Arthug Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) *posted in the thread as well talking about the changes* Both of these are only Me on a target dummy no other players were influencing the dummy in any way. Pre 1.2.0c 3 min on Target dummy Heat seeker hit 11 times 4 crits Max dmg 6252 min dmg 2622 avg 3758.82 http://www.torparse.com/a/4153?q=MXw0MTU...g2MDUzeDE= Post patch Heat seeker hit 11 times 6 crits Max dmg 4889 Min Hit 2109 Avg Hit 3449.09 http://www.torparse.com/a/9428 It crit 2 more times, I have improved my gear since i did that intial one by adding 3 reflex armorings over commando armorings. and Added in a full piece of Black hole gear to my gloves. which changed a commando to a reflex. and still cant come close to what it was doing before. my Min hit doesnt even reach the tool tip of 2158-2294 Im curious as how 55% armor reduction, 25% buff = less then even the tool tip dmg Their is another nerf going on here then what is intended or did you drop the dmg on Heatseeker missiles on top of fixing the stacking debuff dmg bonus I am pretty sure we are not even recieving our bonus Min hit on second parse 2109 x 25% buff = 2636 just over the pre patch max hit on second parse 4889x 25% buff = 6111 just under the pre patch Edited April 20, 2012 by Arthug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardon Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Posting. The class is now sub par in every single category. That's pretty brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn-XGundam Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 silly devs don't even test what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeblows Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 news flash... working as intended is the word from support.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxarale Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Arsenal mercs = BM hunters! Now all we need is some lame *** called Sithcrawler or something to promise us it will be addressed! We can wait 2 years and still suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelise Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Bioware fix please. :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calavero Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 news flash... working as intended is the word from support.... You need to provide more information than that if you want anyone to believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelise Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Has bioware replied yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeighkub Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) BioWare the bottom line is, Heatseeker missile is not working off our own heat signature stacks. It has been proven. Please stop denying and test for yourself. Heatseeker missile- "Fires several Missiles that deal 1789-1918 kinetic damage. This damage is increased by 5% per heat signature on the target." My missiles hit the same whether I have 5 stacks on the dummy or not, maybe slightly different but definitely not 25% harder. Maybe it is working off the heat signatures but your code is viewing our stack of 5 as only 1 debuff making a damage increase of only 5%. Dev please respond that you have tested with no heat signature, only 1 stack, and with 5 stacks and see that the damage change is minimal. Edited April 21, 2012 by Jeighkub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatine Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 You need to provide more information than that if you want anyone to believe you. You could just read the dev tracker since they posted that they retested and its working as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 news flash... working as intended is the word from support.... I got this too yesterday, I also got "Please respond to this mail" - and the mail was closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarr Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Arsenal mercs = BM hunters! Now all we need is some lame *** called Sithcrawler or something to promise us it will be addressed! We can wait 2 years and still suck! at least beastmaster hunters aspect of the (insert whatever they use now) is useful. arsenal now have to use combustible gas cylinder to be useful. instead of their trademark high velocity gas cylinder..... they have screwed us all up. we no longer have burst and now to top it all off, we have been weakened to less than paper status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddley Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 at least beastmaster hunters aspect of the (insert whatever they use now) is useful. arsenal now have to use combustible gas cylinder to be useful. instead of their trademark high velocity gas cylinder..... they have screwed us all up. we no longer have burst and now to top it all off, we have been weakened to less than paper status. Haha, this guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCZE Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Haha, this guy... ...is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGarnagle Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) ...is correct. is stupid. No terminal velocity = idiotic for arsenal. Might as well go pyro since the main plus to arsenal is sustained damage. Without terminal velocity, arsenal mercs run into heat issues big time. Keep in mind you are agreeing with a guy who swears up and down arsenal cannot use railshot on a target unless he is burning or incapacitated. Meaning he is either a terrible arsenal merc or doesn't even play one. I would be wary of agreeing with anything he says. Edited April 21, 2012 by McGarnagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Duck Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 yeah, i have given this patch a week and im not having fun at all on my bounty hunter now. 1. they made us weaker somehow in pvp. people are killing me in my full BM set in 4 hits. sometimes 3. 2. they killed our dps and broke some abilities. (heatseaker missile) 3. all classes companions are glitched to whenever you mount, or die, or load into a different area their equipments stats are not registering and you have to unequip all of their inventory and reequip everything to fix it. every single time. 4. GTN glitch. 5. they killed ilum (before 1.2) 6. postponed rated warzones. 7. still havent optimized the engine for better framerates. . for #1 i feel like a paper doll in warzones now. i have full BM set including weapons. soemthing happened with our heavy armor damage reduction. it definitely is not reducing damage by the 30% in the tooltip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Duck Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 * my Min hit doesnt even reach the tool tip of 2158-2294 Im curious as how 55% armor reduction, 25% buff = less then even the tool tip dmg Their is another nerf going on here then what is intended or did you drop the dmg on Heatseeker missiles on top of fixing the stacking debuff dmg bonus I am pretty sure we are not even recieving our bonus Min hit on second parse 2109 x 25% buff = 2636 just over the pre patch max hit on second parse 4889x 25% buff = 6111 just under the pre patch I can confirm this too. I am getting hits BELOW the minimum on the tooltip even with a 25% damage bonus from 5 heat signatures. there is no way this can be explained other than they broke something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIRCONGO Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Pretty sure the patch note referred to the Group debuff of heat sigs with heat seeker. In KP 3 Arsenal Mercs critting Jarg/Sorno for 10k/11k+ with 3x5 stacks of heat sigs. They just removed group debuff in patch, I haven't noticed any dip in solo play unless it was in a patch within the past 12 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greviouz Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Pretty sure the patch note referred to the Group debuff of heat sigs with heat seeker. In KP 3 Arsenal Mercs critting Jarg/Sorno for 10k/11k+ with 3x5 stacks of heat sigs. They just removed group debuff in patch, I haven't noticed any dip in solo play unless it was in a patch within the past 12 hours try trolling less dude...they broke the tracer missile debuff dmg add to heatseeker and then some...pre 1.2c i had 4.8k-5.2k crits solo no other mercs around now after the patch the tracer missile is hitting 3-500 dmg less than what the tooltip says and even with rakata adrenals and relic pops i cant even come close to 4.8-5.2k Without using cd's the normal crit of HSM is in the 3.4-3.6k area and 14-1500 normal hit(tooltip states 1830-1960 dmg) got 1866aim with rakata stim(3 parts columi+implants 2 parts tionese and rakata bracers and belt) bioware broke arsenal spec badly as the HSM dmg is back to how it was pre 1.2.0(aka HSM dmg is not buffed aprox 10% and tracer missile debuff has no effect to the dmg) Edited April 22, 2012 by greviouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIRCONGO Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 try trolling less dude...they broke the tracer missile debuff dmg add to heatseeker and then some...pre 1.2c i had 4.8k-5.2k crits solo no other mercs around now after the patch the tracer missile is hitting 3-500 dmg less than what the tooltip says and even with rakata adrenals and relic pops i cant even come close to 5.5k without using cd's the normal crit of HSM is in the 3.4-3.6k area and 14-1500 normal hit(tooltip states 1830-1960 dmg) got 1866aim with rakata stim(3 parts columi+implants 2 parts tionese and rakata bracers and belt) bioware broke arsenal spec badly as the HSM dmg is back to how it was pre 1.2.0(aka HSM dmg is not buffed aprox 10% and tracer missile debuff has no effect to the dmg)How am I trolling? I run Rakata and BM gear, my damage is fine, arsenal in PvE holds fine, Pyro runs fine in PvP. Class is not "broken," learn to adjust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddley Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 ...is correct. As McGarnagle said, he's basically been running around threads stating that tracer heat signatures do not make a target vulnerable to rail shot, so we all have to use cgc and electro dart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTray Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 How am I trolling? I run Rakata and BM gear, my damage is fine, arsenal in PvE holds fine, Pyro runs fine in PvP. Class is not "broken," learn to adjust You're trolling because "learn to adjust" is an acceptance that his point is correct, not a valid counter argument as to why it's not. Now stop trolling. The class ability is proven to be broken, mathematically. The only possibly answers are that not only did they not test it, they still don't have the intelligence required to realize they broke it. That's the scarier part to me. Someone is actually back there looking at these numbers giving an incorrect sign off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broganthomas Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 What I hate is running around hitting things like a truck all the way up to 1.2 and NOW I'm starting to hit like the other weak classes, this game blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTray Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 What I hate is running around hitting things like a truck all the way up to 1.2 and NOW I'm starting to hit like the other weak classes, this game blows. Since they're now actively moving threads to here... I'll just say, unsubbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe_ Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Unread Today , 02:27 PM | #2 Report Post Hello everyone, We know that a number of you wish to discuss this issue and in order to keep the discussion together we ask that everyone use this thread. This will help to ensure our forums are tidy and everyone can participate in the ongoing conversation. We will be closing this thread, feel free to carry on there! Averran | Community Representative Follow us on Twitter @SWTOR | Like us on Facebook [Contact Us] [Rules of Conduct] [F.A.Q.] [Dev Tracker] So here we are, talking about it like you asked. You're obviously reading. Where are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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