xNonphixionx Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) OK, everyone can stop with the football references since it doesn't apply (hutball isn't football) and the people making these arguments don't like to acknowledged the fact having a foot or both feet touch the ground only pertains to catches. They only acknowledge facts that fit their arguments. If you're going to compare it to football it would be someone running it into the endzone when a defender picks they up and carries them through it. You can't change the facts of the situation to fit you argument with rules that don't apply to the situation. My point exactly. People are assuming the player carrying the ball is catching a pass. All someone needs to do in football is get the ball across the goal line while in possession. Your feet touching the ground only matter if the player is receiving a pass and does not have posession. But like I have also said, football =/= huttball. But either way you look at it, it would be a touchdown in football and should be in huttball as well. Edited February 3, 2012 by xNonphixionx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNonphixionx Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Quit crying. If you see a PT waiting for to pull you up. Just throw the ball at him and watch him explode. Yet another person that didnt read jack $hit. We're not talking about Powertechs we're talking about Assassins and Shadows doing it out of stealth. I'd love to see you throw the ball at thin air (stealthed target) then have your team yell at you for throwing the ball at thin air...Pro Tip~ Players cannot catch the ball while stealthed. Edited February 3, 2012 by xNonphixionx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 What AoE has a range greater then 30m? While you are busy trying to pop them out of stealth you are already in range of their pull, humm. So in the time you AoE then stun that's 2 global cooldowns where he has had the chance to pull you up... Any 30m AoE can reach more than 30m if it has a ground target. For example if we assume the Area is 10m across (5m from center of AoE ground marker) then you can hit up to 35m away by using your AoE @ max range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNonphixionx Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 Any 30m AoE can reach more than 30m if it has a ground target. For example if we assume the Area is 10m across (5m from center of AoE ground marker) then you can hit up to 35m away by using your AoE @ max range. I love how people are making ridiculous solutions. Let's take out the tape measure while running the huttball in just to prevent getting exploited. No, sorry. The answer is to fix the exploit and suspend/ban people that use it. All they would have to do is make it count as a score when your own team holds the ball in their own endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMar Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Any 30m AoE can reach more than 30m if it has a ground target. For example if we assume the Area is 10m across (5m from center of AoE ground marker) then you can hit up to 35m away by using your AoE @ max range. Great then you're out of range for the stun, point is still moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoLFpwr Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 It should score , even if they have the ball in their zone and they get pushed over the goal line , it should score also. But i guess they dont see that as important enough even if its the only half decent option left in pvp and that it is overplayed cause of the imbalance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parallaxd Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Dont let your ball carrier to go unescorted toward the scoring area. Having more people there will help your situation. They can pop the person out via a number of different methods. Have someone go camp the person doing this and make sure they cant do it. Dedicate a player to watching that person in the field when they try to kill themselves. You want the rules of the game changed to suit your inability to be flexible with your strategy. Aint gonna happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMar Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Dont let your ball carrier to go unescorted toward the scoring area. Having more people there will help your situation. They can pop the person out via a number of different methods. Have someone go camp the person doing this and make sure they cant do it. Dedicate a player to watching that person in the field when they try to kill themselves. You want the rules of the game changed to suit your inability to be flexible with your strategy. Aint gonna happen... One person camp the spawning area? Waste of a teammate that is going to spend the entire game running from spawn to spawn. Two or three enemies spawn and he's rolled that's if the grappeler/puller doesn't notice this and pulls them up for the easy kill. Some of you are so shortsighted it's not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surgin Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 One person camp the spawning area? Waste of a teammate that is going to spend the entire game running from spawn to spawn. Two or three enemies spawn and he's rolled that's if the grappeler/puller doesn't notice this and pulls them up for the easy kill. Some of you are so shortsighted it's not even funny. Because no one in this game has stealth, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMar Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Because no one in this game has stealth, right? OK, so I stealth to try to find the other stealth puller but I suppose to be AOEing the area. You can't use both arguments at the same time. Either your AOEing or your stealth but not both at the same time. So at this time I either get lucky and hit him with AOE so I know he's up there or I don't and he hides. If I hit him he can pull and instant kill me if not I sit the entire game chasing someone who might or might now be up there. either way I'm not doing my team much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parallaxd Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 One person camp the spawning area? Waste of a teammate that is going to spend the entire game running from spawn to spawn. Two or three enemies spawn and he's rolled that's if the grappeler/puller doesn't notice this and pulls them up for the easy kill. Some of you are so shortsighted it's not even funny. Thats partly the point, get them to waste their pull so its on cooldown, thus preventing them from doing this to ball carrier.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algeroth Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 "Weapons, name calling, cheating are all encouraged" - Baron Deathmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsomazzi Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 First off, before I get into what I'm posting about...I dont know if I'm crazy but I think i see a different thread title for every class in the game saying they are OP. Sorry had to point that out as I find that hilarious. Anyway...Was playing huttball today and the other team decided to pull our ball carrier into their spawn right before he scored. Now...This means they literally pulled him across the goal line and up into their spawn area getting him killed in 1 shot. Considering it does not count as scoring I find it to be a major exploit in huttball seeing as how there's no way of preventing it. When I asked the other team about it (Reverence guild on the Sanctum of the Exalted server) they proceeded to insist that it's allowed simply because the announcer says at the start of the match "Cheating is encouraged". So they obviously consider it a cheat/exploit as well. Well the rest of the match was filled with "U mad bro's?" and "L2P's" like any respectable guild does. We ended up losing by 1 point when they exploited our ball carrier twice. So them exploiting totally got them the win. Thoughts? Exploit or not? Should bioware remove the "cheating is encouraged" message at the start of huttball matches? I think they should as the really immature players will take it literally and think it means they can exploit anything and everything to get the win. If those guys want to go by what the announcer says at the beginning of the match, then they should also respect that the ball being taken over the goal line counts for a goal, which is also what the announcer says. So sure, the ball handler dies, but the one doing the pulling just scored one for the other team. THAT seems in line, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscVelocity Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Hi I do this all the time. It only works once. Second time you pull them, they'll die, but the score will count. Trust me. Also, you can stay up there as long as you like, as long as you run down the sides, and stand just on the edge. This "resets" the protected area timer and you can run back to wait for the ball carrier. http://i.imgur.com/k1KxF.jpg Edited February 3, 2012 by EscVelocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulrin Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 First off, before I get into what I'm posting about...I dont know if I'm crazy but I think i see a different thread title for every class in the game saying they are OP. Sorry had to point that out as I find that hilarious. No, you are not crazy. There is a nerf thread for every single class. Sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyph Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Theres only one nasty exploit that needs to be quashed and thats people kicking the huttball. Seriously people, have respect for the game and the hutts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Someone else posted a reply from BW saying this was allowed. /broken game is broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggerdun Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Then how does it not count as scoring? They literally drag the carrier across the goal line. Correct me if im wrong but...In football if a player is pulled across the goal line with the ball does it not count as a touchdown? Might I point out "get the ball over the opposing teams goal anyway you can" Allowing yourself to be death gripped over the goal line, uhm YEAH should be valid. same as fidgeting around a sith or jedi force waving so's they push you into the goal. If you Cross the goal, its a point. If its not, then the voice actors need to be called back and the intro noise needs to be done again. because that's clearly misrepresented in the rules of hutt ball and that exception to the rule needs to be clarified. By definition its not cheating, its bad programing, and bad scripting, oh and most importantly bad judgment calls from whatever official said that it was legal and wasn't a game exploit. by the rules announced at the start of the match and on the stupidly long loading screen if you cross the line with the ball its a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggerdun Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 If those guys want to go by what the announcer says at the beginning of the match, then they should also respect that the ball being taken over the goal line counts for a goal, which is also what the announcer says. So sure, the ball handler dies, but the one doing the pulling just scored one for the other team. THAT seems in line, doesn't it? yeah totaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Might I point out "get the ball over the opposing teams goal anyway you can" Allowing yourself to be death gripped over the goal line, uhm YEAH should be valid. same as fidgeting around a sith or jedi force waving so's they push you into the goal. If you Cross the goal, its a point. If its not, then the voice actors need to be called back and the intro noise needs to be done again. because that's clearly misrepresented in the rules of hutt ball and that exception to the rule needs to be clarified. By definition its not cheating, its bad programing, and bad scripting, oh and most importantly bad judgment calls from whatever official said that it was legal and wasn't a game exploit. by the rules announced at the start of the match and on the stupidly long loading screen if you cross the line with the ball its a point. Now all the supports of this bug in this thread will say that they pull you under the goal line when this happens. Wait for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parallaxd Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) the carries flies over the area where the ball can be scored... not under. if they do fly under, the ball is scored. It can depend on where exactly the other player is gripped from. "get the ball over the opposing teams goal anyway you can" if we take the announcer at his word, then the ball simply needs to go into the area of scoring to count. this should count just throwing the ball in, as well as your team accidentally taking the ball into your own scoring area. Passing to an enemy player while they stand in the goal area would count too. Edited February 4, 2012 by parallaxd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandaman Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 So since we're talking about the rules of football, I wanted to add 1 thing. The rules are different in college and pro football. In Pro ball you need 2 feet in bounds to make the catch, but you cannot be forced out by the defender. So "cheating" aside, in huttball you would still get the score if they were equivalent. In College you only need 1 foot in bounds and there is no force out rule. A defender could, techinically, catch a player in the air at midfield and run them out of bounds and it would count as an incomplete pass. This would then support the current system in huttball. Regardless, this information is kind of useless for huttball itself so I'll just end by saying that if you can't run the ball in then you need to find a teammate who will support you. Huttball is full of things that people consider to be an "expoit," but I'll say this on it's behalf. A good huttball game requires teamwork. Not to mention that both sides can do this trick. The bolded part was changed 2 years ago sir. A defender can now catch you in mid air and run you out of bounds. It will be called incomplete. They are trying to get rid of any judgement calls like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMar Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I wasn't aware that posts had feelings and would get offended if they are called idiotic. So many sad posts running around these forums. Flag away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xNonphixionx Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Bumping just because the community needs an official answer on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekta Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Doesn't the announcer say that cheating is encouraged? If so then exploiting is fine, not that I do it or know how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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