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I'm just saying, it's 3 to 1. You're wrong. Give it up.

 

Being the majority(which you likely cannot prove statistically) does not make you right. It might be "accepted" as right depending on the community or whatnot, but it doesn't MAKE you right or the minority WRONG.

 

I posted links many pages back, most chose to ignore them, but one of them certainly touches on this subject.

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Any facts to back *any* of that up? No, didn't think so.

 

Have you counted the fors and against? No? more baseless information.

 

That stuff may be your *opinion* but that's all it is and sorry to tell you, worthless.

 

I said "I still think". That's not stating a fact.

 

You answered your own questions.

 

Next time, forego a response if it adds nothing to the discussion.

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Neither, but I'm about one post away from adding you to my ignore list, because of this. You clearly feel that you are somehow morally and ethically superior because of your opinion, and I refuse to get into a debate with someone who claims the moral high ground over an opinion.

 

What I'm doing isn't harming anyone, because I have as much right to the fruit of my labor as does everyone else in the party.

 

Unless of course you believe that the proper and unselfish act, would be for me to expect everyone else to act only for my benefit. No where have I ever said I expect them to act solely on for my benefit.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way ...these are the values I was taught and have had to relearn thru my 50 years of life. I'm not trying to force them on you and I certainly don't feel superior in any way because of them.

 

I am simply trying to persuade you and others to please stop and think a little longer before you roll need. Just as you are trying to persuade me that it's not necessary.

 

This is a debate and you brought up my usage of certain terms. I'm just arguing my point.

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You are wordsmithing. The point of this thread is to argue that a common decency should exist in loot rolls that is based upon an actual heirarchy of demand and worth based on comonsense and decency. Nothing more.
And folks have been pointing out that calling it "common decency" is a misnomer at best. It's greed and selfishness, covered by a mask of indignant self righteousness, and implied martyrdom.

 

"You can't roll for that because my wants are more important than your wants." is not decency by any stretch of the imagination.

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You are wordsmithing. The point of this thread is to argue that a common decency should exist in loot rolls that is based upon an actual heirarchy of demand and worth created out of comonsense and decency. Nothing more.

 

A common decency does exist.. If you need you roll need, if you don't roll greed, if neither apply roll pass.

 

Which part are you not understanding?

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Facts? Show me the proof.

 

 

TOTAL SAMPLE: 504

 

FOR COURTESY LOOTING: 387

 

 

face_hindu

Dargen

Halofax

Chasted

thecoffeecup

GamerInDallas

Kalthorine

FerrusPA

mayjin

BourbonDingo

Mathakar

Holron

Gohlar

gangbot

Shinavast

utio

carnalraven

Darthneubauer

Lanowin

sotaka

Berronaxftw

plosky

Saber_Six

Mineria

RachelAnne

Marcato

HexHammer

Warlocc

Alohen

iceperson

bboudreaux

Apax

Vlaxitov

falkerman

DarthMoord

Ecclesiarch

crazysam

Zortezurtek

OBLCDiomedes

Sithmud

MrLeeNO

gurugeorge

killa_kiaba

Vervain_CC

TheCapz

pinksock

rzrknight

RWScissors

Kozzmozz

T-rollin

Pokerface

CANOFOWNAGE

Attaraxia

LogicalPremise

EternalFinality

Kabjat

Chosenxeno

Acererak

Femmefatality

cipero

rarianrakista

areto

Prolapse

Leporello

tcalusine

AlySedai

Silvaro

Verthiz

PassionVsPeace

RycheMykola

Felioats

alkanterah

SunwindIon

Your_Ad_Here

Dstackm

Caonimah

Cancrizans

Valin_Thren

Taggardwarf

Frostbird

Unruhe

RagnarokJC

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Krondorf

ScapeGoats

Esauru

Karzi

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Idah

stuw

Varghjerta

msdixi

Kalkaii

OldBenSmokin

Idunhavaname

MasterKayote

Slteath

red_travis

GraingerX

Darkshadow

Darekar

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hushia

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daddymoofle

Everi

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Oghier

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dtim

SoulstitchMMO

Keihryon

Sabretalon

marshmellowdude

TheSwamper

Kourage

cdstephen

Raelstrom

Naduri

Hajizan

Nicain

Darth_Pants

Dignam

Slurmez

corbanite

jsdcaedus

tarrmar

DeathDiciple

Brakner

alanhurst

Krummwalker

atroav

StevenStarkill

Calsetes

ChicksDigHarleys

Cerion

kifa

Thradar

Kirska

Xabana

Loreki

Qilz

Lady_Alyria

JustTed

Mhorham

Erevan_Kindelar

Sleekit

Gungan

Lhuna

WFSWTOR

uniz

eightohfive

Talorya

JediMasterShake

Vendril

Lazorous

Galbatorrix

Ratall

Barracudastr

VicSkimmr

Canuck_TwnTNN

Kthx

Massimoto

Vlacke

Daedricshots

Grygost

Logiick

Norumaniac

Raximillian

wanderica

LeonidasSith

apetooman

Ruuprect

Magnijung

Malpracticex

Giondi

Memo_

ivanhedgehog

hardicon

TheHeadCapper

a_coathanger

Ansultares

Thistlejack

Barzarel

RayneDancer

Vitellius

Fiachsidhe

Daemonjax

Orisai

thorizdin

Vintal

OrbitalDecay

Dirtybomb

Sardoodledom

BladeStrike

Cubanito-

dipstik

Blackavaar

mphill

MJHoyle

Gereon

PalawaJoko

Jedlosson

testingnorman

GetPloughed

RudeDog

Trenyc

stavag

DavesTheName

blargness

FalcoLombardi

Soulchilde

Rodanth_The_Wise

DigitalPrime

Suzina

Saurakk

SgtFrog

Evilpuppy

Shikiru

Kinrain

Wakow

Lizarduz

ratfanatic

Zhothon

JimG

Kalfear

SithZigg

MRSA

justahdude

MWidowmaker

Blackardin

Marmerus

AaronPenick

GellonSW

nobadee

TYGRHobbes

Sodella

TheRealDestian

Surefiremm

keltonz

Pathlight-

Jigsaw-Complex

Murdah

Tygranir

Aleoi

Grecanis

Qeuzolt

Meiu

AlphaBraddox

Bobiefatt

JHoltJHolt

SpikeRosered

BegaTasty

TonyACT

Sulvan

Azurewind

Tevax

ryancwn

DariuszPol

haXwk

Tourette

Technotica

pokstair

Umbral

Rollcageuk

JohraTon

SySnootles

DarthSublimitas

Backbones

Mentoza

Black_Rabbit

Irusan

SkateOnTrees

Truga

kalexkhan

PeterMAbraham

owlinspace

Edryk

Twazzock

Ancaglon

The_Archon

SorrowOVtheNight

warpedlogic

havok_bloodcraft

Valcutio

Atamosk

Spartanik

Thordar

Loendar

Kindara

Razot

Sousukesama

DrunkenGundark

Borntoride

realID

ClyntKeelan

StonySpider

Senatsu

Jayvenger

bejay

Zeodic

Vessi

mattofthekidd

ThassiusUK

Vahn_Sanji

Endunie

suroktheslayer

Broom

Sunspots

Smoky_the_Bear

Absimillard

LuthirFontaine

MandoArc

Tsaritsin

Redderic

Neptunius

Soultranna

Gragus

Admoniter

BinxDarkstar

Saberlost

ApLJack

Annikhan

teddy_bear

CeiLican

Halinalle

JaggidEdje

LasCruces

areto

DarthKhaos

Garravesh

MaxonJaxon

illgot

xDagurasu

Dizzident

Dartagon

LifeOfMessiah

Zaskaszh

DarthNemis

Hebrind

Ronamo

Mogyoon

viith

GavinRuneblade

perato

ZDProletariat

dcgregorya

Wraiven

Faulhaber

iheartnyc

Marb

Ariadna

joriandrake

PsilosLon

Funus

Irxyyy

CptBrit

Jellison

PANZERBUNNY

Darth_Nox

Malabaricus

 

 

 

AGAINST COURTESY LOOTING: 117

 

 

Bearaids

snooggums

Picoom

Delekii

SnoggyMack

United_Strafes

Propanelgen

Setanian

RealAeiouy

Ecinev

Trisskar

rfatcheric

infernus_uk

Heggs

Evilidea

antiphobic

Catch_TwentyTwo

maxetius

Vydor_HC

romandaemon

Tokeee

Kemorand

Gerandar

Skaara

Tsillah

Aisar

CygnusMX

Dyltron

Genesizs

VanorDM

Pythoris

BigBadEdward

Ghaiana

acheros

Brool

Jetsunz

itekazzawrrlic

Zebular

_Rammie_

Xabos

Mr_Crueak

pocketthesaurus

Fredcat

CommanderFrog

Bystandard

Anzel

Urgas

Lightsanchor

Deathstrike

Havokk

ThiborF

daemian

GnatB

Vonkong

Soul_of_Flames

Sprite

Darkness_au

Descento

timewatch

Viera

Tal-N

Gehoornde

akma

Jimudthesecond

Jaerin

Chuckskyline

Eldren

zandadoum

ferroz

chton

ispanolfw

owenthorn

sfthirteen

Qoaa

Creed_Buhallin

Gomuningen

Schnerf

Busukaba

AsheraII

Ashes_One

stivius

Liquid_Drano

RazielHex

coffeerox

Phaydrane

Belbullab

Sai-to

Zannis

TucoR

Furiso

kirorx

Trushott

Tadshackles

apantoliani

Democratus

Leiloni

BenjaminminU

Kaphik

dargor-

terminova

Khbaal

boobaffet

Diabloplayer

Spymaster

Ambrogino

LadyAzurith

desertwolph

Talkative

ArtMonster

GeekNius

madmikeyb

Obus

crica

svenholio

_Ender__Wiggin_

xmercxrayx

Derbefrier

 

 

 

Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue.

 

Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know.

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You are wordsmithing. The point of this thread is to argue that a common decency should exist in loot rolls that is based upon an actual heirarchy of demand and worth created out of comonsense and decency. Nothing more.

 

Or in other words you, or the OP, or whomever, wants a system that prioritizes what the majority may feel is more important during loot rolls. In this case stats for your particular class. But that's the thing, that minority that DOESN'T agree on what you choose as priority also has the same stake, they pay the same as you for the privilege to play.

 

So again, unless BioWare decides to side with you and change the system, the players really have no right to force something out of the bounds of the current system on those who disagree. Same applies the other way, we cannot force you to roll with the system as is. But your view differs from the system, you want it changed, you be vocal before the run.

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A common decency does exist.. If you need you roll need, if you don't roll greed, if neither apply roll pass.

 

Which part are you not understanding?

 

Which part of your arguments am I not understanding? All of them. None is rooted in commonsense or decency. Welcome to the ignore list.

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People given the option to anonymously hurt people for their own gain will come up with all kinds of justifications for their behavior. This is why automated dungeons tools are bad - they make the issue even worse by allowing people to dehumanize the people around them even further.

 

Frankly, the best players in the game (myself included) will only run with each other, precisely because "you people" will ninja our loot, get carried and whine that "Kaliyo would look good in that" when we give the purple tanking drop to an actual tank.

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People given the option to anonymously hurt people for their own gain will come up with all kinds of justifications for their behavior. This is why automated dungeons tools are bad - they make the issue even worse by allowing people to dehumanize the people around them even further.

 

Frankly, the best players in the game (myself included) will only run with each other, precisely because "you people" will ninja our loot, get carried and whine that "Kaliyo would look good in that" when we give the purple tanking drop to an actual tank.

 

Add 1 to the Plus side.

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Again! This is more supposition, used in some to cast discredit. If you kept up with my posts, I have always advocated deciding at the time of roll whether to need/greed/pass.

 

That in no way takes away from, it is my choice to choose how I roll. What you want is for me, to roll-over and agree that your way is best. It is not.

 

Further, you keep using obscenities to in some cast more discredit. 'loot whoring'.. Now while I don't really care how bad you are at debating, I would ask, that your restrict yourself to facts and not suppositions. And while you're at it, keep it clean. You have absolutely ni justification for using such words.

 

I apologize that you don't like the concept of 'loot whore' - but rolling on /almost/ everything simply because you can is pretty much a textbook definition. You don't feel it applies to you clearly, but your statements would indicate otherwise. Maybe not a full on one as you seem to have some capacity for self-restraint if your postings are to be believed.

 

As for the usage of the word Hell in this context. You'll need to grow a thicker skin if you feel that it goes to the definition of obsecenity in this context.

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Or in other words you, or the OP, or whomever, wants a system that prioritizes what the majority may feel is more important during loot rolls. In this case stats for your particular class. But that's the thing, that minority that DOESN'T agree on what you choose as priority also has the same stake, they pay the same as you for the privilege to play.

 

So again, unless BioWare decides to side with you and change the system, the players really have no right to force something out of the bounds of the current system on those who disagree. Same applies the other way, we cannot force you to roll with the system as is. But your view differs from the system, you want it changed, you be vocal before the run.

 

No, if you look at my comment, I included "arguing for" and "should" in my statements. I am not saying that anyone is forced to play a certain way. On that note, I DO disagree with the original title of this thread - "no, you may not roll" literally is incorrect. We're talking about how people "should" play - or, if that feels too imperative, we're trying to come up with a model of the best way that people can play.

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TOTAL SAMPLE: 504

 

FOR ENFORCED VALUATION ON ITEMS: 387

 

 

face_hindu

Dargen

Halofax

Chasted

thecoffeecup

GamerInDallas

Kalthorine

FerrusPA

mayjin

BourbonDingo

Mathakar

Holron

Gohlar

gangbot

Shinavast

utio

carnalraven

Darthneubauer

Lanowin

sotaka

Berronaxftw

plosky

Saber_Six

Mineria

RachelAnne

Marcato

HexHammer

Warlocc

Alohen

iceperson

bboudreaux

Apax

Vlaxitov

falkerman

DarthMoord

Ecclesiarch

crazysam

Zortezurtek

OBLCDiomedes

Sithmud

MrLeeNO

gurugeorge

killa_kiaba

Vervain_CC

TheCapz

pinksock

rzrknight

RWScissors

Kozzmozz

T-rollin

Pokerface

CANOFOWNAGE

Attaraxia

LogicalPremise

EternalFinality

Kabjat

Chosenxeno

Acererak

Femmefatality

cipero

rarianrakista

areto

Prolapse

Leporello

tcalusine

AlySedai

Silvaro

Verthiz

PassionVsPeace

RycheMykola

Felioats

alkanterah

SunwindIon

Your_Ad_Here

Dstackm

Caonimah

Cancrizans

Valin_Thren

Taggardwarf

Frostbird

Unruhe

RagnarokJC

DarkoDon

Krondorf

ScapeGoats

Esauru

Karzi

moonraker_jones

Idah

stuw

Varghjerta

msdixi

Kalkaii

OldBenSmokin

Idunhavaname

MasterKayote

Slteath

red_travis

GraingerX

Darkshadow

Darekar

profaneascension

Kaphik

inquisitorshadow

Rooksx

Four_Leaf_Clover

hushia

Suzina

Solusrath

Bionixx

ML_DoubleTap

Mazikeen

jontyld

Maccaroth

Jedi_Wannabe

Scar

AibaTakaya

Light_Valkyrie

Nightfox_

DJavelin

Innoe

CBGB

raidyr

Siyko

MrTijger

Explosive_Lasers

Laerune

Sufran

IceManLoneWolf

daddymoofle

Everi

Seifz

Oghier

nezroy

Seattlite

dtim

SoulstitchMMO

Keihryon

Sabretalon

marshmellowdude

TheSwamper

Kourage

cdstephen

Raelstrom

Naduri

Hajizan

Nicain

Darth_Pants

Dignam

Slurmez

corbanite

jsdcaedus

tarrmar

DeathDiciple

Brakner

alanhurst

Krummwalker

atroav

StevenStarkill

Calsetes

ChicksDigHarleys

Cerion

kifa

Thradar

Kirska

Xabana

Loreki

Qilz

Lady_Alyria

JustTed

Mhorham

Erevan_Kindelar

Sleekit

Gungan

Lhuna

WFSWTOR

uniz

eightohfive

Talorya

JediMasterShake

Vendril

Lazorous

Galbatorrix

Ratall

Barracudastr

VicSkimmr

Canuck_TwnTNN

Kthx

Massimoto

Vlacke

Daedricshots

Grygost

Logiick

Norumaniac

Raximillian

wanderica

LeonidasSith

apetooman

Ruuprect

Magnijung

Malpracticex

Giondi

Memo_

ivanhedgehog

hardicon

TheHeadCapper

a_coathanger

Ansultares

Thistlejack

Barzarel

RayneDancer

Vitellius

Fiachsidhe

Daemonjax

Orisai

thorizdin

Vintal

OrbitalDecay

Dirtybomb

Sardoodledom

BladeStrike

Cubanito-

dipstik

Blackavaar

mphill

MJHoyle

Gereon

PalawaJoko

Jedlosson

testingnorman

GetPloughed

RudeDog

Trenyc

stavag

DavesTheName

blargness

FalcoLombardi

Soulchilde

Rodanth_The_Wise

DigitalPrime

Suzina

Saurakk

SgtFrog

Evilpuppy

Shikiru

Kinrain

Wakow

Lizarduz

ratfanatic

Zhothon

JimG

Kalfear

SithZigg

MRSA

justahdude

MWidowmaker

Blackardin

Marmerus

AaronPenick

GellonSW

nobadee

TYGRHobbes

Sodella

TheRealDestian

Surefiremm

keltonz

Pathlight-

Jigsaw-Complex

Murdah

Tygranir

Aleoi

Grecanis

Qeuzolt

Meiu

AlphaBraddox

Bobiefatt

JHoltJHolt

SpikeRosered

BegaTasty

TonyACT

Sulvan

Azurewind

Tevax

ryancwn

DariuszPol

haXwk

Tourette

Technotica

pokstair

Umbral

Rollcageuk

JohraTon

SySnootles

DarthSublimitas

Backbones

Mentoza

Black_Rabbit

Irusan

SkateOnTrees

Truga

kalexkhan

PeterMAbraham

owlinspace

Edryk

Twazzock

Ancaglon

The_Archon

SorrowOVtheNight

warpedlogic

havok_bloodcraft

Valcutio

Atamosk

Spartanik

Thordar

Loendar

Kindara

Razot

Sousukesama

DrunkenGundark

Borntoride

realID

ClyntKeelan

StonySpider

Senatsu

Jayvenger

bejay

Zeodic

Vessi

mattofthekidd

ThassiusUK

Vahn_Sanji

Endunie

suroktheslayer

Broom

Sunspots

Smoky_the_Bear

Absimillard

LuthirFontaine

MandoArc

Tsaritsin

Redderic

Neptunius

Soultranna

Gragus

Admoniter

BinxDarkstar

Saberlost

ApLJack

Annikhan

teddy_bear

CeiLican

Halinalle

JaggidEdje

LasCruces

areto

DarthKhaos

Garravesh

MaxonJaxon

illgot

xDagurasu

Dizzident

Dartagon

LifeOfMessiah

Zaskaszh

DarthNemis

Hebrind

Ronamo

Mogyoon

viith

GavinRuneblade

perato

ZDProletariat

dcgregorya

Wraiven

Faulhaber

iheartnyc

Marb

Ariadna

joriandrake

PsilosLon

Funus

Irxyyy

CptBrit

Jellison

PANZERBUNNY

Darth_Nox

Malabaricus

 

 

 

AGAINST ENFORCED VALUATION ON ITEMS: 117

 

 

Bearaids

snooggums

Picoom

Delekii

SnoggyMack

United_Strafes

Propanelgen

Setanian

RealAeiouy

Ecinev

Trisskar

rfatcheric

infernus_uk

Heggs

Evilidea

antiphobic

Catch_TwentyTwo

maxetius

Vydor_HC

romandaemon

Tokeee

Kemorand

Gerandar

Skaara

Tsillah

Aisar

CygnusMX

Dyltron

Genesizs

VanorDM

Pythoris

BigBadEdward

Ghaiana

acheros

Brool

Jetsunz

itekazzawrrlic

Zebular

_Rammie_

Xabos

Mr_Crueak

pocketthesaurus

Fredcat

CommanderFrog

Bystandard

Anzel

Urgas

Lightsanchor

Deathstrike

Havokk

ThiborF

daemian

GnatB

Vonkong

Soul_of_Flames

Sprite

Darkness_au

Descento

timewatch

Viera

Tal-N

Gehoornde

akma

Jimudthesecond

Jaerin

Chuckskyline

Eldren

zandadoum

ferroz

chton

ispanolfw

owenthorn

sfthirteen

Qoaa

Creed_Buhallin

Gomuningen

Schnerf

Busukaba

AsheraII

Ashes_One

stivius

Liquid_Drano

RazielHex

coffeerox

Phaydrane

Belbullab

Sai-to

Zannis

TucoR

Furiso

kirorx

Trushott

Tadshackles

apantoliani

Democratus

Leiloni

BenjaminminU

Kaphik

dargor-

terminova

Khbaal

boobaffet

Diabloplayer

Spymaster

Ambrogino

LadyAzurith

desertwolph

Talkative

ArtMonster

GeekNius

madmikeyb

Obus

crica

svenholio

_Ender__Wiggin_

xmercxrayx

Derbefrier

 

 

 

Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue.

 

Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know.

Your labels are backwards, at least from my perspective. It's pretty standard of people who argue your position to do that though; it's part of the standard package where you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground.

 

 

If you want to actually have accurate labels, you'd want something like

"For enforced valuation of items" and "against enforced valuation of items"

 

and the groups would be mostly the same

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People given the option to anonymously hurt people for their own gain will come up with all kinds of justifications for their behavior. This is why automated dungeons tools are bad - they make the issue even worse by allowing people to dehumanize the people around them even further.

 

Frankly, the best players in the game (myself included) will only run with each other, precisely because "you people" will ninja our loot, get carried and whine that "Kaliyo would look good in that" when we give the purple tanking drop to an actual tank.

 

Well, if you're giving" the loot, that must mean you've got it on Master Looter. Unless I know you already, I won't run in a PUG with Master Looter on, because I don't trust other players (who likewise don't know me) to have my best interests (as defined by my own motivations) at heart. I have no issues with Master Looter in guild runs or groups of friends, but with 4/7/15 other people who I don't know? I'm not giving control over loot distribution to any of those people.

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Do you take issue with my sample size, or my methodology, or what?

If you have to ask, you've simply confirmed that you do, indeed, know absolutely nothing about statistical methods.

 

But for your benefit: Trying to extrapolate the state of a large group from a small sample is meaningless if your sample is not properly selected.

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TOTAL SAMPLE: 504

 

FOR COURTESY LOOTING: 387

 

 

face_hindu

Dargen

Halofax

Chasted

thecoffeecup

GamerInDallas

Kalthorine

FerrusPA

mayjin

BourbonDingo

Mathakar

Holron

Gohlar

gangbot

Shinavast

utio

carnalraven

Darthneubauer

Lanowin

sotaka

Berronaxftw

plosky

Saber_Six

Mineria

RachelAnne

Marcato

HexHammer

Warlocc

Alohen

iceperson

bboudreaux

Apax

Vlaxitov

falkerman

DarthMoord

Ecclesiarch

crazysam

Zortezurtek

OBLCDiomedes

Sithmud

MrLeeNO

gurugeorge

killa_kiaba

Vervain_CC

TheCapz

pinksock

rzrknight

RWScissors

Kozzmozz

T-rollin

Pokerface

CANOFOWNAGE

Attaraxia

LogicalPremise

EternalFinality

Kabjat

Chosenxeno

Acererak

Femmefatality

cipero

rarianrakista

areto

Prolapse

Leporello

tcalusine

AlySedai

Silvaro

Verthiz

PassionVsPeace

RycheMykola

Felioats

alkanterah

SunwindIon

Your_Ad_Here

Dstackm

Caonimah

Cancrizans

Valin_Thren

Taggardwarf

Frostbird

Unruhe

RagnarokJC

DarkoDon

Krondorf

ScapeGoats

Esauru

Karzi

moonraker_jones

Idah

stuw

Varghjerta

msdixi

Kalkaii

OldBenSmokin

Idunhavaname

MasterKayote

Slteath

red_travis

GraingerX

Darkshadow

Darekar

profaneascension

Kaphik

inquisitorshadow

Rooksx

Four_Leaf_Clover

hushia

Suzina

Solusrath

Bionixx

ML_DoubleTap

Mazikeen

jontyld

Maccaroth

Jedi_Wannabe

Scar

AibaTakaya

Light_Valkyrie

Nightfox_

DJavelin

Innoe

CBGB

raidyr

Siyko

MrTijger

Explosive_Lasers

Laerune

Sufran

IceManLoneWolf

daddymoofle

Everi

Seifz

Oghier

nezroy

Seattlite

dtim

SoulstitchMMO

Keihryon

Sabretalon

marshmellowdude

TheSwamper

Kourage

cdstephen

Raelstrom

Naduri

Hajizan

Nicain

Darth_Pants

Dignam

Slurmez

corbanite

jsdcaedus

tarrmar

DeathDiciple

Brakner

alanhurst

Krummwalker

atroav

StevenStarkill

Calsetes

ChicksDigHarleys

Cerion

kifa

Thradar

Kirska

Xabana

Loreki

Qilz

Lady_Alyria

JustTed

Mhorham

Erevan_Kindelar

Sleekit

Gungan

Lhuna

WFSWTOR

uniz

eightohfive

Talorya

JediMasterShake

Vendril

Lazorous

Galbatorrix

Ratall

Barracudastr

VicSkimmr

Canuck_TwnTNN

Kthx

Massimoto

Vlacke

Daedricshots

Grygost

Logiick

Norumaniac

Raximillian

wanderica

LeonidasSith

apetooman

Ruuprect

Magnijung

Malpracticex

Giondi

Memo_

ivanhedgehog

hardicon

TheHeadCapper

a_coathanger

Ansultares

Thistlejack

Barzarel

RayneDancer

Vitellius

Fiachsidhe

Daemonjax

Orisai

thorizdin

Vintal

OrbitalDecay

Dirtybomb

Sardoodledom

BladeStrike

Cubanito-

dipstik

Blackavaar

mphill

MJHoyle

Gereon

PalawaJoko

Jedlosson

testingnorman

GetPloughed

RudeDog

Trenyc

stavag

DavesTheName

blargness

FalcoLombardi

Soulchilde

Rodanth_The_Wise

DigitalPrime

Suzina

Saurakk

SgtFrog

Evilpuppy

Shikiru

Kinrain

Wakow

Lizarduz

ratfanatic

Zhothon

JimG

Kalfear

SithZigg

MRSA

justahdude

MWidowmaker

Blackardin

Marmerus

AaronPenick

GellonSW

nobadee

TYGRHobbes

Sodella

TheRealDestian

Surefiremm

keltonz

Pathlight-

Jigsaw-Complex

Murdah

Tygranir

Aleoi

Grecanis

Qeuzolt

Meiu

AlphaBraddox

Bobiefatt

JHoltJHolt

SpikeRosered

BegaTasty

TonyACT

Sulvan

Azurewind

Tevax

ryancwn

DariuszPol

haXwk

Tourette

Technotica

pokstair

Umbral

Rollcageuk

JohraTon

SySnootles

DarthSublimitas

Backbones

Mentoza

Black_Rabbit

Irusan

SkateOnTrees

Truga

kalexkhan

PeterMAbraham

owlinspace

Edryk

Twazzock

Ancaglon

The_Archon

SorrowOVtheNight

warpedlogic

havok_bloodcraft

Valcutio

Atamosk

Spartanik

Thordar

Loendar

Kindara

Razot

Sousukesama

DrunkenGundark

Borntoride

realID

ClyntKeelan

StonySpider

Senatsu

Jayvenger

bejay

Zeodic

Vessi

mattofthekidd

ThassiusUK

Vahn_Sanji

Endunie

suroktheslayer

Broom

Sunspots

Smoky_the_Bear

Absimillard

LuthirFontaine

MandoArc

Tsaritsin

Redderic

Neptunius

Soultranna

Gragus

Admoniter

BinxDarkstar

Saberlost

ApLJack

Annikhan

teddy_bear

CeiLican

Halinalle

JaggidEdje

LasCruces

areto

DarthKhaos

Garravesh

MaxonJaxon

illgot

xDagurasu

Dizzident

Dartagon

LifeOfMessiah

Zaskaszh

DarthNemis

Hebrind

Ronamo

Mogyoon

viith

GavinRuneblade

perato

ZDProletariat

dcgregorya

Wraiven

Faulhaber

iheartnyc

Marb

Ariadna

joriandrake

PsilosLon

Funus

Irxyyy

CptBrit

Jellison

PANZERBUNNY

Darth_Nox

Malabaricus

 

 

 

AGAINST COURTESY LOOTING: 117

 

 

Bearaids

snooggums

Picoom

Delekii

SnoggyMack

United_Strafes

Propanelgen

Setanian

RealAeiouy

Ecinev

Trisskar

rfatcheric

infernus_uk

Heggs

Evilidea

antiphobic

Catch_TwentyTwo

maxetius

Vydor_HC

romandaemon

Tokeee

Kemorand

Gerandar

Skaara

Tsillah

Aisar

CygnusMX

Dyltron

Genesizs

VanorDM

Pythoris

BigBadEdward

Ghaiana

acheros

Brool

Jetsunz

itekazzawrrlic

Zebular

_Rammie_

Xabos

Mr_Crueak

pocketthesaurus

Fredcat

CommanderFrog

Bystandard

Anzel

Urgas

Lightsanchor

Deathstrike

Havokk

ThiborF

daemian

GnatB

Vonkong

Soul_of_Flames

Sprite

Darkness_au

Descento

timewatch

Viera

Tal-N

Gehoornde

akma

Jimudthesecond

Jaerin

Chuckskyline

Eldren

zandadoum

ferroz

chton

ispanolfw

owenthorn

sfthirteen

Qoaa

Creed_Buhallin

Gomuningen

Schnerf

Busukaba

AsheraII

Ashes_One

stivius

Liquid_Drano

RazielHex

coffeerox

Phaydrane

Belbullab

Sai-to

Zannis

TucoR

Furiso

kirorx

Trushott

Tadshackles

apantoliani

Democratus

Leiloni

BenjaminminU

Kaphik

dargor-

terminova

Khbaal

boobaffet

Diabloplayer

Spymaster

Ambrogino

LadyAzurith

desertwolph

Talkative

ArtMonster

GeekNius

madmikeyb

Obus

crica

svenholio

_Ender__Wiggin_

xmercxrayx

Derbefrier

 

 

 

Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue.

 

Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know.

 

I should not be forced to use anyone's loot rules if I am not in a group with them, I don't care what they vote for or against.

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I apologize that you don't like the concept of 'loot whore' - but rolling on /almost/ everything simply because you can is pretty much a textbook definition.
Who are you claiming does this?

 

You don't feel it applies to you clearly, but your statements would indicate otherwise.
What statements indicate otherwise? Can you quote one of mine?
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Do you take issue with my sample size, or my methodology, or what?

 

I take issue with your methodology and assumptions.

 

You don't clearly define "courtesy looting". You don't show whether your definition incorporates variants of a given view. You only appeal to two of the largest threads, which is an incomplete data set of a group of posters who already represent a statistical minority of the actual subscriber base.

 

In short, your numbers aren't nearly as reliable (let alone 100% objective) as you'd need them to be to make an irrefutable case for your position, and the position(s) that you include in "courtesy looting" aren't defined to begin with.

 

Bad fact-gathering there, bro.

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False. He thinks that they both get the exact same direct benefit: when you win the item, you both get the item that you wanted.

 

No, you clearly don't respect others. You're flinging insults at people who are in favor of fairness instead of stacking the deck.

 

you're asserting that without backing it up in any way.

 

I say it's the other way around, that perpetuating a system based on removing fairness and selfishness (the one you're advocating) is detrimental to the game.

 

My entire method of loot distribution supports respect for other players and the investment they make in grouping with me.

 

Your method greatly diminishes their potential reward in favor of your own.

 

Just because you CAN roll any anything doesn't make it 'more fair' unless everyone is doing it for the same reasons. You are imposing your beliefs on the group as solidly as anyone else in this thread and the sooner you realize that your way benefits you a lot more than anyone else the sooner you can join a social game.

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