Rekios Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) This may come off as a rant, but whatever. Ok here are a bunch of facts about sages/sorcs. This is coming from someone who was gladiator multiple seasons in WoW. You don't have to like the game to know that means I have a skillset that roughly transfers to this game. The game is really really rocky for Sages in PVP (dps sages). Against a geared opponent a sage should lose a 1v1 vs every class that knows what they are doing. The two exceptions seem to be Snipers/gunslingers (abuse LoS) and Mercs/Troopers that spam tracer missile because they apparenty universally don't know how to fake cast (interupt tracer missile and they don't know what to do). I cannot explain to you how frustrating this game gets when I have a BM pyro powertech on me. My tele throw hits them for ~350 per tick ( I am not saying it hits like this on all classes) and I am in a mix of BM and Champ gear. On the other hand the Powertech can chain crit me for 4200-5k with rail shots with other skills like rocket punch critting me for 3k+. I am forced to cc and sprint away in almost every situation. Our single target dps seems to be terrible considering we have to stay mobile and kite or we will get steamrolled. The biggest problem in my mind causing this is the hybrid spec. The AOE dmg completely inflates our stats, and when you also consider we are almost always in combat casting our damage is actually low. The solution in my mind would have to be to buff top tier of tele and balance and break the hybrid spec. Additionally powertech pyro burst damage needs to be addressed Below is from a WZ today. You might think they are fake numbers but any sage that has faced geared BHs can confirm that the same happens to them. 4600, 3400, 4400, + 1-2k in dots. There are three powertechs I face on my server almost all the time that are able to do that to me in probably 3 seconds in almost all of our encounters. For the record I can to 2k in response. If I am lucky and have a pom proc I can do maybe ~4k. My only choice is to force lift and run and hope others target him. Before you comment: If you are sub 50 you're opinion doesn't really matter. Everyone knows casters are the least gear dependent so of course you have a problem with sages/sorcs. I don't care about your screenshot of a sorc doing 700k in a warzone. That's almost all AOE damage. Edited March 8, 2012 by Rekios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantomjchx Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You are definetly right mate,and NOT only Powertech full geared,im having problem and im forced to stun and force speed away v every class whoss geared like me and who know whats doing,this rly started to pissing me off,and even worse theere are R E T A R D S who even QQ about sorc/sages thats how the community is so suck...btw im sorcerer..but same problems..we definetly need some dps buff cause its good damn 2low...my higheast his is 2,5k *** cause everyone is in bm i feel like nothing,i feel like I cant do nothing but im very skilled player idd...i pwn eveyone of them idd but ALMOST.I want to say if another marauder/bh/Ia is same skilled like me they would **** me. I wish i've choose some other class....shadows seem to be very strong...idk but please buff sorc/sages cause im bored of running away and killing 1v1 situations where im like "omg that was so close" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KantaUO Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Now that people have more gear they are realizing how weak sorc sage dps is. I use to think sorc really were op... Got equal level gear and that lightening spam is a tickle now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellok Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yet the healing aspect for sage/sorc is nerfed 30% in pvp just saying...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Ricky Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 lol.. just 4get the 1v1 & keep aoe'ing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulukinatme Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yet the healing aspect for sage/sorc is nerfed 30% in pvp just saying...... ....you don't think they should remove that 30% do you? I seriously hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agemnon Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I have a healer sage and I can attest that so much is annoying like using force speed and it goes on cooldown but you didn't really get the benefit out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evuke Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) poor sorcs/sages, they must be terrible because hardly anyone pays them, it's like every 5 or 6 warzones that i even see another sorc/sage......they are that bad! imo sorcs/sages need buffs across the board: - bubble absorption increased from 3.5 k to 5k so we have a little bit better survivability. - project & telekenetic throw (and the sorc equivalents) need their dmg increased probably 2 fold and the cd needs to be reduced by 50%, so we have much better single target dps. - our base heal needs a 50% buff too so we can stand a chance when those PT's come at us. our aoe dmg seems fine and so does our aoe heals. Edited March 8, 2012 by Evuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tservo Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I agree about survivability - it should be boosted for sorc/sage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranNutz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Amen dude, I was having this exact conversation this morning and couldnt believe that nobody else was outraged at the broken (dps) Sorc/Sage class. Our only viable option in pvp is to run away? Which doesnt even work because people leap to us and root us even with full resolve bars. We also have absolutley no control worth a crap. So here is my burning question in caps for dramatic effect. WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FOR HAVING TO WEAR LIGHT ARMOR IF A HEAVY ARMOR CLASS CAN OUT DPS US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranNutz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) I wanna laugh really hard then kick a baby when people say that Sorc/Sage is OP. Edited March 8, 2012 by BranNutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantomjchx Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Amen dude, I was having this exact conversation this morning and couldnt believe that nobody else was outraged at the broken (dps) Sorc/Sage class. Our only viable option in pvp is to run away? Which doesnt even work because people leap to us and root us even with full resolve bars. We also have absolutley no control worth a crap. So here is my burning question in caps for dramatic effect. WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FOR HAVING TO WEAR LIGHT ARMOR IF A HEAVY ARMOR CLASS CAN OUT DPS US? Best question ever ,but seriously dude! Heavy armor can outdps lighting thats just SAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarfunkz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 When they pop their relics, adrenals, etc... cc, force run away, shield yourself... Why would you take it in the face. You are a clothie, you need to keep your head on a swivel... Oh yah, useful players have someone guarding them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarfunkz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 When they pop their relics, adrenals, etc... cc, force run away, shield yourself... Why would you take it in the face. You are a clothie, you need to keep your head on a swivel... Oh yah, useful players have someone guarding them... Heaven forbid you use a defensive adrenal... guess what, rail shot and high impact bolt are ranged attacks which means they can be heavily mitigated... Please keep in mind that pretty much everyone is gunning for a clothie sorc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggDirty Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Sages have the lowest single target damage in the game, that is a fact. However, we were designed this way on purpose. We have great utility, and our primary role is that of a support class. If we could keep up with the dps of marauders, mercenaries, operatives, snipers etc... then we WOULD be massively overpowered. If a glass cannon is what you're after, you chose the wrong class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetickone Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) pvp is so *********** broken in this game....its a cc fest, vast majority of dots arent cleansable, Ive constantly had a 50 percent healing debuff on me for the last 6 months because, well im infamous (which means in full BM or full rakata my st big heals hit for 1k, *********** nice), its unreal. Edited March 8, 2012 by Bluetickone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranNutz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Heaven forbid you use a defensive adrenal... guess what, rail shot and high impact bolt are ranged attacks which means they can be heavily mitigated... Please keep in mind that pretty much everyone is gunning for a clothie sorc... First of all adrenals are not the answer to sub-par DPS. I picked a clothie knowing i would die fast but expected my DPS to be inversely proportional and it is nothing close. Everyone guns for cloth sorcs because they know we dont hit hard and die fast. Think they would come after us if they knew we could burst them dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulkweazel Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 If you really think your class is bad, really, try playing a Sniper or Op. Stop whining. Sorcs have it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainInsano Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Amen dude, I was having this exact conversation this morning and couldnt believe that nobody else was outraged at the broken (dps) Sorc/Sage class. Our only viable option in pvp is to run away? Which doesnt even work because people leap to us and root us even with full resolve bars. We also have absolutley no control worth a crap. So here is my burning question in caps for dramatic effect. WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FOR HAVING TO WEAR LIGHT ARMOR IF A HEAVY ARMOR CLASS CAN OUT DPS US? Heals, utility, and ranged. I also doubt they out dps you, more like they can do more burst in certain situations. Sages have good burst under certain circumstances as well from the procs they can get. But most of you are probably right that Pyrotech burst is too high. To try to spin that to mean Sages are weak (lol) is just crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulukinatme Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) Leave the DPS to the DPS classes, and the support roles to the Sorcs/Sages <---Spoken as a Healing Sorc Edited March 8, 2012 by ulukinatme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojaix Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Hmm, I find this hard to believe! When I leave a WZ it is always (well not always but most of the time) that a sorcerer and sages are the top DPS and top heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetickone Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Hmm, I find this hard to believe! When I leave a WZ it is always (well not always but most of the time) that a sorcerer and sages are the top DPS and top heals. never happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culdor Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Mercs/Troopers that spam tracer missile because they apparenty universally don't know how to fake cast (interupt tracer missile and they don't know what to do). I love a sage talking about tracer/grav round like telekinetic throw is any different and in many ways worse. 99% of every sage/sorc in the game play by planting face on their channel ability button in exactly the same way grav/tracer is spammed and for exactly the same reasons. Sorry that you have a problem with power tech... you know like the rest of us do as well? If there was a tiny violin emoticon I would play you a sad song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reenolols Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) Sages have the lowest single target damage in the game, that is a fact. However, we were designed this way on purpose. We have great utility, and our primary role is that of a support class. /QUOTE] This is another retarded argument i hear every time, please tell me what this amazing utility is that we bring to the table that nobody else gets? A damage bubble that is stripped off in 1 hit every 20 seconds? Force speed? no wait assassins get that also. once every 60s stun? nope everyone gets that also. a pull that is only useable on friendly people that is only ever used in frogdog ball? Umm am i missing something? Where is the great utility? A marauders damage buff is a more useful utility than anything we have and they are the highest dps in the game? go figure. 30m snare and interrupt? Root on knockback that ignores all immunities regardless if kb works? 3s mez every time your shield breaks? Insta 45s cd 8s mez that stuns for 2 seconds upon damage? And while it's not exactly utility, perma 50% slowing a target while waiting for a 33% chance proc so you can insta 2500 aoe anyone around isn't strong? And yes, all this is available in imo, the best sorc dps spec. Sorcs/sages sustained is strong as hell, while they maintain a crazy amount of tools to survive. A good sorc should not ever die barring assist trains of GOOD dps on you. Your kb and shield mez can get you out of pretty much every assist train. Since day one I've believed sorcs/sages need no nerf whatsoever, same thing 3 months later. Good ones hurt and survive, bad ones don't.. just like every class. I posted this wall though cause you said they don't bring utility.. they bring a combination of everything that no one else has. Edited March 8, 2012 by Reenolols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulkweazel Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) Sages have the lowest single target damage in the game, that is a fact. However, we were designed this way on purpose. We have great utility, and our primary role is that of a support class. /QUOTE] This is another retarded argument i hear every time, please tell me what this amazing utility is that we bring to the table that nobody else gets? A damage bubble that is stripped off in 1 hit every 20 seconds? Force speed? no wait assassins get that also. once every 60s stun? nope everyone gets that also. a pull that is only useable on friendly people that is only ever used in frogdog ball? Umm am i missing something? Where is the great utility? A marauders damage buff is a more useful utility than anything we have and they are the highest dps in the game? go figure.Okay fine. Let's compare their bubble to the one Ops get. Static Barrier - 20 sec cooldown, usable on anyone Shield Probe - 45 second cooldown, only usable on Op So what the heck are you whining about? Now what else are you missing? What about AoE KNOCKBACK ROOT. On a 20 second cooldown. The strongest heals out of the three heal classes. Main attack also a 50% slow. Honestly, Sorcs should have NO RIGHT to whine about their class. Do you know what this looks like to the rest of us? It's like the rich kid who complains he doesn't know which toy he should play with. Quit whining. Edited March 8, 2012 by hulkweazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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