PvP heroes - Stop blaming your team.

[TUXs]

My problem is...

 

My problem IS: they get upset for me and other players not carrying their as-s,

 

But ultimately my biggest problem is with Bioware for FORCING

 

Or try to come and "help" me ninja cap a node,

You have more than ONE problem.

 

Let me point out the BIGGEST problem you have...because you've done a great job pointing out what I suspected.

 

YOU ARE NOT A TEAM PLAYER! You think you should be allowed to go off and 'ninja' nodes, while the rest of the team carries you. YOU ARE A SELFISH PLAYER! You contribute nothing to the team by running off solo and and staying stealthed - this is a NUMBERS game...you staying stealthed is no different than you just quitting.

 

"Oh, but I'm like the best stealth guy on the surver" - No, you're not. You're simply a selfish player who thinks he's good because you've capped a node against a bad player before.

 

YOU are the problem mate...I'm so pleased you pointed this out in your own words for me - thank you!

[Dmasterr]

You have more than ONE problem.

 

Let me point out the BIGGEST problem you have...because you've done a great job pointing out what I suspected.

 

YOU ARE NOT A TEAM PLAYER! You think you should be allowed to go off and 'ninja' nodes, while the rest of the team carries you. YOU ARE A SELFISH PLAYER! You contribute nothing to the team by running off solo and and staying stealthed - this is a NUMBERS game...you staying stealthed is no different than you just quitting.

 

"Oh, but I'm like the best stealth guy on the surver" - No, you're not. You're simply a selfish player who thinks he's good because you've capped a node against a bad player before.

 

YOU are the problem mate...I'm so pleased you pointed this out in your own words for me - thank you!

 

 

 

what? the people who completely ignore objectives carry me?

 

K, so to all the ppl who are fighting all game in the pit, while the enemy scores 4 times in 2 minutes, i thank you and sorry for being a burden on you.

 

Thank you for spliting in voidstar attack and not achieving anything.

 

Thank you for losing 6v3(enemies battles).

 

Thank you for over reacting and calling for help for 2 ppl when you are 5.

 

Thank you for not interupping caps.

 

Thank you for farming medals and ignoring objectives.

 

etc etc, i dont have all day to fill 2 pages with examples of extremely bad pvp gameplay, not to mention i already posted tons, and more

 

You srs dude? naga please.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Dmasterr

[Geawiel]

Raging very rarely does anything. What it does do is add you to /ignore, which hurts the team worse then anything. If the team is screwing up, let them know in a way that is helpful.

 

I've seen ragers yell at people doing what they're supposed to also though. I played a Civil War match where we had only 1 turret. The game had just started and 2 people were gaurding it. It was continuously being attacked and those 2 were the only ones keeping it from getting capped while the rest of the team was trying to take another. The rager, without actually seeing what was going on there, told them to abandon the turret. When they didn't, he asked which one was more retarted. After being told that it was continuously being attacked, he shut up. He also tried to tell everyone at the start to stick to one group and don't gaurd anything. Not the way to win on that WZ. We ended up losing because our whole team just kept attacking the middle turret most of the game. By the time they moved to a side turret, it was too late.

 

I later got stuck with him in a huttball match and it was the same thing. He yelled at someone for not passing the ball, yet the person had no one to pass to and was stunned as well. When the carrier explained what was going on, half our team had said they added him to ignore after his first rage at the team. We ended up winning that match if I remember right.

 

If you're going to rage at your team, don't expect anything to come of it. As I said, most will put you on ignore right away.

[Dmasterr]

.

 

Please read the whole thread and see what has been discussed already.

[TUXs]

what? the people who completely ignore objectives carry me?

 

K, so to all the ppl who are fighting all game in the pit, while the enemy scores 4 times in 2 minutes, i thank you and sorry for being a burden on you.

 

Thank you for spliting in voidstar attack and not achieving anything.

 

Thank you for losing 6v3(enemies battles).

 

Thank you for over reacting and calling for help for 2 ppl when you are 5.

 

Thank you for not interupping caps.

 

Thank you for farming medals and ignoring objectives.

 

etc etc, i dont have all day to fill 2 pages with examples of extremely bad pvp gameplay, not to mention i already posted tons, and more

 

You srs dude? naga please.

Yes. I'm serious...YOU were talking about Alderaan. Don't go spinning it now lol. YOU tried to ninja cap lol!!!! YOU are NOT a team player! YOU expect the others to allow you your 6 seconds of glory as you 3-cap them lol! That's SELFISH! Either help the team, or please just don't queue up. You'd probably have more fun ninja ganking low levels on Alderaan or Tat tbh. Stick to that.

[DarthKhaos]

Say it again, add peneltys, -500 valor if you leave a warzone, lower AFK kick to 60sec with warning after 30sec and also have it out on the map, if you get afk kick -1000 valor, if you lose the match to fast - valor and so on.

This is the most idiotic thing to suggest. You're saying I'm in a match and I have to go afk for whatever reason I will be penalized because real life happened? The game can't tell the difference if someone left the warzone because they didn't want to stay in a loosing game, if their swimming pool is on fire or there's a Zombie Apocalypse going on.

 

A 15-30min lockout on a warzone is acceptable.

 

The sad thing is, when I did lvl my char I got not many credit´s. I got valor rank 25 and at 50 had like 80k credits that I put into new skills´and I bought 4 pvp items, some by commandations and 2 for credits + I always bought new pvp gear at 20 and 40.

 

I got no speeder or anything but I am allready broke

 

It might sound simple for some to just buy gear for 500k credit´s, but its not that simple for all. It would had been better to give the recruit gear for free, if you have lets say valor lvl 20.

 

Someone here said that you cant play with 8 of your guild, I know you cant queue for it... but there is a premade that has usually atleast 6 players in every game they play. Coincidence probably, but its kinda depressing

BTW this is crap. I had enough cash to train my combat skills (not the higher level speeders only got the lvl 25 one because I don't ride about the game world much on that character) when I hit level 50 and would of had enough cash to buy the full set of recruit gear if I was out at that time. This is after I've been yanking out the mods from gear to place in my social gear because I liked the way that looked. That's cash down the drain.

Edited April 25, 2012 by DarthKhaos

[Dmasterr]

Yes. I'm serious...YOU were talking about Alderaan. Don't go spinning it now lol. YOU tried to ninja cap lol!!!! YOU are NOT a team player! YOU expect the others to allow you your 6 seconds of glory as you 3-cap them lol! That's SELFISH! Either help the team, or please just don't queue up. You'd probably have more fun ninja ganking low levels on Alderaan or Tat tbh. Stick to that.

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2/3 defenders as operative, and 100% vs 1 defender.

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2 defenders as shadow, 100% vs 1 defender.

If i am @ a gun and there are 4 ppl there, because they over react to stealther, don't you think it is a huge benefit to the team????

I don't try to ninja on my jugg or sorc.

 

And by ninja cap i don't mean killing defenders before cap. (have to be explicit since ppl cant play)

Pls learn to play, and stop trying to pve into pvp, doing fixed fights not going anywhere while u do your pve rotation. Kthxbye.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Dmasterr

[Celebrus]

Thank you for over reacting and calling for help for 2 ppl when you are 5.

 

Are you serious?

 

ANY inc should be called out, regardless of the size.

 

You look less like an idiot for calling "2 inc mid" when theres 5 of you there than you do for being capped by 2 people at mid because half of the people sitting there were oblivious that the node was being capped.

 

You seem like a trawl.

 

 

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2/3 defenders as operative, and 100% vs 1 defender.

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2 defenders as shadow, 100% vs 1 defender.

If i am @ a gun and there are 4 ppl there, because they over react to stealther, don't you think it is a huge benefit to the team????

I don't try to ninja on my jugg or sorc.

 

Yes, you've capped every single node you've ever tried to ninja when there is only a single person there.

 

Trawl confirmed.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Celebrus

[Dmasterr]

Are you serious?

 

ANY inc should be called out, regardless of the size.

 

You look less like an idiot for calling "2 inc mid" when theres 5 of you there than you do for being capped by 2 people at mid because half of the people sitting there were oblivious that the node was being capped.

 

You seem like a trawl.

 

So, you excuse 1 fail with another fail?

Edited April 25, 2012 by Dmasterr

[Dmasterr]

 

 

Yes, you've capped every single node you've ever tried to ninja when there is only a single person there.

 

Trawl confirmed.

 

Sleep dart +cap if he uses cc break, blind +cap / vanish+sleep dart-cap =profit.

 

Mind trap+cap if he uses cc break vanish mind trap+cap/force shroud-whirlwind +cap =profit

l2p.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Dmasterr

[MelodicSixNine]

Well I see your point why are you mad, many times I was raging in my thoughts too and all - my text coloring friend, but it doesn't excuse you and your 'hero' friends to rage, call people names, leave them to their doom, brag how good you are on forums and think you are innocent.

 

Don't you dare compare Batman to... to... to... those... THINGS.

 

Oh please He is not that cool:

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/batman60s.jpg

[DarthKhaos]

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2/3 defenders as operative, and 100% vs 1 defender.

I have a 80% ninja cap rate vs 2 defenders as shadow, 100% vs 1 defender.

If i am @ a gun and there are 4 ppl there, because they over react to stealther, don't you think it is a huge benefit to the team????

I don't try to ninja on my jugg or sorc.

 

And by ninja cap i don't mean killing defenders before cap. (have to be explicit since ppl cant play)

Pls learn to play, and stop trying to pve into pvp, doing fixed fights not going anywhere while u do your pve rotation. Kthxbye.

I love ninja capping. I get some ninja caps in some situations esp in voidstar that makes me wonder how they didn't see me when they are less than 10m away from me.

 

Sleep dart +cap if he uses cc break, blind +cap / vanish+sleep dart-cap =profit.

 

Mind trap+cap if he uses cc break vanish mind trap+cap/force shroud-whirlwind +cap =profit

l2p.

Erm... I thought it takes longer to cap than the length of those CC's. Anyone that I have ever tried that on didn't work they tend to come out of the CC before the cap finishes.

[Ahhmyface]

I love ninja capping. I get some ninja caps in some situations esp in voidstar that makes me wonder how they didn't see me when they are less than 10m away from me.

 

 

Erm... I thought it takes longer to cap than the length of those CC's. Anyone that I have ever tried that on didn't work they tend to come out of the CC before the cap finishes.

 

He's wrong about assassin. You can do it with operative, but not with assassin.

[Dmasterr]

He's wrong about assassin. You can do it with operative, but not with assassin.

You have to have faster reactions.

[Ahhmyface]

You have to have faster reactions.

 

No, you have to be facing an idiot.

 

Mind trap is 8 seconds, the exact time it takes to cap. You have to be stealthed to mind trap, and unstealthing takes 1 GCD. = 6.5 seconds to cap < 8 second minimum. = 1.5 second window for enemy to hit you.

[Astarica]

If you ninja cap against 2 or more defenders, it's because they're blind not because you're good.

 

Even against one character it's usually a result of enemy's stupidity. You can simply defend from a spot about 30m away from the cap. If the enemy attempted to cap it you move back. If you get mezzed, they'd be too far away from the node that you can interrupt it with a 30m attack before they finish capping every single time. Contrary to pouplar belief, standing on the node is not the best place to defend it.

[Dmasterr]

No, you have to be facing an idiot.

 

Mind trap is 8 seconds, the exact time it takes to cap. You have to be stealthed to mind trap, and unstealthing takes 1 GCD. = 6.5 seconds to cap < 8 second minimum. = 1.5 second window for enemy to hit you.

 

Unstealthing or vanish are off gcd.OMG Also interacting with objectives is off gcd.

 

 

If you ninja cap against 2 or more defenders, it's because they're blind not because you're good.

 

Even against one character it's usually a result of enemy's stupidity. You can simply defend from a spot about 30m away from the cap. If the enemy attempted to cap it you move back. If you get mezzed, they'd be too far away from the node that you can interrupt it with a 30m attack before they finish capping every single time. Contrary to pouplar belief, standing on the node is not the best place to defend it.

 

Vs multiple opponents only on operative without killing anyone with aoe blind, or u can sleep dart 1 and kill other then blind, if they both trinket blind+cap, on shadow u need to kill 1 and remain with 1.

 

I have never EVER failed to ninja a point vs 1 defender. EVER.

 

And if you keep 2/3 ppl there you give your team numeric advantage elsewhere so its a win-win.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Dmasterr

[Ahhmyface]

Unstealthing or vanish are off gcd.OMG

 

Mindtrap isn't. You have to wait 1.5 sec to unstealth after mindtrap. I've ninja capped a hundred times. Stop lying. It's not possible to cap with mindtrap, period. Also, coloring your posts is unnecessary.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Ahhmyface

[Dmasterr]

Mindtrap isn't. You have to wait 1.5 sec to unstealth after mindtrap. I've ninja capped a hundred times. Stop lying. It's not possible to cap with mindtrap, period. Also, coloring your posts is unnecessary.

 

De-stealthing is off GCD, you don't have to wait for anything. Not my fault you are to slow to pull it off.

[Astarica]

Unstealthing or vanish are off gcd.OMG Also interacting with objectives is off gcd.

 

 

 

 

Vs multiple opponents only on operative without killing anyone with aoe blind, or u can sleep dart 1 and kill other then blind, if they both trinket blind+cap, on shadow u need to kill 1 and remain with 1.

 

I have never EVER failed to ninja a point vs 1 defender. EVER.

 

And if you keep 2/3 ppl there you give your team numeric advantage elsewhere so its a win-win.

 

So let's see you either AE blind while standing on top of the node (because surely the defender is never looking at the node they're guarding) so that you can cap it right after you blind since blind lasts exactly 8 seconds (if you have to move at all you wouldn't cap it on time), or you can kill someone in 10 seconds even though the sleep dart gives away the element of surprise, and your class isn't very strong to begin with?

 

The 2 defenders usually won't be leaving their node anyway. That's why they are defenders. Keeping them occupied isn't some kind of moral victory, because it is their job to dispose the attackers. Guys like you are the one that hurts their team because you inexcpliably won a few times against some horrendously bad competition, and now you think it's something you can do on a regular basis so you repeatedly walk into a well defended trap and die against any decent competition.

[Dmasterr]

So let's see you either AE blind while standing on top of the node (because surely the defender is never looking at the node they're guarding) so that you can cap it right after you blind since blind lasts exactly 8 seconds (if you have to move at all you wouldn't cap it on time), or you can kill someone in 10 seconds even though the sleep dart gives away the element of surprise, and your class isn't very strong to begin with?

 

The 2 defenders usually won't be leaving their node anyway. That's why they are defenders. Keeping them occupied isn't some kind of moral victory, because it is their job to dispose the attackers. Guys like you are the one that hurts their team because you inexcpliably won a few times against some horrendously bad competition, and now you think it's something you can do on a regular basis so you repeatedly walk into a well defended trap and die against any decent competition.

 

I cap vs 2 opponents often, blind and interacting with objective have quite a long distance, you don't have to be glued to either.

 

But w/e why am i teaching others how to play?

 

/Minaegi out.

[Highsis]

I say L2P in nice manners without specifically targeting anyone, for example,

 

"I'm not berating anyone, but we really shouldn't have 3 people trying to take their nod when we are winning and holding 2 nods of our own. We would have easily won if we kept on defending."

 

 

 

 

On my server imperials are beyond horrible in PvP. Yesterday, it took me 7 straight-hours to do a daily. If I played 3 games per hour, that's freaking 3 wins and 18 loses. It even happens quite often. With current character my longest winsteak is 3 games once, out of hundreds of pvp games.

 

I can't believe what I'm seeing. If I, or anyone, doesn't nag *SOME* imps on winning score will ALWAYS try to go offensive and eventually lose the game. Today in novere cost, we were holding 2 turrets with 100% vs 16% and 4 of us tried to take 3rd turret, which cost us the game. And I'm in lvl 50 bracket...

 

 

 

People can make mistakes and play badly, which I never complain. If somebody doesn't pass a ball, somebody makes stupid mistakes of letting the enemy ball carrier to charge at him, I never blames those blunders.

 

But when people play so dumb that doesn't make any remote sense at all, I have to say something to remind them that it's not smart to leave the job to me alone to fight a ball carrier and his 5 escorts.

 

 

 

 

 

I still don't understand why imps are so horrible on our server. When I rolled an alt, I once had 16 games winsteak because imps were playing like.... like with inhuman brain. How else can you justify someone on voidstar calling, "west needs help! come left quick!"(contradictory) and EVERYONE rushing to left to leave right door completely empty?

 

Or having 2 people on nods for defending at the beginning of the game while rest 6 are fighting to take mid nods against 7 enemies? I always go to side notes so I can slip out and help the mid. In my experience, others often don't do so and we almost always loses the mid because of their... unsmart gameplay.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Highsis

[RachelAnne]

I do not attack you in any way, i am just saying that you come with preconceptions about what is discussed in this thread, and your posts have no relevance to the actual discussion. If you can not be bothered to read the thread and see what has been discussed or what the discussion is about, why bother posting?

chances are you are not going to contribute anything useful and misinform new readers.

 

Because I wanted to show people that keep blaming new players with tags like "lazy, idiot etc." that they are wrong and I saw those post´s here.

To think that someone doesnt buy gear to annoy others is silly. Nobody has fun doing pvp if he / she always dies - there are reasons why some dont have full set´s, I only got 1 char - do the space missions a lot but they are pretty much the only income, next to the Wz´s but its not much either.

 

I also just went to Ilum as I heard there would be somekind of pvp quest content. The thing is, how to do those if your faction holds all nodes and you cant kill anyone or destroy anything?

 

 

That whole 500k credits everyone has discussion is a bit like at wow when also everyone had 5k gold at 70 for the mount. In the end not everyone plays like that, even without ever using the GTN s till having my lvl 20 speeder I am broke but have a valor that I cant use for anything.... kinda feels wrong

[yeux]

im just gonna throw this out there...

 

you really are bad if you come into 50 pvp matches with no recruit gear. if you intend to pvp, its more important than your speeder 3. There's no valid reason for people to pop into those queues with 11k hp. No one likes having to drag people through content.

[Uchoo]

If someone says to me "U SUCK, GET ON MY LVL BRAH" and they are actually playing well, I will probably try to step up my game lol.