LFG Tool is NOT Needed

Teladis · January 12, 2012

Here is why....

I played WoW for 7 years. Groups used to be great. Then an LFG tool was introduced. After that it was hard to keep a group together because the first time everyone died people would drop group for a new one. After the LFG tool was introduced people in groups also turned into asses about jsut about everything that didn't go their way.

So in regards to an LFG tool, I say hell no.

EDIT: I NEVER have a hard time find a group, and I'm not in a guild.

Your points are not valid.

What happens with you is not what happens with everyone else. To say something is needed because you are lucky enough to get groups when you want is trolling.

People are jerks even without the tools.

People still Ninja even without them.

The queue looking for dungeon system does more for the game over hurting it.

When I log on to play, I want to play. I don't want to log on and have a chance to play the content I want to play. If I want to do a flash point, and only have a few hours to play today. The queue system does all the things that saves me time.

Also, while people say "It hurts the community" that is false also, What hurts the community more is a bunch of people spamming "Lfg so and so" Or sending tells to everyone. The answer to them same community people is "Make friends and join guilds" My answer to that is, If I'm force to make friends just to see content in todays MMO, this game won't last on the market.

MMO has changed a lot from the old days. It's not just for social thing, Playing online with others is fun, making friends is cool, but at the same time some people don't either have the time, or not really that social to start with, but enjoys having a world where he can make money and do things with people.

I use to make friends for loot in the older mmos. I grew up...Now, I only make friends with people who I like. Not, because they are good at the game. It's time for bioware to grow up.

Bigguyonarock · January 12, 2012

Or sort by people actually flagging themselves in the LFG.

Right, Filter to LFG. Click on Rank to position to filter highest level to the top. Or if your sub-50 "LFG [your level]".

Sometimes I'm open to Tank/Heal/DPS more than one Flashpoint.

At most, 5 more characters. Not that big of a deal.

Ooh goodie, you use it. Shame you are probably not looking for my group and you are like the only other person using it.

Yea... so stop acting like the tool doesn't exist and start encouraging people to use it.

Yes. User-error, not the counter-intuitive design. If something as integral as a LFG system on an MMO is not being utilized by a large portion of the player base that is a Developer problem, not a user one, because the Users almost always go for the greater convenience for them. Clearly this is not convenient.

I'd like to know exactly what is inconvenient about checking a box and setting a comment. I'm not going to argue that developers can't improve upon it. Because they can. They should.

If anything, the tool should be a seperate menu with a seperate UI button. But, it's not. That doesn't mean the tool magically doesn't exist. We're not 5 month year olds. Just because something is out of sight doesn't mean it suddenly vanished from the universe.

Teladis · January 12, 2012

Oh and the tool we have right now is retarded, Just add a stupid queue system. Yes even make it cross server, because at the rate this game is going, you need to plan for the future on them low pop servers and one sided factions.

Bigguyonarock · January 12, 2012

So the solution to the problem of grouping is to "encourage people to use the LFG tool" while I'm standing around the fleet spamming general? I'd rather not sit around the fleet while everyone continues to ignore the lfg tool. It's going to take a long time for people to figure out and I'd rather quest or do PvP. We need a Flashpoint finder

So would I. Instead of waiting for the developers to slap new players in the face and scream at them in a bold tutorial on the loading screen "THERE IS AN LFG TOOL IN /WHO" let's instead tell people, "Hey, check out the LFG function in /who."

I see 4 different threads every day for people clamoring for a LFG function in the game, and apparently none of them know one already exists. That's a problem.

And now it seems, when you try to make people aware of it, their argument is. "That tool sucks because nobody uses it, so I don't use it."

Huh?

Edited January 12, 2012 by Bigguyonarock

NoiseTankXIII · January 12, 2012

I'd like to know exactly what is inconvenient about checking a box and setting a comment.

Maybe you should start doing a survey. Lot's of people aren't doing it. I'm pretty sure you are aware of that. Why aren't they doing it? Because nobody looks at it. I would be honestly curious to the reaction you would get if you were to say in the middle of the /1 LFG/M spam 'Hey guys check out the LFG tool!'.

I'm willing to bet 5000 credits you will get A) mocked, B)vague interest 'oh hey he's right. thats cute... LFM-' or C) silence.

If anything, the tool should be a seperate menu with a seperate UI button. But, it's not. That doesn't mean the tool magically doesn't exist. We're not 5 month year olds. Just because something is out of sight doesn't mean it suddenly vanished from the universe.

The tool is bad. It is bad because it isn't visible, requires the user to fiddle around windows and tabs and input stuff. I know that's an affront to most tech-savvy technological savants around here including me but that's the way the Republic ship flags.

Hilariously enough, the LFG tool is even less social than LFG/M spam.

Edited January 12, 2012 by NoiseTankXIII

Teladis · January 12, 2012

So would I. Instead of waiting for the developers to slap new players in the face and scream at them in a bold tutorial on the loading screen "THERE IS AN LFG TOOL IN /WHO" let's instead tell people, "Hey, check out the LFG function in /who."

I see 4 different threads every day for people clamoring for a LFG function in the game, and apparently none of them know one already exists. That's a problem.

Oh you mean that same tool, that has not worked in other mmos? Ya, that is super lazy way of making a lfg system.

The Queue system works, It made MMOS better for many types of players. For them not to have it on a next gen MMO is laughable.

Gehoornde · January 12, 2012

LFG tool might be not needed, but yet it will be added to the game.

a_coathanger · January 12, 2012

I think this is a fantastic idea.

The best option would be realm Priority in LFG so it checks your realm first. After that it opens to other realms.

NoiseTankXIII · January 12, 2012

The best option would be realm Priority in LFG so it checks your realm first. After that it opens to other realms.

WoW LFG also has this.

SURPRISE!

faztazfuk · January 12, 2012

I agree with this 100%

Bigguyonarock · January 12, 2012

Maybe you should start doing a survey. Lot's of people aren't doing it. I'm pretty sure you are aware of that. Why aren't they doing it? Because nobody looks at it. I would be honestly curious to the reaction you would get if you were to say in the middle of the /1 LFG/M spam 'Hey guys check out the LFG tool!'.

I'm willing to bet 5000 credits you will get A) mocked, B)vague interest 'oh hey he's right. thats cute... LFM-' or C) silence.

The tool is bad. It is bad because it isn't visible, requires the user to fiddle around windows and tabs and input stuff. I know that's an affront to most tech-savvy technological savants around here including me but that's the way the Republic ship flags.

Hilariously enough, the LFG tool is even less social than LFG/M spam.

A majority of players don't need to need to look at it. They just need to check the little box, set the comment and go on their way. If you're of the minority of players who are willing to take a leadership role (however minor) and form a group, then checking list every now and then might be for you.

I'd be interested to see what type of person would mock someone for making them aware of a useful in-game function. Vague interest is better than ignorance, and Silence is a common answer to most things said in General Chat.

The tool is bad. It's not obviously visible. But it's not hidden either. We're not navigating through the bowel's of EVE's UI here. The tool shares a window with /who.

Type /who and you're at the LFG tool. Easy as that.

Hopefully BW polishes it further. But right now, how about instead of saying "BW needs to add a LFG tool" we say "BW needs to improve the LFG tool". In the meantime let's fix the problems we can fix ourselves and educate the playerbase via word of mouth instead of waiting around with our thumbs up our ***.

Bigguyonarock · January 12, 2012

Oh you mean that same tool, that has not worked in other mmos? Ya, that is super lazy way of making a lfg system.

The Queue system works, It made MMOS better for many types of players. For them not to have it on a next gen MMO is laughable.

Laughably not that big of a deal. A queue system, while extremely convenient, won't make or break party forming.

Moricthian · January 12, 2012

Laughably not that big of a deal. A queue system, while extremely convenient, won't make or break party forming.

Wrong. I use the LFG tool BW provides and it does nothing. Every attempt that I've made over the last week to form a group for a flashpoint has failed. I've completely given up on them. At this point, LFG tool would be the only way I can do them.

Xiaoki · January 12, 2012

I have come around to the idea of a LFG tool. As long as its same server of course. No need for cross server groups.

Same server LFD tool would be pointless.

Rift's LFD tool was originally same server only but then was quickly made cross server.

If you are on a lightly populated server then a same server LFD tool would be worthless.

If you are on at an odd time like 3am then a same server LFD tool would be worthless.

A LFD tool is only as useful as the pool of players it has to draw from. If you drastically limit the pool then you also drastically limit its usefulness. So, what would be the point of BioWare spending the time and resources in adding a LFD tool only to have it be worthless for half the day?

A same server LFD tool would only serve to draw contempt from both sides and please none.

ferroz · January 12, 2012

Here is why....

I played WoW for 7 years. Groups used to be great, especially when viewed throuygh rose tinted glasses. Then the groups started being not so great. Then an LFG tool was introduced and no real change happened.

Fixed (order of events)

After the LFG tool was introduced people in groups also turned into asses about jsut about everything that didn't go their way.

No, they were like that long before the lfd tool was added; in nearly 1000 groups (split between several characters) though the lfd tool, I'd say the percentages is less than 2% Edited January 12, 2012 by ferroz

Umbral · January 12, 2012

No, they were like that long before the lfd tool was added; in nearly 1000 groups (split between several characters) though the lfd tool, I'd say the percentages is less than 2%
Yup, I had 3 maxxed, and two mid range, and actively used the LFD tool. I can count on one hand the asses I had to deal with in all those runs. As opposed to here in this game, where I have one character to low/mid 30s and have already had 5 or 6 rotten experiences because of ******s in runs.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Umbral

Painstorm · January 12, 2012

I played WoW for 7 years. Groups used to be great. Then an LFG tool was introduced...

Absolute nonsense!

I've had far more good groups than bad when using WoW's LFD tool.

Before it came, I had completely given up on doing instances on alts. After it was introduced, all my alts have done all instances, which has been great.

If you find it more fun to stand an hour on the space station spamming for group that never happens, we'll don't use the tool then. Simple as that.

Some of us actually enjoy questing and exploring, i.e. actually playing the game, while waiting for a group instead of just standing at the same spot looking at the screen, just hoping someone will answer your LFG spam.

ferroz · January 12, 2012

But if the LFD crowd only wanted fast groups, then why do they attack everyone's ideas for an LFG tool that remains server only?

Well:

They don't; lots of people are pro lfd and pro-single server; I'd say around half of them. So saying that the lfd crowd in general is attacking the idea of single server is just not true.
Some of the ones that aren't arguing for single server (I'd say the biggest group of these): they see the fact that single server lfd doesn't work in a lot of situations, primarily: low-mid levels, low population server, off peak times or combinations of these. They attack the idea of a single server lfd because they see it as killing the usefulness of the tool for the majority.
There is group that is pro-lfd and anti-server boundaries. These people see the idea of individual servers locked off from each other as an antiquated concept, and are all for things that tears down those walls. This one's fairly small, but they exist. They attack single server lfd because is an necessarily arbitrary limitation that does nothing but make the tool less effective
There's a group that isn't really pro-lfd or anti-lfd, and argue against the bad arguments on either side. Since the anti-lfd side has more of these, they get hit by this group. They attack the idea of a single server lfd because the people in favor of it don't actually have very good arguments. They stop attacking once you add a valid argument for your case, but if you continue to use bad logic, insults, rhetoric, and large font in pace of arguments you'll continue seeing them
And then there's the tiny miniscule fraction of 1% that are griefers looking for a better way of griefing. They attack the tool because they want to grief.

It's possible that I missed a group.

They attack LFG tool ideas because all an LFG tool does is provide fast groups, but it does not let these greifers behave anyway they want, so the greifers demand a wow copied LFD, with full griefer protections.

There's no significant increase in griefers between single server and cross server lfd. In both cases the rate is miniscule. Edited January 12, 2012 by ferroz

RocNessMonster · January 12, 2012

WoW brought this in for the very reason it knew their client base which was very loyal was also getting older, they had less time to play as they now had other commitments such as GFs, families, babies work responsibilities and good old fashion fresh air and sunlight

Then why is the next expansion for WOW meant to appeal to children? Pokemons and Kung Fu Pandas, are those really supposed to appeal to adults? Blizzard knows that the adult base is moving away from their game (and frankly the genre).

OMGMYNAMEISTAKEN · January 12, 2012