Vuron Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 The major issue here is communication. If the Ranked WZs were not ready it would be helpful if the developers would specify what was lacking in general. Second the problem is compounded because of the timing of the announcement - on the eve of the release. This makes it appear to be a bait and switch. This is unfortunate not only for the player community but the game as a whole. A recent developer stated that it was a surprise that the PvP was popular in this game. Delaying rated warzones may eliminate this "surprise." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Objektive Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 sad thing to see, we had our 8ppl ready today hope they get somehow 8man q wz, or many ppl will leave the game as others said 4man group is to small iff u got some friends who like to pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanet Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well looks like Bioware is really digging their own grave, and rather quickly. They wont change the ending of mass effect 3 due to "artistic integrity" and now this. Jar jar must be running this company or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Please to read earlier portions of 160+ page thread for reference thank you. The last thing i saw relating to an eula was this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars Edited April 12, 2012 by Arzhanin Rude comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferyClark Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Go do a brief search on the PTS forum. There are far more bugs and threads with the new Operation and FP than there was on the Ranked WZ. Yup. Not to mention the issues with their class changes... Guardians/Juggernauts got useless changes and nerfs... Marauders/Sentinels got buffed to be even more OP.... kinda the opposite of what needed to happen... You can be an apologist all you want but pulling away a feature a couple of hours before deployment without any sort of adequate explanation is just cutting it deep. If there was a major problem, tell us. You expect behavior like this from idiots, not industry professionals. What's worse, the way they have to make these builds, they knew earlier in the week, if not last week or even before then that rated warzones wouldn't be in this patch.... they can't just hit a checkbox... they knew well before the announcement, and worse, they waited until the end of the business day, just before going home for the night, to publish the blog post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durasturan Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 It's called google.com kid don't make him substantiate his own claims. Did you even try to search on google for it? Did you try wikipedia? Have you tried to research it at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekidpow Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Did you even try to search on google for it? Did you try wikipedia? Have you tried to research it at all? The burden of proof is on the accuser, my man. (that's you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliwookie Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 That's cause there's a total of about 5 apologist/fanbois/BW employees that are doing the majority of the retorts and supporting of BW/EA. The vast majority of the rest are angry customers, and rightly so. I myself have nothing better to do because I cant play tonight due to an earlier issue caused by BW when they accidentally released tomorrow patch earlier than intended (another 90+ page thread...they're on a roll tonight). So I've read the whole thread (yes!) and it really is less than a handful of ppl responding with ad hominem and tossing a few non sequiturs for good measure. Either that, or they're just regular players who are equally pissed at BW because this will undoubtedly affect their game play...in the form of less people to play with. So rather than take it up with BW they rather troll this thread and hope it goes away...reassuring themselves that nothings wrong, the game is fine, people aren't leaving. Ya, this is what I don't get either. All the apologists are missing the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted_Sisters Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 If only my server had as many subs as there are pages in this thread.... 166 and growing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TandyUK Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Another Epic Fail for BioWare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durasturan Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 The burden of proof is on the accuser, my man. (that's you) And I gave you proof, I told you about a recent court decision, rather than verify it you just dismissed it out of hand and ran off screaming that I'm a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barduc Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 It takes a lot to get me to leave an MMO, i played SWG until the servers were shut down, i still play DAoC sometimes, and actively play Diablo 2, I have unsubbed. The large promise for pvp and lack of support for that promise has left me ashamed of BW, and I have all their games, Tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Go do a brief search on the PTS forum. There are far more bugs and threads with the new Operation and FP than there was on the Ranked WZ. If Bioware actually had the decency to remove the Ranked WZ feature from 1.2 at least 1-2 weeks before the release, the outcry will definitely be not be as bad as this. Sure there would be some QQ as always but if they actually told us and gave us a reason why, players would be more understanding. Sure there were not many people around to test the Ranked WZ but there were no major problems with it at all. You can be an apologist all you want but pulling away a feature a couple of hours before deployment without any sort of adequate explanation is just cutting it deep. If there was a major problem, tell us. You expect behavior like this from idiots, not industry professionals. That is probably because there was no one really testing the ranked WZs until last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferyClark Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 If only my server had as many subs as there are pages in this thread.... 166 and growing I know the feeling... primetime tonight on Terentatek and the sum of people on both fleets wasn't 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elboc Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 What in the... I dont even.. I litterally could care less about anything except for ranked warzones. I dont PvE at all. :/ Wow I really hope 1.3 comes out soon. Plus I was basically planning to just solo queue. Sounds like that will be even longer. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CactusBrawler Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 And I gave you proof, I told you about a recent court decision, rather than verify it you just dismissed it out of hand and ran off screaming that I'm a liar. The one you provided wasn't really on topic friend, that one dealt with the idea that the original seller had not actually purchased the software in question, but rather purchased a set of rental licenses. Nothing at all with an EULA protecting against software not functioning or lacking features as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swpoop Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 This was the patch to save the game. Now its the one that kills it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwnshoppe Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Canceled my sub. They have 21 days to earn back my trust. God if this ever happened at my company heads would roll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandi Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) And I gave you proof, I told you about a recent court decision, rather than verify it you just dismissed it out of hand and ran off screaming that I'm a liar. The thing you posted had nothing at all to do with this situation. Edited April 12, 2012 by Arzhanin Rude comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRISKI Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Such fail. Oh well thank god for Diablo3, a game developed by a real company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) The one you provided wasn't really on topic friend, that one dealt with the idea that the original seller had not actually purchased the software in question, but rather purchased a set of rental licenses. Nothing at all with an EULA protecting against software not functioning or lacking features as advertised. Warranties This Section is to be read subject to Sections 6 and 7. No Warranty on Software Operation or Game Play; Force Majeure. You acknowledge that, owing to the complexity of computer technology, as well as the nature of online games themselves and play over a global communications network outside EA’s control, EA and its licensors cannot and do not guarantee that the Software, the Game and any updates, upgrades or expansions Software will run permanently or uninterrupted on your computer. EA and its licensors are not liable for delays, system failures, system outages or difficulties, especially of a technical nature, that are due to legal restrictions or other circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to third party criminal activity. EA also does not guarantee that the version of the Game covered by this Agreement will be playable in geographic locations where it is not available for sale at retail and/or at all times of the day and/or night. And thats within the EULA that every single person posting here agreed to. Edited April 12, 2012 by Shingara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuratReis Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Someone remarked that a dev said the success of PVP was a surprise, but it shouldn't have been. A lot of people want to play a sci-fi, Star wars MMO. So they came to TOR. PvE is basically broken, considering that it is nearly impossible to form groups to do high-level content. The only other alternative is PvP. Anyways, the new armor is out, and as long as they don't make it a total pain-in-the-*** grind, it will keep people happy for awhile, which will give the Devs time to get ranked WZs out. If the grind for War Hero gear is really boring (like BM commendations drops are now) or if players get all their gear and ranked WZs aren't out, leaving them with no reason to PvP, then Bioware will start to have a serious problem, especially with the games coming out in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonedform Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Such fail. Oh well thank god for Diablo3, a game developed by a real company. Which also has had its pvp removed indefinitely. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanuvstarwars Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 You didn't just make the decision. I can't imagine the nightmare of removing the ranked warzone coding hours before 1.2 releases. I'm unsubbing...not because ranked warzones aren't in 1.2...just because you are lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimchewie Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I don't even begin to understand how this could have happened--it is not if somebody came in and erased all the coding for ranked pvp. BW obviously does not understand how to "do" what they "say." In this world there are lots of things you can't control. Your WORD is one of few things you can. Please exercise that control. Sometimes its okay to come straight out say... "look we kno its a work in progress. we thank you for paying to play our beta... soo, because we said we'd do it... here it is--hot patch coming soon." How does one simply decide the day before the patch to remove content for basically half the user base? Are there not half the servers marked "pvp"? Whoever made that decision needs to be re-evaluated. They really fubar'd this bad boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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