Lethality Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 No actually... Don't like the system? Then provide feedback. Pretty simple. Clearly some people complained enough to make them take the switch choice away, because they stated they were going to allow it. That's what feedback is for. No, actually the developers decided in on their own. The original decision was "no". Then for a while, it looked like it was "probably". And now that the game has shipped, it's clear the developers said no. There was absolutely no point in the beta where it was ever allowed, so the feedback was internal on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithros Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 But I am a lvl 20 and I don't want to rerole becuase unlike some people I don't have that much time. Anyway there are no cons to respecing your advanced class so /signed. You have the same time that everyone else has, it's only how you choose to use it. You hate the assassin? Prove it. If I hate a class, 20 levels is not something that is going to keep me from playing something else. Bioware has given you the ability to make multiple characters, to delete characters, and to send items from one character to another. That seems like plenty to me. If, after 20 levels, I decide that I hate something, I will clear them out, send the money to a different character, and start over from scratch gladly. Time lost is just that, but it doesn't justify losing more time in the same pursuit if it is not something that I enjoy. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As far as no cons, how confident should someone feel if they discovered that the healer for their operation has never healed for a group in a game before, ever, because up until 10 minutes ago they were a melee tank? How about the cons to Bioware? Why should you be able to play multiple ACs at 50 without paying them for the time that it takes to level multiple characters to 50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabrass Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 No it doesn't........under class there are 4 options with specializations under those, also on their FAQ there is this (again) In The Old Republic, every character class has its own story, unique companion characters that join and assist the player, and even thrilling space combat and player starships there are 2 sources that both describe the AC system. Yours has 1 word while this one... Advanced Classes are specialized careers that your characters can choose in Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. As your character becomes more seasoned through adventure, you will be given the opportunity to undertake one of two Advanced Classes. This decision is equally as important as choosing your initial class at character creation. Your choice will not only make your character more distinct and powerful, but will also help further define the role you wish to play in Star Wars: The Old Republic. Your choice of Advanced Class not only defines which skill trees are available to your character (there are two unique trees per Advanced Class as well as one shared tree for the class), they also provide access to various special abilities, such as the ability to dual wield Lightsabers, wear heavy armor, etc. (Game info -> Game systems -> Advanced classes) ...has many. The one i link has a much more cohesive definition of the "advanced CLASS" and even states This decision is equally as important as choosing your initial class at character creation. So it is pretty clear, to me anyway, that the advanced class is a class, and not a specialization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syniax Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I just wanna kno if they are going to do this for the simple fact of.... i don't care if they do or they don't but lemme know if its a yes or a no so i can move on with myself... if it's no i will remake the character no biggie, should be fast and easy because i already know the story line from 1-50. If its yes...then when? Because I truely would like to just play the other character instead... >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDevlan Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Re-read my post. Think about it. See why I said it and why I was talking about SWTOR, not 'the vast majority' of MMOs... I read it the first time. What you are saying is that you shouldn't have to re-do content. So, you are never going to roll an alt I guess... /rolleyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadiva Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 No one asked to be able to swap classes (BH, to a inquisitor or w/e) The dual spec is an analogy. Forums were aghast at the idea of dual specs in wow for all of the aforementioned reasons here. It didn't detract from the game in the slightest, instead it added to it. Just like this would be a positive change for this game. No one is asking to change their class. Just their advanced role. A jugg respeccing to a marauder is not gamebreaking dude. A dual spec is not the same as AC switching, not even remotely the same thing. Being able to run two Skill Tree Specialisations so you can PvE or PvP (the usual answer for why it's needed) is fine. Being able to switch between a Sith Juggernaut (tank) to a Sith Marauder (duel wield dps) is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDevlan Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It is not irrelevant at all. If you do not want an OPTIONAL feature you have no argument to prevent it for happening. There are people who might use or enjoy it. Actually it is. If you can't understand why, then there is little hope for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) No, actually the developers decided in on their own. The original decision was "no". Then for a while, it looked like it was "probably". And now that the game has shipped, it's clear the developers said no. There was absolutely no point in the beta where it was ever allowed, so the feedback was internal on the topic. This was posted earlier, but you may have missed it. They actually announced at Comicon that they "are going to allow it". So the original decision was "yes" He even states that advanced classes are "Class specializations". This point alone should clear up any debate about that issue in this thread too. 1st Day: SWTOR Comic-con 2011 Dev Q&A @July 21 Stephen Reid on Advanced Class ‘Switching’ December 1st, 2011 http://torwars.com/2011/12/01/stephen-reid-on-advanced-class-switching/ Edited January 14, 2012 by Redorbz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RycheMykola Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Originally Posted by Durstilla But I am a lvl 20 and I don't want to rerole becuase unlike some people I don't have that much time. Anyway there are no cons to respecing your advanced class so /signed. If you don't have that much time to play...............It would be quicker to reroll to a Class you enjoy playing, than to level another 30 levels and play a class you don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 If you don't have that much time to play...............It would be quicker to reroll to a Class you enjoy playing, than to level another 30 levels and play a class you don't like. If hes lacking in time, what makes you think he wants to repeat all 1-20 quests again? Hows that more time efficient? If he does that, hes just sunk another 40 hours down the tube. Hes doubling the time hes spend on the same Class, yet hes still only level 20. This isnt time efficient at all. Its a time sink. Thats a total waste of his time, if he wants to continue to play the game, and not repeat everything. And lets be honest, other than the fanboys, how many people want to repeat everything at this point? Ive been through hutta twice, and the second time I was barely able to get through it, I was so tired of it. 1-25 is ~30-40 hours. If you are a normal person with a life you can afford maybe 2 or 3 hours a day to play. So thats two weeks minimum, assuming he can play all weekend too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranid Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 This was posted earlier, but you may have missed it. They actually announced at Comicon that they "are going to allow it". So the original decision was "yes" He even states that advanced classes are "Class specializations". This point alone should clear up any debate about that issue in this thread too. 1st Day: SWTOR Comic-con 2011 Dev Q&A @July 21 Stephen Reid on Advanced Class ‘Switching’ December 1st, 2011 http://torwars.com/2011/12/01/stephen-reid-on-advanced-class-switching/ Did you forget already. What they say at the conventions isn't legal and binding unless it has been posted upon the forum site. And really no body takes the things Stephen Reid says seriously anymore. Just read what he says in the article. It may or may not but no one has discussed it as a possibility before launch or even shortly after launch. He contradicts what was said at the convention. But as a result of this discussion and the Flip Flop way Bioware has been addressing matters, I have changed my sub from six months to one month. I will quit if they cater to the lazy people that want everything on a silver patter. Next thing you know people will be complaining as to why my character can't go up in levels and do quest for me when I am off line. My companions can do missions when I am not logged in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadiva Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) I'm 32, and they have had respec in WoW forever. Will you get over your insane semantics issue. WoW does not allow you to switch between class types. Not now, not before, not ever. It allows you to respec your talent tree specialisations and so does SW:tOR. Again for those who utterly fail to realise this game works on the DAoC class mechanics: Viking - thane - stormcalling Viking - skald - battlesongs Base class - Advanced Class - Skill Tree Sith Warrior - Sith Marauder - Carnage Sith Warrior - Sith Jugganaut - Vengeance It's there in black and white how the damn thing works. A thane is not a skald. A Marauder is not a Juggernaut. I've played UO, LOTRO, WOW, and now TOR. None of those had a class choice at 10. And I've played Dark Age of Camelot which had a class choice at level five and EverQuest II which had a class choice at level 10 and at level 15 (or might have been 20 can't remember now) so was there a point you were trying to make? Edited January 14, 2012 by Cadiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I would say NO to this. with one tiny exception: Let us switch once between level 10 and 20, because during those levels you really learn if you like your AC or not and its a pain to reroll just to switch AC if youve reached that far. (yes, ive done it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethality Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) This was posted earlier, but you may have missed it. They actually announced at Comicon that they "are going to allow it". So the original decision was "yes" He even states that advanced classes are "Class specializations". This point alone should clear up any debate about that issue in this thread too. 1st Day: SWTOR Comic-con 2011 Dev Q&A @July 21 Stephen Reid on Advanced Class ‘Switching’ December 1st, 2011 http://torwars.com/2011/12/01/stephen-reid-on-advanced-class-switching/ I have done a bunch of interviews w/ BioWare devs myself and the answer has always been different. But the decision was made by developers, not testers. (Not external testers, anyway.) The bottom line is the game shipped without it because the developers thought it was not the right thing for the game at this time. And since they did ship with it, my belief is a feature like that won't happen until the first expansion, if at all. It would be a major NGE-type move if they did it sooner. Edited January 14, 2012 by Lethality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadiva Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 no, im pretty sure they pulled the plug a few months back in preperation for the launch of SWTOR. they even had a whole forum section dedicated to people from SWG to help them locate one another when ingame. maybe you should read the news once in a while. Urm you two aren't on different sides, he's talking about DAoC not SW:G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Will you get over your insane semantics issue. WoW does not allow you to switch between class types. Not now, not before, not ever. It allows you to respec your talent tree specialisations and so does SW:tOR. Again for those who utterly fail to realise this game works on the DAoC class mechanics: Viking - thane - stormcalling Viking - skald - battlesongs Base class - Advanced Class - Skill Tree Sith Warrior - Sith Marauder - Carnage Sith Warrior - Sith Jugganaut - Vengeance It's there in black and white how the damn thing works. A thane is not a skald. A Marauder is not a Juggernaut. And I've played Dark Age of Camelot which had a class choice at level five and EverQuest II which had a class choice at level 10 and at level 15 (or might have been 20 can't remember now) so was there a point you were trying to make? In the youtube video I posted the Developers THEMSELVES call Advanced classes "class specializations." This is not even a debate anymore. AC is not a class. The devs say it in the video themselves. And by the way, which trainer does a sorcerer go to? Ahhh yes, the Sith inquisitor. Because a Sorc is A "Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer", or Sith Sorc, or Sorc for short. Same Main stat Same Class quests Shared Abilities Same Ship Same Trainer Same companion Same Armor type Even a shared talent tree. Both fall under the same forum heading. etc....I could go on and on. You cant say this about a wow rogue vs mage, but you can say it about a Sorc vs Assasin, as they are both the same class. Inquisitor. Why is this even being debated anymore? Theres no debate to be had here. If you disagree then your simply choosing to ignore facts. The only proof anyone can submit to uphold their false idea that an AC is a seperate class is by referencing other games. if you look to swtor itself, without comparing it to any other game AC is clearly NOT a class in its own right. Even the forums are arranged that way. Sorc is under Inquisitor. becuase Sorc is a type of Inq, There is so much more evidence proving Ac is not a class its hilarious someone would even attempt to argue otherwise. Edited January 14, 2012 by Redorbz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwiggiddy Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Actually you are wrong. Powertech and Mercenary are two complete different Advances classes(or specializations) of one Class. Picking either will change your playstyle and core abilities completely. Saying they are the same as a Holy priest or shadow priest, which in wow are nothing more but talent changes, just like this game has talent changes. Pyrotech or Shieldtech would for example be the right way to compare Holy or shadow priest. The story however is based on the entire Class, regardless of choosing your advanced Class. This is what people don't want to admit. They do in fact want to change from a sorceror (priest) to an assassin (rogue). Sorry folks, this game has eight classes. They all start at level 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Sorry folks, this game has eight classes. They all start at level 1. Your correct. 4 classes for each faction for a total of eight. Edited January 14, 2012 by Redorbz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesPicard Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I really don't see the point in class switching, truthfully. If you just take time and really look at what the classes can and can't do, you'll be able to figure out which path you want to take. And if you're not happy with the skill tree you've chosen, there are two others you can put your points in instead. And I can't honestly understand why you can't just play over again if you want to try a new one. If you're that adamant about not playing through the story again, then don't. Just pick which one you'd rather play, and play it. I know the minority will be on fire about this, but really, the majority of us are fine the way it is. And the point of the game is to have fun anyway. If you're not having fun, do something else. What's the point of continuing to play? If you just can't reroll, but you can't continue, stop playing the charecter and play one you like. It all seems pretty simple to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) They do in fact want to change from a sorceror (priest) to an assassin (rogue). . Thats a terrible comparison btw. A rogue in this game is much more closely related to a Imperial agent Operative, not a sith inquisitor assassin. Operative has stealth, poison coated blade, poison dart, backstab, CC from stealth. So an assassin isnt as close to a rogue, compared to an operative. Edited January 14, 2012 by Redorbz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadiva Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) The only proof anyone can submit to uphold their false idea that an AC is a seperate class is by referencing other games. if you look to swtor itself, without comparing it to any other game AC is clearly NOT a class in its own right That's why it's arguing over semantics. Whether BioWare say Class or they say Advance Class or they say Specialisation is actually irrelevant. BioWare have made it pretty clear that what you choose at level 10 is the Class/Advanced Class/Specialisation/Nuclear Submarine/Tractor/InsertWhateverNameYouLikeHere you're going to be playing for the rest of the game so make sure you know what you're choosing when you pick it. That means they're treating the final eight choices as being SEPARATE from the first four you choose to start with no matter what they choose to call them. Edited January 14, 2012 by Cadiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathCorp Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Advanced Classes are classes. Not specs. That is the fundamental thing you have to understand, when you pick your advanced class, you are picking your CLASS. It should not be changeable, as previously someone said it would be like changing from a bounty hunter to a warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 That's why it's arguing over semantics. Whether BioWare say Class or they say Advance Class or they say Specialisation is actually irrelevant. BioWare have made it pretty clear that what you choose at level 10 is the Class/Advanced Class/Specialisation you're going to be playing for the rest of the game so make sure you know what you're choosing when you pick it. That means they're treating the final eight choices as being SEPARATE from the first four you choose to start with no matter what the hell they choose to call them. Your right about part of that. But the difference is, they announced publicly, and in various print sources that it would be possible to change AC, post launch. which proves that even they understand the significance, and advantage of implementing this. Regardless of the semantics of "Is ac its own class" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfatcheric Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 And for those who picked a advanced class they didn't like then what? I would hate to rerole and spend all of that time getting back to the point I was at. For example I chose Assassin think it would be fun, it wasn't. I fully understand how to use it but I hate it so much. But I am a lvl 20 and I don't want to rerole becuase unlike some people I don't have that much time. Anyway there are no cons to respecing your advanced class so /signed. There is a con, I dont like it, so now you're proven wrong. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redorbz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Advanced Classes are classes. Not specs. That is the fundamental thing you have to understand, when you pick your advanced class, you are picking your CLASS. It should not be changeable, as previously someone said it would be like changing from a bounty hunter to a warrior. There are four classes, each with 2 specialisations. Same Main stat Same Class quests Shared Abilities Same Ship Same Trainer Same companion Same Armor type Even a shared talent tree. Both fall under the same forum heading. etc....I could go on and on. In the youtube press conference I posted, the devs say "class sepcialization". We wont agree on this until they make another statement. So until then, its moot point. Can someone post something of value to this discussion , rather than batting around this same tired issue of "AC is a class or AC is not a class"? Surely there are more salient points to be made, without bringing this up. Edited January 14, 2012 by Redorbz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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