argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hello all First read that what i wrote then comment. I am typical casual player and i don;t have time to play 9h a day and be in "hardcore guild" but i like PvP. (And i [usually] have time after 7 o'clock) But i lose all funn with that when i have to met premades in all warzones... i lose 10 warzone i win 1. So in my opinion, you shoudl make warzones only for premades and only for pug, then pug can play and enjoy it too. And premades can fight with other players like they and have some "hardcore" matches. If in one serwer is too low population, make cross serwer warzones (it is not LFD tool). Thats all. Now i will go and try do that pvp quest -.-' win 3 warzone... funnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Organized teams playing as a team always win in team objectives. Get a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 I wrrote that, but the topic of my "suggestion" is that, "give casual players funn form pvp we are players too and we pay for game too" If you like premades fight with and vs premades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBninjaX Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) WZ have become crap for casuals full stop Edited January 16, 2012 by HBninjaX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 So you can play vs other premades if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tindin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hello all First read that what i wrote then comment. I am typical casual player and i don;t have time to play 9h a day and be in "hardcore guild" but i like PvP. (And i [usually] have time after 7 o'clock) But i lose all funn with that when i have to met premades in all warzones... i lose 10 warzone i win 1. So in my opinion, you shoudl make warzones only for premades and only for pug, then pug can play and enjoy it too. And premades can fight with other players like they and have some "hardcore" matches. If in one serwer is too low population, make cross serwer warzones (it is not LFD tool). Thats all. Now i will go and try do that pvp quest -.-' win 3 warzone... funnny premades cant be made up of casual players? deviding the ppl that would rather group with friends/guildeis and those that just que by them selfs realy makes no sense. it would just make it so those queing by them selfs would have to wait longer to get into a warzone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 so cress serwer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knifewrench Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Casuals are entirely incompatible with challenge. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engrey Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Additionally we’re looking at ways to enable team vs. team, more level brackets and the ability to choose which Warzone you want to play in. BioWare is working on it. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hello all First read that what i wrote then comment. I am typical casual player and i don;t have time to play 9h a day and be in "hardcore guild" but i like PvP. (And i [usually] have time after 7 o'clock) But i lose all funn with that when i have to met premades in all warzones... i lose 10 warzone i win 1. So in my opinion, you shoudl make warzones only for premades and only for pug, then pug can play and enjoy it too. And premades can fight with other players like they and have some "hardcore" matches. If in one serwer is too low population, make cross serwer warzones (it is not LFD tool). Thats all. Now i will go and try do that pvp quest -.-' win 3 warzone... funnny I kinda agree, but not entirely. I will say it's more than annoying when you are playing in a group made mostly of casuals and sub 40's and all of a sudden you are pitted against a team that has all but 1 or 2 of their members as 50's fully geared but....... Classes make huge difference, my lvl 14 Sith Sorcerer out damages my lvl 40 Marauder regularly granted some of this could be how I play them, but even outside of that classes with AOE Stuns, or stuns with quick cool downs compared to other classes need beat up one side and down the other with a Nerf Bat. There is a lot of balancing that still needs to be done, and a lot of issues to be resolved, and I'm hoping they don't screw over PvE in an attempt to work on PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Casual don;t have time to grind all day my dear. I have work, frineds and other etc. First thing which you all don;t read Warzones WITH premades (then you can play in you premade) and without premade (then a lot of ppl can play normalny and enjoy this part of game too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tindin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 so cress serwer? cross server??? thats another topic but doesnt change the fact...... premades and casual are \2 different things and do not determine anything to do with win/loss in pvp premades = ppl grouped togather casual = some one who plays some times and not as often as others so leave casual out of the premade topic and it may work out better...... yes there should be an option to que with premades but it should not be forced on to all i que both solo and with a group. but why make me only fight other solo or group ques??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norr Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Pug v pug and group v group queues are the way to go imo. When I'm running with my guild group owning unorganised pugs is boring. Sure, some people enjoy the epeen factor of an effortless win, but we shouldn't really be feeding those types of mentalities. And the benefits of pug v pug should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indelible Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 LOOK AT YOU! MY CASUAL TEAM. TEAM PLAYERS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. I don't have time for people who can't work as a team on my team. *phone rings* WHAT? Well if you can't work as a team you're all banned. That's it; you heard me: Banned. Get your things and go. *changes line* Hello Game Masters? All of the casual players are banned. Remove them from the game, and do it as a team. And if you can't work as a team, you're all banned too. *changes line again* Dawn, get on to Recruitment. Tell them to look for a Game Master team that can work as a team. They may have to escort the current Game Master team from the building for not working as a team. *Puts phone down* TEAM. Team, team, team, team, team. I even love saying the word "team". You probably think I have a picture of my family on my desk. It's not; It's the A Team! Bodey, Doyle, Tiger, The Jewellery Man. The whole lot of them. So what is it you want to tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 So make 3 options but i think that a 99% of players without premade will choose option withoute premade. And sorry, my mistake not casual but premades group and withoute group (In time of this topic i lost 3 warzones and win.. noone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonuspiotr Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Nooo i want to tell you that you are funny, chill out and drink sth, or go out. I don't know what but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidenPryde Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 There should be a solo queue only options. If you don't queue in a group it would put you with a bunch of random people. Maybe make the rewards about 25% less than the general pool or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tindin Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 LOOK AT YOU! MY CASUAL TEAM. TEAM PLAYERS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. I don't have time for people who can't work as a team on my team. *phone rings* WHAT? Well if you can't work as a team you're all banned. That's it; you heard me: Banned. Get your things and go. *changes line* Hello Game Masters? All of the casual players are banned. Remove them from the game, and do it as a team. And if you can't work as a team, you're all banned too. *changes line again* Dawn, get on to Recruitment. Tell them to look for a Game Master team that can work as a team. They may have to escort the current Game Master team from the building for not working as a team. *Puts phone down* TEAM. Team, team, team, team, team. I even love saying the word "team". You probably think I have a picture of my family on my desk. It's not; It's the A Team! Bodey, Doyle, Tiger, The Jewellery Man. The whole lot of them. So what is it you want to tell me? that team has me in it but not you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slightlycampana Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think a random warzone (where you are forced to queue solo) and a pre-mades only warzone (where you can only sign up with a team) would be a perfectly logical thing to do. But it would only work if you had cross-server warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) It seems like people's definition of premade is anybody who beat you. As I've repeated many times, if there are at least 2 group of killer premades, they're just as likely to face each other or play together. In fact, I'm pretty sure for Huttball the game tries to avoid putting two premades with high valor ranks on the same side if at all possible (and it's usually very possible, just put 1 high valor team on each side). You might not have a choice if it's non Huttball since the game has to honor the first 8 guys who queued to get a game, but in the case of Empier versus Empire, even if the first 8 queues are 2 group of doom, the game can simply put 1 group of each side and then it'd be balanced. In the rare times I queue with a group, I don't think I've ever seen another powerful group on my side. Powerful players, sure, but I never see the 4 Champion+ guys queued together on the same team as I am when I bring a full team. I'm a Battlemaster and the game seems to be really good at ensuring the oppositon almost always have multiple Champion+ ranked characters. The only time I got into a game with another Battlemaster ranked character (not premade), the enemy had like 5 Champion+ characters and we had 4 level 20s, and we actually got stomped pretty badly since 2 Battlemasters isn't going to defeat 5 Champions. As an aside, the game uses an internal gear score. The Ops leader, assuming all 8 people are present at start of the match, is the person the game determines to have the best gear. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me at all if the game rebalances based on gear/valor score in same faction fights (Huttball). For the other two maps, sometimes the game has no choice since it's still a first come first serve deal, so if 8 Battlemasters are the first 8 guys to queue for the next Alderaan, it can't possibly rearrange that anyone to make it easier for their opposition. But in Huttball, those 8 guys will just be spread to 2 different teams on a same faction fight. Edited January 16, 2012 by Astarica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsbacka Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Casual =/= always alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsbacka Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Make solo queues for lesser rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasbeer Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It's not all about being premade, it's about playing as a team. Premades "usually" have a better teamplay by default but it's no guarantee. If you and your pug teams learn to inherently work as a team things will imiprove. I queue solo 95% of the time, I don't just run around trying to kill or take objectives, I look for opportunities to work with others. If you're a tank you can guard a healer, somebody in getting wailed on, or a ball handler. A healer can heal team memebers, use knockbacks or pulls to keep enemies off team mates and to bring them closer to objectives. If you're a DPS try to take out targets that others are attacking or attack targets that are on a healer or ball carrier. Make sure you're always doing your best to pay attention to those around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Organized teams playing as a team always win in team objectives. Get a team. thats a stupid point to make, no offence. but: 1) its not all people that can get 3 people to play with them at any given time 2) some dont have the time to get all that organisation going so telling them to do that regardless is kinda pointless crossserver queue for pug groups and a que for 4 man groups. that would make the allround experience better for ALL players, unless all you care about is rolling puggers all day long for easy valor/marks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesperr Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Sometimes I just want to relax and solo queue a warzone, but more often than not I get to fight biowhoring premades with no chance to win. I dont mind playing premade VS premade with my friends, but I dont find PvP in its current state "relaxing". Also lags, ability delay bug and no win for quest bug... bleh. Edited January 16, 2012 by Vesperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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