Troublmaker Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I got directed here by a guild mate because apparently one of my articles has been pressed as a forum topic. I should note that the discussion taking place on the forum has nothing to do with my article. The discussion is something along the lines of whether the game is failing now and uses unreliable ad hoc evidence. I in no way make the claim that SWTOR is not losing subscribers and is not having a shrinking population. I have no opinion on this matter because there is no reliable data on this. I am merely saying in my OPENING to my argument that the population of SWTOR isn't nose diving. The article I published discusses what will cause that nose dive. I illustrate four total causes in the context of SWTOR: Late first updateNewer better gameChange in Dev StaffGuild Summit I'm not saying the game is crashing and burning nor am I saying the game is doing amazingly, I am merely listing out what will cause a crash and burn based on a long history of past MMO releases. On newer and better games I suggest that neither Guild Wars 2 nor TERA are really a threat to SWTOR and that the only games that can hurt SWTOR badly are Pandaria and The Secret World. I lay all of this out on the article. I think a forum crowd are too easily responding to titles or opening paragraphs instead of reading the whole thing. If you read and interpret the opening paragraph I am merely saying that former WoW players spread misinformation and hate at every turn because they are searching for a perfect nonexistent game in the same way former Halo 3 players will hate on every single shooter that comes out. I've sent a request to the moderators to take this post down because it is flaming and flame bait. If it was discussing the contents of my article that'd be fine but it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansultares Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 People who quit Halo 3 are worse. People who quit Halo 3 end up looking for a game that simply does not exist.Made me laugh, as I'll admit it may describe me in regards to vanilla WoW. Fortunately, just because that game doesn't exist now, does not mean it won't be developed some day. Just because developers insist on taking three steps backwards for every one to two steps forward, does not mean they won't stumble upon it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limedust Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It's better than SWG and that lasted, I think, 8 years. so, I'll guess around 2020. Pretty much thats why I'll never go there. It's not nearly as good as SWG, in my opinion. F2P in 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickyickytricky Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I got directed here by a guild mate because apparently one of my articles has been pressed as a forum topic. I've sent a request to the moderators to take this post down because it is flaming and flame bait. If it was discussing the contents of my article that'd be fine but it is not. Most forums are derailed sooner or later, this one is derailed! I think your last statement is against the TOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 That's when it dropped, not when it will fall. There's a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutsInAName Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) I got directed here by a guild mate because apparently one of my articles has been pressed as a forum topic. I should note that the discussion taking place on the forum has nothing to do with my article. The discussion is something along the lines of whether the game is failing now and uses unreliable ad hoc evidence. I in no way make the claim that SWTOR is not losing subscribers and is not having a shrinking population. I have no opinion on this matter because there is no reliable data on this. I am merely saying in my OPENING to my argument that the population of SWTOR isn't nose diving. The article I published discusses what will cause that nose dive. I illustrate four total causes in the context of SWTOR: Late first updateNewer better gameChange in Dev StaffGuild Summit I'm not saying the game is crashing and burning nor am I saying the game is doing amazingly, I am merely listing out what will cause a crash and burn based on a long history of past MMO releases. On newer and better games I suggest that neither Guild Wars 2 nor TERA are really a threat to SWTOR and that the only games that can hurt SWTOR badly are Pandaria and The Secret World. I lay all of this out on the article. I think a forum crowd are too easily responding to titles or opening paragraphs instead of reading the whole thing. If you read and interpret the opening paragraph I am merely saying that former WoW players spread misinformation and hate at every turn because they are searching for a perfect nonexistent game in the same way former Halo 3 players will hate on every single shooter that comes out. I've sent a request to the moderators to take this post down because it is flaming and flame bait. If it was discussing the contents of my article that'd be fine but it is not. If that is your article... your research is JUNK!. While I agree swtor will fail for the reason your listed....and it will. Quoted from article: "Rift launched with no raids. Warhammer Online had one raid dungeon. Age of Conan had one raid dungeon. Everquest had one world boss" Rift has raids at lauch and raid level rifts. EQ2 had 2 full raids. Vox and Nagafen and those zone were(perma and sol) considered raid content by todays standards. Not to mention the planes were available before the majority hit 50. Everyone and thier grandma already hit 50 in swtor and even some alts too. You need to research stuff before publishing it, you will never make it as an actual writer without doing so. especially online. Edited March 1, 2012 by WutsInAName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtrim Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 To anyone saying that people who leave WoW are looking for a game that doesn't exist, I'd like to clarify something. It would be more accurate to say that, for most who leave WoW, they're looking for a game that *no longer* exists: specifically, vanilla/BC era WoW. It isn't that such a game couldn't be made again; rather, it's simply highly unlikely that another game with that mindset will be released and succeed. I say this because I left WoW and I'm looking for a game that no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthAcerbus Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Whenever the Guild Wars 2 devs decide to release that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinfulace Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daluu Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) I'm so tired of the naysayers. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS GAME LEAVE. IF YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM TO HELP BW MAKE THE GAME MORE FUN FOR YOU, FEEL FREE TO LEAVE IT. This game is fun, and it won't be "falling" any time soon, so shut it. Whats the point of constructive criticism? Its not like BW listens to the community... Oh, and unless 1.2 is absolutely amazing, a LOT of people will be leaving. And when GW2 and Tera come out, a LOT more will leave. BW hasn't given most regular MMO players a reason to stay(there are so many reasons that affect numerous players), so while this game may not fail, it will fall to the wayside. Edited March 2, 2012 by Daluu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blavatsky Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 December 21st 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krinaman Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Whats the point of constructive criticism? Its not like BW listens to the community... So just leave then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daluu Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 So just leave then? I payed 15 bucks, might as well get something out of it...even if it doesn't involve playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blavatsky Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I payed 15 bucks, might as well get something out of it...even if it doesn't involve playing the game. can voice your opinion be it good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSS- Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 To anyone saying that people who leave WoW are looking for a game that doesn't exist, I'd like to clarify something. It would be more accurate to say that, for most who leave WoW, they're looking for a game that *no longer* exists: specifically, vanilla/BC era WoW. It isn't that such a game couldn't be made again; rather, it's simply highly unlikely that another game with that mindset will be released and succeed. I say this because I left WoW and I'm looking for a game that no longer exists. umm, some of us are just looking for a game that isn't WoW. I mean really, why grind DS for a year waiting on pandas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daluu Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 umm, some of us are just looking for a game that isn't WoW. I mean really, why grind DS for a year waiting on pandas. Don't. Play Rift, its PvE is way better than WoWs or ToRs. Though it takes a little more effort, not for the casual gamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lymphangioma Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Personally, I'm TRULY convinced that 'The Old Republic' will continue to have a thriving Community for years to come. Like many individuals, I've been an avid fan of both KOTOR and KOTOR2 since their inception, and have been ANXIOUSLY awaiting for this recent installment (TOR) since it was first announced years ago. Needless to say, everything about this title has ultimately exceeded my expectations to the fullest - and while not perfect (after all, what game is?), the entire experience has been an extremely WORTHY follow-up in the series and has provided me with COUNTLESS hours of RPG / MMO enjoyment thus far. As a 33 years old gamer who's been gaming for decades, it's strange to think that 'The Old Republic' has been my "relatively" first MMO ever. Don't get me wrong, I've been a HUGE fan of RPG's since the first KOTOR back in 2003, and have slightly dabbled in 'World of Warcraft'. Unfortunately, there hasn't been any MMO's that have essentially made me a follower... that is, until now. One thing that works to my advantage with 'SWTOR', is that I'm MAINLY playing this game as a single-player RPG first-and-foremost - while considering all the various MMO / multiplayer aspects a mere bonus of sorts. Many folks have obviously criticized this title because it's more reminiscent of a solo experience at its core, with an MMO shell... and it's those gamers whom are less likely to actually stick around in the coming months / years. Thankfully however, the TRUE Star Wars / KOTOR fans that have been around since the beginning, will UNQUESTIONABLY have their hands full. After all, the overall scope of this title is HUGE (nearly 8 times the size of KOTOR), and most fans will be interested in experiencing what each Class story-line has to offer. Not to mention, most folks (with real-life responsibilities) only get to play in moderation - and therefore, won't be tapping through this game's content any time soon. All in all, 'TOR' is going to attract a plethora of diverse gamers (already has). With that being said, anything Star Wars related is likely to garner a HUGE following, and Bioware has a solid track record with releasing exceptional interactive experiences. While it's doubtful this game will ever overtake 'WOW' (for example), it still offers a unique world to explore - and the single-player affair alone (being top-notch) is still enough to make the monthly fee worth-while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSS- Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Whats the point of constructive criticism? Its not like BW listens to the community... QUOTE] Which "community" should they listen to? The community that wants LFG or the community that doesn't? The community that wants addons or the community that doesn't? The community that wants .... you get the idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSS- Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Don't. Play Rift, its PvE is way better than WoWs or ToRs. Though it takes a little more effort, not for the casual gamer I played. Its far more like WoW than this game is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blavatsky Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I played. Its far more like WoW than this game is. gonna disagree here. Rift is a much better game than WoW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 EA doesn't get the full retail box price. More like half. They do on all Origin digital sales. Further more, there is no production cost, so it's straight profit after administrative costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSS- Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 gonna disagree here. Rift is a much better game than WoW Technically, I didn't say one was better than the other ...but that is a discussion for a different website I imagine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratulor Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 If they were steadily losing customers, would they really be releasing content of this scale so early? When on the fleet, I constantly see new people getting their AC figured out or looking for someone to run Black Talon with them. And by constantly, I mean that literally. People are investing the time to gear themselves up for operations. In the game, I haven't heard the "this game is gonna fail bad i'm a going back to wow this sucks". Popluation on the fleet averages at 180 and warzone queues are usually short. It's quick and easy to find groups for flashpoints and heroics. Shortly after early access, it was very hard to find groups for simple heroics. Now you get a group within minutes. I formed an ops group of 16 players on Coruscant to attempt the world boss in about 5 minutes. That's on one server. People often compare this game's numbers to WoW very often, which is very unfair. SWTOR is two months old! WoW has been around for nearly ten years. Two months in, did WoW have a huge population on all servers with end gamers running around all over the place? I doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daluu Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) Two months in, did WoW have a huge population on all servers with end gamers running around all over the place? I doubt that. No, bc Vanilla WoW wasn't a care bear casual game. And I am tired of people comparing this game to Vanilla WoW. The genre was very young then, and a lot of the mistakes blizzard made were new to the genre. The problems most people have with this game are things that have already been addressed in other MMOs and its very reasonable to expect BW to have learned from the history of the genre instead of making the same mistakes.....and taking longer to fix them. (Longer as in, most of the problems we see on live realms were reported time and again in Beta without ever being addressed.) Edited March 2, 2012 by Daluu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blavatsky Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) No, bc Vanilla WoW wasn't a care bear casual game. And I am tired of people comparing this game to Vanilla WoW. The genre was very young then, and a lot of the mistakes blizzard made were new to the genre. The problems most people have with this game are things that have already been addressed in other MMOs and its very reasonable to expect BW to have learned from the history of the genre instead of making the same mistakes.....and taking longer to fix them. (Longer as in, most of the problems we see on live realms were reported time and again in Beta without ever being addressed.) I disagree as an MMO fan preWOW i thought blizzard considered mistakes of earlier games and launched a game that considered those mistakes and acted to address them and still does. Also, WoW then and now does seem very easy in the basic player vs environment sense. Can argue all you want about how difficult hard mode raids are or even vanilla era raids but that is and remains a very small portion of the game. The player in WoW has always had an advantage over the environment , meaning that any class could solo to max level because the average mob and quest did not require a group . This if anything was WoW early , primary innovation. This was not the case pre wow and WoW did not launch during an era when the Genre was young, WoW was the next step in MMO yes, but hardly the first. P.S. do agree though that BW seems to have not considered certain MMO standards in the markeplace now. Dual spec, combat log, custom ui, LFG tool be they crosserver or not . on and on. having fun either way Edited March 2, 2012 by Blavatsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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