YoshiRaphElan Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Anyone who says that the Sith Empire will win this war based on Palpatine's "thousand years" line has never read the Darth Bane novels. The reason he said that is because of a little thing called the Ruusan Reformation. Basically what happened was, after Jedi Master Hoth and 100 other Jedi sacrificed themself to defeat the Sith once and for all. when the Jedi died, Darth Bane escaped and took his own apprentice, creating the Rule of Two that we see on the movies. The Republic Chancellor, meanwhile, ordered the Jedi to disband their Army of Light, and they agreed. The Chancellor made the Ruusan Reformation, which basically remade the Republic. It transformed from "The Old Republic" into "The Galactic Republic." Hence why Palpatine says "a thousand years." The Republic itself stood for longer than 1000 years, but the current government seen at Palpatine's time had stood for a thousand years. So the Sith Empire will likely be defeated in this game, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SveinEternity Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) So let me get this straight..... We dont know what happens to the Empire but we can guess they win against the Republic ,however they merge into Republic society. But, what happens to the Emperor? Edited February 20, 2012 by SveinEternity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMaximum Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Sith are stupid. Simple as that really. How to make the Empire last forever: Step One: Remove the Sith Step Two: Put the Imperials in charge Step Three: Change 'Empire' to: Galactic Republic Step Four: Preach peace and galactic unity The creation of Empires does not need magical people that hurl lightning to work and the Sith / Jedi often screw things up for both sides with their eternal religious warfare. i know i jumped into the conv early, but i disagree about the empire and the sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMaximum Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 After a unknown interim period, Lord Khan forms the Brotherhood of Darkness, a Sith Order. They have Korriban and eschew the title of 'Darth". They were at war with the Republic... Then a man named Darth Bane comes along... and (no offense) it's Lord Kaan not Khan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadtoArkham Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 and (no offense) it's Lord Kaan not Khan It's cool lol. I was just remembering off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbathius Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! Too many sucky Republic players rerolled Empire and destroyed the Sith from inside. At least that's what seems to be happening on my server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneRebel Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) There's a lot of interesting theories as to how the Galactic Cold War will turn out, whether the Empire or the Republic will win, and so on... In the end, all we know is that there is currently a gap in the Star Wars canon for this time period. If you go to Wookieepedia and research the SW universe's timeline, you'll see that there's currently a large blank gap between the Cold War (the setting of TOR, c. 3600 BBY) and the New Sith Wars (c. 2000-1000 BBY). That's 1600 years of SW history that still have to be filled in. 1600 years is a lot of time for things to happen. Edited February 20, 2012 by LoneRebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldWestHero Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Sith are stupid. Simple as that really. How to make the Empire last forever: Step One: Remove the Sith Step Two: Put the Imperials in charge Step Three: Change 'Empire' to: Galactic Republic Step Four: Preach peace and galactic unity The creation of Empires does not need magical people that hurl lightning to work and the Sith / Jedi often screw things up for both sides with their eternal religious warfare. Thank you. "oh, the sith are so bad ***!" No, they are inefficient and idiotic -- at least the Jedi have the common sense to maintain some kind of logical leadership structure, even if its not always the wisest you don't have a bunch of overgrown children with super powers brawling in the playground to decide who's the leader... The Rule of Two is a chief example of how ridiculous the sith and their politics are: If the only way your clan/guild/brotherhood/whatever can exist is when you kill off everyone and make a rule where there can only be two members at any given time -- OBVIOUSLY there's a serious problem. Edited February 20, 2012 by OldWestHero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZettaZonvolt Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The Rule of Two is retroactively interesting if you think about it. Bane got the Rule of Two from a Sith Holocron of Darth Revan. The same Revan we now know was being controlled by the Sith Emperor at that time. Did the Sith Emperor thus create the rule knowing that eventually it would lead the Sith to victory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZettaZonvolt Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Anyone who says that the Sith Empire will win this war based on Palpatine's "thousand years" line has never read the Darth Bane novels. The reason he said that is because of a little thing called the Ruusan Reformation. Basically what happened was, after Jedi Master Hoth and 100 other Jedi sacrificed themself to defeat the Sith once and for all. when the Jedi died, Darth Bane escaped and took his own apprentice, creating the Rule of Two that we see on the movies. The Republic Chancellor, meanwhile, ordered the Jedi to disband their Army of Light, and they agreed. The Chancellor made the Ruusan Reformation, which basically remade the Republic. It transformed from "The Old Republic" into "The Galactic Republic." Hence why Palpatine says "a thousand years." The Republic itself stood for longer than 1000 years, but the current government seen at Palpatine's time had stood for a thousand years. So the Sith Empire will likely be defeated in this game, IMO. The Ruusan Reformation happened after a completely different Sith War. The one against the Brotherhood of Darkness. They have no bearing on this. What we know is that Kaan and his brotherhood reconquered Korriban. Whatever happened completely removed the presence of the Sith Empire from the planet. Either the Sith lost control of the Empire and the other Empirials became part of the Republic (which would explain why the Imperial accent in TOR is the same as the Coruscantian accent the Galactic Republic) or something else destroyed the presence of the Sith Empire utterly on the planet. And considering this is the seat of the Dark Council, this would have to be major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 That's the same Darth Sidious who then went on to create the resistance as a failed ploy to get rid of any opposed to his rule in a single play and decided to turn his back on Vader as he tortured his son, right? Intelligence breeds arrogance. This efficient civilisation was the one that was involved in killing and enslaving untold numbers of people. It completely annihilated the corruption in the senate and then destroyed the senate the single reason the Republic took so long to answer any threat, it turned the galaxy into one massive war machine, it might not have been an empire for good, but it was still the single most efficient civilization since the Infinite Rakatan Empire. He got lucky because the Jedi were arrogant. Yoda and Obi-Wan learnt humility when they realised how successfully they were outplayed by Sidious. They weren't arrogant, they just fell into inaction, they hadn't dealt with any serious threat for a thousand years, they had nothing to test themselves against, it's why the Sith Empire so easily invaded an entire third of republic space with next to resistance. The Sith are a self-centered organisation and splinter into different factions at regular intervals (at the first sign of the emperor's madness the council revolts, gets wiped out and reformed, after a pretty successful war peace is made at which point they resort to infighting which never entirely ceases when the war restarts, the emperor gets "killed" [not sure how permanent that is yet!] and someone else declares himself the ruler of a breakaway faction). The Republic becomes stagnant and pacifist, just as the Sith become paranoid and arrogant, neither of them are perfect, otherwise neither of them would ever lose, they can exploit each other's inevitable weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montiphus Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hate to spoil things...but this is just make believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDeschain Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 No one knows yet, the events that take place 1,000 years before the movies with Bane have nothing to do with this game and what takes place between the games empire and republic. The old republic is the entire republic right up until Sidious makes it the first Galactic Empire. In the EU world when the rebels beat the empire its then called The New Republic lead by Lukes new Jedi Order. So no one knows what happens, this is specifically why BW created the game in this period so they have a blank canvas to story write with. Even the events from the game up until Banes time is a difference of 2600 years! And in Banes time the Sith are numerous, not as the empire they were in the game but nevertheless the had an army and thousands of sith. Its pretty apparent that no side actually wins the war and is totally defeated (much like you see happening in the movies from both sides, PT the republic and jedi demolished, the OT the empire and sith demolished), the sith are not destroyed in this game nor the jedi. There are no books to specify what happens so BW has all the flexibilities to do as they see fit with the story and war. Guess we all just have to wait and find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) No one knows yet, the events that take place 1,000 years before the movies with Bane have nothing to do with this game and what takes place between the games empire and republic. The old republic is the entire republic right up until Sidious makes it the first Galactic Empire. In the EU world when the rebels beat the empire its then called The New Republic lead by Lukes new Jedi Order. So no one knows what happens, this is specifically why BW created the game in this period so they have a blank canvas to story write with. Even the events from the game up until Banes time is a difference of 2600 years! And in Banes time the Sith are numerous, not as the empire they were in the game but nevertheless the had an army and thousands of sith. Its pretty apparent that no side actually wins the war and is totally defeated (much like you see happening in the movies from both sides, PT the republic and jedi demolished, the OT the empire and sith demolished), the sith are not destroyed in this game nor the jedi. There are no books to specify what happens so BW has all the flexibilities to do as they see fit with the story and war. Guess we all just have to wait and find out You musnt know much about the lore, they dont have 2600 years. They got somewhere between 100-500 years and the Republic/jedi is still intact while explained its in a "time of peace". The dark lord of that era doesnt have any affiliation to the Sith Empire. We will get our answer anyway in about 10 months, Drew K is writing a novel that happens directly somewhat after the events of the TOR game thats being released in fall 2012. It doesnt really make any sort of sense if the Sith won the war though. Edited February 20, 2012 by Girdeux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDeschain Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 You musnt know much about the lore, they dont have 2600 years. They got somewhere between 100-500 years and the Republic/jedi is still intact while explained its in a "time of peace". The dark lord of that era doesnt have any affiliation to the Sith Empire. We will get our answer anyway in about 10 months, Drew K is writing a novel that happens directly somewhat after the events of the TOR game thats being released in fall 2012. It doesnt really make any sort of sense if the Sith won the war though. You must of misunderstood what i meant by 2600 years. I simply was correcting the people who all thought the bane events have anything to do with this games events. The difference in time from the events in this game to the events with bane is 2600 years. So tell me how does that mean i dont know the lore? Ive actually read upwards of about 60 SW novels so I think i may know a thing or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Its kind of obvious the "Old Republic" absorbs the Imperial Empire and the Sith are left to obscurity. When the (terrible) prequels happen, you can see all the empire technology being used by the republic. The star destroyers, tie fighters, etc. The rebel worlds split away from Darth Sidious's plan to form the Galactic Empire. They form the Rebel Alliance. Edited February 20, 2012 by Arkerus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haajib Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 It basicly ends with the sith destroying each other for more power, masters murder masters, aprentices murder masters, younglings murder aprentices. and aprentices dont have anyone to teach them the dark side of the force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunhavaname Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 By being stupid. It's a wonder how they even got this far in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 simple really, Q: how much does it take to kill the sith A: THE ENTIRE REPUBLIC Q: how much does it take to destroy the republic, jedi and all possible power in the galaxy A: ONE ELDERLY SITH (Darth Sidious) be honest, if one can do the job why would you need any more then 2 lol SITH FTW How much does it take to destroy the sith? Just the sith would do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idunhavaname Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Galactic Republic (the one that appears after TOR). http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic Our Sith Empire. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire_(Post%E2%80%93Great_Hyperspace_War) Compare the symbols. Now look at the symbol for the current Republic in TOR. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110601202149/starwars/images/thumb/b/bc/StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg/418px-StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg.png It doesn't take a genius to see that the Sith Empire is probably not gonna be beaten. First the Republic did not get their symbol from Sith Empires. They copied the Bendu symbol to express unity. Second, the OP is talking about Sith Empire sith (the ******* down syndrome sith) not Bane or Palpatine sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Here's a better question: How does the Republic get defeated in the Old Republic? We know the Republic loses, else it wouldn't be known as the Old Republic. Old Republic implies that the Republic was destroyed and a new one, the one we see in episodes 1 - 3, took its place. Before you argue that it's just called the Old Republic because it happened 3000 years before the films and so is pretty old keep in mind that the Republic in the Old Republic has been around for 20,000 years but they don't refer to the Republic that existed thousands of years before them as the Old Republic. The fact that there's a distinction between the Old Republic and the new Republic we see in the films implies that something happened to interupt the life cycle of the original Republic, it didn't just carry on straight up to the films. Incorrect. Remember in the Thrawn Trilogy hwen Luke looks up Palps and it states "Chancellor of the Old Republic" Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) and (no offense) it's Lord Kaan not Khan That would be awesome... Lord Kahn. And when Bane gets angry and storms out of the Academy I want him to scream "Kahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhn!" ^Nerd moment. Edited February 21, 2012 by BrandonSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Second, the OP is talking about Sith Empire sith (the ******* down syndrome sith) not Bane or Palpatine sith. Funnily enough both Lord Bane and Lord Sidious look up to the Sith Empire and wish for something similar, this is revealed in Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side, and claim it was one of the most successful incarnations of the Sith Order ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mefit Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Sith are self distructive , the smarter ones live for longtime while the dummies die quick killing eachother . Sith Warrior story , tells it all . Rule of 2 has them killing eachother off for the greed of being the BOSS , this is why the Brotherhood was against it and so was later Sith Leaders . If the Sith truely believed in Order , the Empire would been unstoppable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SveinEternity Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 What ive noticed is that in the Sith stories the Sith are fighting amongst themselves but it looks like the Empire has stronger figures replacing the last ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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