Yokopocket Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Would be nice for the champion set to be renamed "centurion", and put the BM as champion, then make a new set that will be named BM ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiyah Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Not a welcomed change, I have opened countless champion bags and obtained 4 items. It is already an annoyance that some are favoured randomly whilst others are struggling with RNG. Consistency should have been offered from the beginning, don't hit the brake pedal now because it was not right and penalise the people who have already struggled with the RNG of the tokens. Learn from this for the next gear offering. Or better yet, offer a quarter of a token each bag, when you have opened 4 you get a complete token, or increase it to 6 or 8 if that is too easy, throw away the RNG and give people real consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyelids Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Oh my, this is bad. So bad. So BW, if you really listen to your customers like you said in that "coming up in swtor" video, then do not implement this change. Are you guys drunk there? What are you thinking? ARE you thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adwynyth Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yep. People will ***** about anything. BioWare: "Okay. We made (a change, any change)." PvPers: "GAAAAH! RAGEQUIT! You're incompetent!" (rinse, repeat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadda Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Less RNG is exactly what people were asking for, thats what is being given. Besides the gear is there for those who want to EARN it. Getting more commendations makes life easier..not harder.. (BM commendations are a good example, no duplicates, takes 3 tokens to get the most expensive part, beats RNG duplicates) Just bite the bullet and grind out Valor 60 and you EARN your BM and Champ tokens AND fill in gaps in gear fairly quickly.... Its not that hard to ..just queue and grind out medals. Keep in mind those who made BM legitly *earned it*...(without the spawn camp exploit in ilum which BW has said will be punished once they review logs and confirm participants). Those who havnt done the BM grind will learn exactly what current BM's already know... when they do the 58-60 grind theyll will gain a new respect for the grind from hell .. and realise why BM gear is earned, not given away. Edited February 2, 2012 by blackadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AetherMcLoud Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Less RNG is exactly what people were asking for, thats what is being given. Besides the gear is there for those who want to EARN it, tokens make life easier..not harder.. Just bite the bullet and grind out Valor 60... its not that hard to do# Centurion gear never had RNG, they simply made it faster to obtain (though nobody wants it because it's worse than PVE gear). Champion gear was RNG, and will have EVEN MORE RNG with this change. This is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallensbane Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is even worse when you consider how friggin time consuming getting daily/weekly pvp missions done when the game has become PVB (Player vs box) to gather armaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictimOfMyRage Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 BioWare: "Okay. We made (a change, any change)." PvPers: "GAAAAH! RAGEQUIT! You're incompetent!" (rinse, repeat) Do you even have any point? 'cause it seems you have no *********** idea wth you're talking about. random noob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugumbamamba Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'd agree with this change if champion bags dropped champion commendations! why the hell there is no centurion bag for the centurion commendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalthorr Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Why are they named champion bags in the first place, if they give centurion tokens Edited February 2, 2012 by randalthorr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterlling Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I refuse to believe they would actually let this change go live. This makes the bag system infinitely worse than before. In short: you WILL NOT get champion gear until valor 60 when you start getting champion tokens from battle master bags. SIXTY valor levels with the same pvp set sounds GREAT. The issue of duplicates has also not been addressed. It is completely unanimous what the community wants, its time to man up and admit your mistake. This current bag system... its just simply embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega_flare Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Something that's continued to bother me is that the last 2 tiers of PvP gear (Battlemasters and Champions) can only be reliably obtained at rank 60, why are two tiers linked to the same rankings? The "occasional" bonus does nothing to improve on this system, and makes the gear discrepancy between 1-60 even larger. Remove the RNG factor altogether, BW have already done this with the battlemaster bags. Why take a step backwards with Champions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaaku Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ty BW, keep on ur great work... There won't be enough bamboo in the world for the massive pandas will be growing up soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalthorr Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 i never play alts until atleast a few months into a game and have done most of the things on my main to my hearts content. In a game like swtor, there is just so much to do and just logging into my warrior and looking at hm swing his saber a few times is thrilling. But the one reason that drove me to make not one but three other alts at 50, was because I hit valor 58 with no champion chest, legs, wrists, implant and whatnot. i dont enjoy pve one bit, solely because it requires you to get into voice chat and mute game sound, etc etc. which is not my play style. the current pvp gear rewards drive me insane. add the bug that prevents your wz wins from counting...... ahahahahahahaha I am insane. Bioware makes me really go sith on em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolakToma Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is a early April fools joke right? I do the dailies and weeklies and turn in all my points for bags as it is and usually 90% of the time already get commendations and when I dont get commendations, I get doubles. This is what I have so far Head-7 Chest-5 Gloves-1 Belt-2 Legs-4 Boots-1 Bracers-0 MH-0 OH-0 Relic-6 Implant-4 Earpiece-0 And they are talking about nerfing champ bags and even nerfing pvp armor in general makes me think they dont want people to pvp at all at this rate. This coupled with the Biochem nerf really makes me doubt how long they are going to keep people playing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega_flare Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is a early April fools joke right? I do the dailies and weeklies and turn in all my points for bags as it is and usually 90% of the time already get commendations and when I dont get commendations, I get doubles. This is what I have so far Head-7 Chest-5 Gloves-1 Belt-2 Legs-4 Boots-1 Bracers-0 MH-0 OH-0 Relic-6 Implant-4 Earpiece-0 I feel your pain, I have 4 belts and 4 mainhand weapons. Can't even take out the mods... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOuija Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Really Bioware? You just don't get it. So, to fix the issue, you are going make everyone that isn't 50 yet or just hit 50 so far behind, that they minimal chance to succeed. This change will make a ridiculous gear gap for months. The gap between centurion and champion gear is too big for this kind of change. Not to mention, you are making it even more RNG dependent. We want less RNG. Spot on. It's like they don't even play the game. ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolaz Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 How can BW even think this is a good idea? LESS RNG. Punish the exploiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greennight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 so you now you dont want to repair champion bags and way to obtain PvP gear you want to ruin it even more ? developers at bioware .... .... .... uhm wait developer is person who develops better things and repairing the wrong ones but these guys dont do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AetherMcLoud Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 How can BW even think this is a good idea? LESS RNG. Punish the exploiters. This x 9000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominickz Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 does this have any effect on the rate of BM commendations in BM Bags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illgot Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is a positive change for the game in the long run if the increase to commendations is high enough. Right now I get 3 commendations per bag. I can go through 6-8 bags without getting an item. If I can get 5-6 commendations per bag, that's at least one guaranteed item every 4-6 bags (armor vs weapon). That is a lot better than my current "chances". If they have only increased the commendations to 4 per bag... then we can let the rage start. In the long run this can be a positive change if they handle the increase of commendations correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaaku Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) does this have any effect on the rate of BM commendations in BM Bags? BM bags and BM commendations will have the same drop ratio Edited February 2, 2012 by jaaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misa-Misa Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If they want to make the chance to get lower, they should make it LIKE battlemaster gear tokens, and purchase whatever you want. i've been getting so many **** duplicates its insane. now we get a lower chance of getting a token in our bags and still not a way to purchase what you want? seriously bioware? brainless right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-one Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 wow, stupid. I am actually laughing right now becuase I am thinking about the meeting or meetings that took place to make this decision. A bunch of people sitting around shaking there heads and patting each others backs for a bad decision. I agree, i dont think they actually PLAY the game. "good job bill, great idea" "thanks douche" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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