1.2 really should have been 1.0

[Atredes]

Its not that hard to understand that there is no such thing as "early release" and there is no such thing as bug-free software, especially when it comes to complex ones, like an MMO. Try and think of ANY program you even installed on your computer and never got a single patch.

 

Heck, windows xp released 11 years ago, and they still get patched...

[Darka]

Every patch someone will state it should have been there at launch.

[Andryah]

Every patch someone will state it should have been there at launch.

 

Yep.

 

And, every time an MMO shuts down for good, someone will monkey-hop about how it should have been closed before it launched too.

 

It's the nature of complainers.

[rosseloh]

Yes, in an ideal world 1.2 would have been in on release. But I'd imagine that financially, Bioware/EA couldn't wait until April 2012 to release their game.

 

I expect they could have. EA is not a small company, and Bioware is pretty damn famous as well. This game had enough hype that it was guaranteed a ton of purchases, regardless of the time of year they released it. But the gaming industry is now driven more by profit and less by the developers who just want to create a fun game. A price to pay I guess, considering gaming NEEDS to be an industry to actually succeed.

As it stands, I don't think the CEO of EA is a gamer (at least in the sense of: rose to be a leader from a lowly position as designer/programmer/writer, what have you) - he's a businessman who has been CEO of companies that don't have anything to do with games in the past. He's not necessarily personally invested in how much people want a high quality product, but rather in profit margins from tons of medium/low quality products (disclaimer: facts taken from his profile on EA's website, opinions formed by ME). And I think that's a shame. A few executives, taking an interest in what their company actually does, might turn the rushed production trend I've seen over the last few years around.

Edited March 17, 2012 by rosseloh

[pixieish]

Let's see... I'd say every single MMO out there has been released before being fully finished, except...

 

...pretty much every PC game since the invention of an internet connection faster than carrier pigeons wielding vacuum tubes for your house sized computer has needed a critical patch after release.

[Optimism]

And 1.5 should have been 1.0 on the other game that everyone enjoys.

 

It only took them 7-8 months after release though but it's okay

[fungihoujo]

Welcome to mmos, where the game is a never ending beta.

 

Remember when WoW put siege in at launch? I mean, took five years to put in a feature they promised at launch?

 

3 months is nothing- and content will still keep on coming. Regardless- legacy was in at launch- last name, title, and earning points towards it. They never actually promised how much of it was there.

 

As for cars... there's a difference between buying something that you know is always still being built, like an mmo, than buying something that's already completely built, like a car. Out of curiousity, does your car get used 24 hours a day, by a million people? No? No wonder it doesn't need the maintenance. And I guess you never ever have to take your car into the shop, and it never gets any errors of any sort or needs to be fixed, right?

 

I also am assuming that car you got this year gets all of next year's upgrades for free, right? It continues to get more things added, more features, and runs smoother every day you drive it, right?

 

Seeing why your car analogy is broken yet?

 

I know I complain when I buy a bag of pretzels and they aren't sweet. Ice cream is sweet after all.

[Docsis]

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It's just the way it goes, even EQ1 was a buggy disaster in the beginning. I do agree though that BW should have launched with these features listed in 1.2 but thats like saying I wish we hadn't elected G.W. Bush as president... but it's too late now.

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I am sure you meant to type the name Obama, the current socialist-in-chief. How is that hope and change working out for ya?

[sjmc]

Anyone that wants an MMO that is "ready for release" should wait at least a year after launch. This has been true for pretty much every major MMO.

 

MMOs usually launch when they are "generally working" and then improve them over time.

 

SWTOR was "generally working" when it launched. It is working even better now.

 

For myself, I would sooner play what we have (even if there are bugs) rather than wait a year.

 

Would people have preferred that we did not have this game to play over Christmas while they continued to work on it?

[Miravlix]

Totally agree. Some people call it the "Jesus Patch" because it might save the game. The game shouldn't need saving at only three months in. But it will

 

No it isn't called the Jesus Patch because it may save the game, it's called the Jesus patch because it WALKS ON WATER. Thats quite a different thing.

[Deyjarl]

Welcome to every MMO

Stop. You had it right with just that. Even WoW had this problem.

[DieAlteHexe]

I sure wouldn't push out a unfinished product that would have a chance at pissing off players whom I would be counting on to make back my investment.

 

It's an MMO. MMOs are never finished. That's one of the good things about them.

[Pashgan]

Exactly.

 

My subscription ends today and I'm leaving the game with bitter taste and feeling I paid $60 for beta-test. Even 1.2 doesn't look like full release to me: there is no open world PvP (half of StarWars universe), there are no merc commendation rewards, no server transfers, no double spec, etc. etc. Game still not comfortable enough to continue subscription.

 

Release of half-finished game 3 months ago was a big mistake - on my server game already lost 3/4 of its population during just two months (from 350 ppl in fleet in January to barely 100 during peak hours now) and most of those who left obviously didn't like the game and will spread their bad attitude towards BW and the game for years - in blogs, on forums.

 

Also it was huge mistake to delay all changes to one big 1.2 patch 4 months after release instead of smaller weekly / monthly patches: there is no feeling of evolution within the game - just nerfes, minor bugfixes which obviously too slow and doesn't make game any more interesting.

Edited March 18, 2012 by Pashgan

[Varteras]

Oh man. If I had the drive to I would write down all of the crying and complaining about how terrible this all is and put check marks by each one of them that people are raging over now but then hushed like little babies when they finally get fed. Anyone else remember ability delays? That fire and brimstone topic from around 2 months ago that so many people claimed was going to destroy TOR and the few idiotic statements made about how it wasn't even something Bioware could fix because of the engine? The Kira romance bug even? Point being that for all of the moaning and groaning about what should have been and what will never be, once Bioware delivers these people will smile and enjoy it like the rest of us or run off to the next thing to complain about. I'd just like the list so I can come back and say, "Hey! Remember when you guys used to act like this? Good times!".

[Trolltar]

I love 1.2 The UI customization by itself is worth the price of admission.

 

If BW had released 1.2 as 1.0 I think the game would be on much more solid ground.

 

Not that there still wouldn't be lots of things to complain about. But such is the nature of MMO's. If you don't have a gripe with at least some aspects of the game you're not playing very much.