I'm just curious and then perhaps you won't be like everyone else on these forums that thinks the way they perceive something is the only way it is. Edited April 23, 2012 by DarkHelsing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobings Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I guess that's in the perception of how you read my post. This event is a single piece to a larger puzzle that has me curious... as the subject title indicates. So I would say I'm making a molehill out of a molehill, or a mountain out of a mountain. Read my thread less like I'm in an upset mood, and more like I'm just curious and then perhaps you won't be like everyone else on these forums that thinks the way they perceive something is the only way it is. Oh, I see. So you're legitimately asking if BW is intentionally alienating and trying to eliminate their own customer base for no other reason than corporate masochism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 This is as far as I got. *snip* Least you were upfront that you had nothing to contribute because you didn't read past the first sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Oh, I see. So you're legitimately asking if BW is intentionally alienating and trying to eliminate their own customer base for no other reason than corporate masochism? Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagon Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Least you were upfront that you had nothing to contribute because you didn't read past the first sentence. Again, the event incorporated a pvp aspect, so I'm not sure why you're still going on about it. It had both a PvE element and a PvP element, if you failed to get the PvP element of it, you missed out on a fun event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Least you were upfront that you had nothing to contribute because you didn't read past the first sentence. http://worldofguidecraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/gnerd_rage.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 You can get all the vendor rewards by strickly pvp'ing. Not sure what you're talking about. I mean, I haven't heard a broadcast to stay out of Hutt-Ball, or stay away from Alderaan Civil War because an outbreak has hit the contestants or the front line. You only hear stuff for the event in PvE based situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHelsing Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Again, the event incorporated a pvp aspect, so I'm not sure why you're still going on about it. It had both a PvE element and a PvP element, if you failed to get the PvP element of it, you missed out on a fun event. Oh wait... hang on. You weren't stating a bug or something, you were stating they had a PvP based WZ event? Yup, missed it. So I digress on that part of the issue, knock item #562 off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsdaycomes Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 They are definitely not getting rid of pvp, though there have been minor setbacks. As for the rakghoul event, (which has increased world pvp on pvp servers, It is unfortunate you've been effected like this, I've never had a real issue, and as someone else mentioned, there is a cure. It's 2k, (kinda sucks) but if it's really an issue, then the cure is worth it. I don't believe 8 man queueing is possible yet, so the only premades are 4 premades + 4 pugs, or if lucky, 2 premades that work well together hitting the same match. Those 4 pugs lose matches for premades... constantly. It's annoying. As for your other statement. A raid (played well) takes about 2 hours at least, and has 4-5 bosses. Each boss drops maybe 4 pieces of gear. That's 20 pieces divided by 8 (assuming an 8 man raid), or 2.5 pieces per person. However, just because it drops something, doesn't mean it's for you, or useful, or that it will go to you. I've done raids where I received nothing, and some raids I made out with 2 pieces. For atleast 2hrs work, assuming no wipes and decent clearing. A win in a warzone (like playing well in a raid) is about 120 comms or more, and It is not unreasonable to receive 3-4 matches an hour. (Huttball is the longest, but must be won early for best reards.) That's 6-8 games, or 720-960 comms + your daily 99 comms. Should be about enough to buy a guaranteed useful piece of gear. (And correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't an Operation lock out upon completion until the next week?) ^ Just thought I'd quote myself, as attempting to give reasonable, polite feedback to your question seems to have gotten lost among the name calling and bickering. My apoligies for doing so. May I also point out, that a raid can take hours, even days to organize and schedule, where as in Pvp you can solo queue and potentially be earning some reward, even if it's a loss for 70-80 comms? I don't believe Bioware is purposefully trying to ditch pvp, or that the content/rewards is lopsided towards Pve. just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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