mefit Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Palpitine who most say is pure darkside never killed children but Vadar did and without hesitation . To me killing kids is a ultimate act of evil and unredeemable . Now given that Palpitine did kill his own Mother , Father , and Sister at a young age ! He did send Vadar to teh Temple but Vadar personally killed those kids . My opinion Vadar is far more evil in his own selfish path than any Sithlord to ever had lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Sidious was the mastermind of the entire thing, he was the Dark Side, Vader was corrupted and obviously wasn't Anakin any more, Sidious would have gladly walked into that room and tortured those younglings with lightning for hours on end if he wasn't bringing the extermination of the entire 15,000+ strong Jedi Order to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riotus Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Palpitine who most say is pure darkside never killed children but Vadar did and without hesitation . To me killing kids is a ultimate act of evil and unredeemable . Now given that Palpitine did kill his own Mother , Father , and Sister at a young age ! He did send Vadar to teh Temple but Vadar personally killed those kids . My opinion Vadar is far more evil in his own selfish path than any Sithlord to ever had lived. ordering the destruction of an entire planet filled with billions of people > slaughtering children Also note: Vader was redeemed in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mefit Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 ordering the destruction of an entire planet filled with billions of people > slaughtering children Also note: Vader was redeemed in the end. In his death and it is all how you look at it ! Redeemed also means forgiveness but being Jedi are forgiving people I guess that would be a point to Vadar. Killing from a distance and killing people with your own hands is different being its more personal when its with your own hands ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mefit Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Only cowards kill children ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartanik Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 for the last Time it isnt VADAR IS VADER. And palpatine surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysam Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Sidious is the enbodiement of the Dark side, vador is only an instrument in sidious master plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battilea Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Palpatine is a politician. Therefore, far more evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIFE_STEALER Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 yeah, Palpatine is the one, Vader did it for padme all along. He thinks that to learn the dark side is to prevent people from dying. Palpatine could have killed those kids for no reason at all. just my simple opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysam Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 yeah, Palpatine is the one, Vader did it for padme all along. He thinks that to learn the dark side is to prevent people from dying. Palpatine could have killed those kids for no reason at all. just my simple opinion. Well even a Sith would not kill someone without a reason. They are just punishing weaks, killing if they get offended and when in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 The ROTS Novel explains just how evil Palps really was. Palps was literally thinking about cooking Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhonos Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Palpatine is a politician. Therefore, far more evil. Thought this was hilarious. Thank you for the laugh! I have another, historical question that might help you answer this Star Wars question. Is Hitler despicable and ridiculously evil despite the fact that he never actually killed anyone himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadsithdread Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 The ROTS Novel explains just how evil Palps really was. Palps was literally thinking about cooking Yoda. sorry i sold him "how to cook a yoda" book last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthBloodloss Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Was Vadar more evil than Palpitine ? No. Here are more letter so my post is 5 characters long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puctaman Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 In his death and it is all how you look at it ! Redeemed also means forgiveness but being Jedi are forgiving people I guess that would be a point to Vadar. Killing from a distance and killing people with your own hands is different being its more personal when its with your own hands ! Does that mean German troops were more evil then Hitler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowfatto Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Well even a Sith would not kill someone without a reason. They are just punishing weaks, killing if they get offended and when in danger. No humans would be left on earth if everyone killed someone for being offended. That's why the Sith always have so many problems, they take offense too easily. Edited March 7, 2012 by Yowfatto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLonelyTusken Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Palpatine was like, the incarnation of the Star Wars devil, it's kind of a shame they didn't show how evil he really was in the movies, but that was probably to maintain his "behind the scenes scheming" look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisusOcculo Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 It's subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttdub Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I don't get why vader stayed evil. He had no one to use the dark side to save. I guess he just wanted to do whatever he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan_K Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I don't get why vader stayed evil. He had no one to use the dark side to save. I guess he just wanted to do whatever he wanted. He stayed because Palpatine was the only person he had left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemmingLeader Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Darth Vader, if you really got down to it, was only an instrument of Darth Sidious. Now, Sidious? He was a genius but did whatever was necessary to achieve his goals. To achieve as the sole Sith Lord to literally take over the Republic, transform it into the Galactic Empire, and utterly destroying the long hated nemesis, the Jedi Order? He had no problems of betrayal, i.e. killing the CIS leadership on Mustafar, forsaking Darth Tyrannus (Dooku's eyes were in total shock that Sidious would have him killed), and he even was willing to sacrifice Darth Vader to gain Luke Skywalker as his new apprentice. Of course, he had no problems to scheme the entire plan of forming the CIS, the Clone Wars, and large disposable armies between the CIS and Republic to wage a terrible galactic war. How many people died during the Clone Wars? How many non-combatants? How many planets reduced to ash by the Republic and CIS? This was all part of his plan on clouding events to mask himself from the Jedi Order, which worked perfectly. He was standing in front of their faces! He must have had alot of satisfying laughter from that alone. Darth Vader was a ******, but merely the supreme agent of Sidious, and a vicious one at that. But more evil than Sidious? No way. Not even by a galaxy wide margin. Sidious was far more dark, far more evil than Vader ever was. =========== Darth Sidious should also stand, IMO, as the greatest Sith Lord we've ever seen. As a Sith Lord, he didn't have a "Sith Empire" with the agents and military power to go alongside it. He didn't immediately have the war machine of the Galactic Empire. He didn't have academies of disposable Sith acolytes, apprentices, etc. What Darth Sidious DID have, was patience, outstanding planning, charisma, and perfect manipulation, as well as a great understanding of the Force and Dark Side. With little resources, he took over the Republic and destroyed the Jedi Order, and established the Galactic Empire. He may not have been the best or flashiest with the Lightsaber, but he has accomplished what no Sith Lord has ever done before or afterwards: Overcoming completely the Republic and destroying the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNEAKYSIX Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Vader was not Evil he was corrupted by the dark side, he was conflicted..... an analogy maybe (You make a friend, the friend introduces you to his friends, his friends are a gang, they do illegal stuff. They offer you daring lifestyle, you resist but maybe are seduced by its rush. After spending more and more time its harder to leave, it becomes your way of life). Vader expressed and felt conflict when Luke came onto the scene. He had been around evil for so long it become his way of life as there was nothing to challenge that belief. another analogy into the psychological aspect (Possible some terrorists are seduced by fanatics when they are picked up at a vulnerable part their life. In an absence of structure in home life they are introduced to a new family, a family of believes and code and order. Brain washed daily into becoming something they once were not until they become a used weapon for destruction) Vader lost his mother, had visions of losing Padame, the hope that he could have power to restore life seduced him to the dark side. His good intentions corrupted by a manipulator knowing Anakin sufferd from abandonment issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag_Stratos Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 So what the op is saying is that the SS army was more evil than Hitler because let's face it, Hitler himself didn't do all those things to the world, it was his soldiers that obeyed him. So if I want to kill children but not be marked as the evil guy, I should just hire an evil guy. That logic scares me and for good reasons. To me, it seems the OP is trying to wash off an evil act by telling himself, hey, I didn't actually do it. I simply ordered someone to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riotus Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Killing from a distance and killing people with your own hands is different being its more personal when its with your own hands ! Well thats just like, your opinion, man.... If I were to attempt to hire an assassain to kill someone I would be charged with the same crime as the person that commited it. ordering someones death = killing somoene your still killing them just the same in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blotter Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Vader essentially has his redemption moment in the end, so I'm going with John MCain...errrm...I mean Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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