I barely read the post or the other replies so sorry if I repeat anything but here's how I see it... assuming this will be your first 50 and you can't legacy anything. Max both reg and ranked coms. Use reg coms on WH pieces, main and off hand first. Then start going for the set bonus of your choice, start reverse trading ranked coms for reg coms. Because of the minimal rewards you get from elite war hero it's much more beneficial to focus on war hero first. No one should be wearing recruit and elite war hero at the same time. Later... get yourself some PvE mods, drop expertise accordingly to your class and spec. Moddable belt and bracers and once all that is done... then work on ranked coms and getting the slight increase in stats from elite war hero. You won't even be using the entire piece, only an armoring and either a mod or enhancement will be useful at this point. Much like min/max with WH, you will be only using some modifications from gear and not the entire piece. IMO, you should be min/max before even considering using coms on EWH.

Thanks Funk... it's def true... I have a little fun but for the most part I try to be constructive. And as far as this goes... for me and I know a lot of the rated players on my server. We don't care about regs... it's like our break time to have some fun. Rated becomes very heated, stressful and intense. As much as I enjoy the competition... If I played all of my games like that it would stop being fun. Hell... me and the other GM will jump on our sorcs and fire pull each other in regs. We play around, troll each other, troll enemy players, tunnel... simply because we can and regs don't matter. Our chat almost never has anything to do with the match, we never call targets in regs or pay attention half the time. It's like a vacation from serious PvP.

While smash CAN be effective I agree... in a rated game single target burst rules all. Smash can be effective because it can make a healers life hell... but against a good team who sees it and spreads out so someone is not getting those 20K smashes... it then becomes secondary to the burst of carnage or pyrotech. It does have it's place... but I think it's over rated and fine as is. Sadly it's going to get nerfed into the ground it looks like. Not gonna complain tho... I prefer carnage or annihilation and even vengeance. TL;DR I agree

LOL... we actually plan on streaming it... just hoping I get my PC back in action in time. hopefully tonight. Just got married a week ago and doing a complete wipe on PC while moving the wifey into the house. Lots going on but when I log in THIS is first priority. Should be pretty funny and if it goes as planned I'll def post the link. You can click on legacy name in sig and follow too.

Teabagging is recommended.... but not required.

LOL nice... we'll prob be over there this wkend to stir it up some more. Perhaps even take it over a create a toll and cash in on this event.

It's the only reason I stay... it's just like your stream Murk only less beard.

LOL <3 Bummed I missed it... damn real life.

Horrible... hasn't BW unsubbed the game for you yet?

Poly... Ignore him... this guy is just a no name that's mad that he got smashed on by my guild in a reg. He really won't bring anything constructive nor would I take his PvP "knowledge" seriously. He's spent the last 2 weeks just following me on every thread and throwing out insults. Personally I love it... if I can make someone rage it means I'm doing something right. And I only understand half of what he's typing as well... I would guess that there's a language barrier here.

True that... I've been wanting to play around with some different set ups and some are up for it and some aren't. We have some players who are I think afraid to break away from the norm because they have the mentality of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Personally I would like to try more unorthodox set ups just for the sake of experimenting. I'd love to run 3 snipers against Synergy and their smash heavy teams. I like the idea of 2 assassins now. We've tried a 3 healer team with 1 tank against Synergy and that went pretty well. Def would want to experiment more but hard to break people away from the norm, especially when good guilds like you guys and Synergy are q'ing. People are afraid to take a loss, or go against the better guilds for the sake of experimenting.

Makes sense... Given I know you and MVP of course I was definitely curious about what you thought about it. Especially since Synergy is really smash happy and have had some success against you guys recently. I've always leaned towards the jug DPS idea but then again... other than Palm, I can't say we have another DPS assassin that's rated ready to that level of play. But in the end... we've always learned a lot from playing you guys so appreciate the feedback. And I couldn't agree more about the huttball thing with 2 assassins... running against you guys with 2 assassins in huttball makes me want to kick a kitten.

There's the obvious... Tanks: jug and sin Heals: sorc and op The not so obvious... DPS we play with a lot of different set ups but the comps I prefer and the server seems to prefer is a mix of PT's, snipers, jugs and marauders. With a minimum of one marauder and one sniper and IMO one PT. Which basically means that the 4th spot can be played with (even the PT spot can be switched, I just prefer a PT for single target burst and utility). From what I've seen, different things work for different maps. For a map like voidstar obviously it would be preferred to have a jug fill that DPS spot but for civil war I would prefer a sniper. That's the way I see it... short version anyways. And no... no one is really running commandos or mercs. I've seen people do it... I've seen people win doing it. But I doubt any competitive PvP guild would say that they would prefer a commando or merc over any one of the other DPS classes I listed.

Don't you think it would be more viable to run a DPS jug with smash as it is right now? Can still tank or hybrid for the huttballs and voidstar defenses... and any given player will likely put up a ton more DPS as a smash jug vs a DPS assassin. Like you said... "playing to full potential" but even if the best assassin was given a rage jug I would put money on it that they would put up far more DPS as a jug. Or do you favor the assassin for the single target burst which we all know is key in competitive PvP?

As a marauder mainly I agree for the most part but where I disagree... Frenzy: If i was going to do as much DPS as possible I would be popping it on cooldown (depending on CD's such as gore, ravage, etc.) But... as carnage marauder mainly it's my job to ensure that I have predation ready when needed. So I sacrifice some DPS for utility, situational awareness and teamwork. It's a fine line... but there is a line.

LOL... I was just trollin... nothing serious. Just bored at work. And if you've seen me stream you've only seen me play regs... and yes... in regs I could care less and I tunnel hard. I actually agree with much of what you said, your reply is funny actually. I take the spot on our rated team because of my attention to detail, lack of tunneling, team work and situational awareness. (when I'm sober) But if you've seen me play regs I can see why you'd see me as a stat whore. Don't take me seriously... it's just the internets.

Throw down one AOE in the middle of em all and watch all hell break loose.

It's funny because it's true.... It's also sad because it's true...

I found your last post much more informative than this one...

1. Shadow -Pros: Viable for DPS, tank or hyrbid -Cons: Will spend much time node guarding 2. Gunslinger -Pros: Great DPS and at least one is needed for any team -Cons: None 3. Sage -Pros: Stun bubble and at least one sage healer needed for every rated team. As DPS becomes much less viable and a gunslinger would be preferred. -Cons: As DPS it only becomes viable if spec'd into stun bubble. A Gunslinger is a much better straight ranged DPS class. 4. Commando -Pros: None, in comparison to other DPS and healer classes... commando is the least viable for both. -Cons: Lack of defense and burst. Just my 2 cents.

SO much of this... I crack up. The irony is incredible... IDK but if I sucked that bad I would keep quiet and hope I got carried and went unnoticed. The trash talkers are nearly always the weakest links in a war zone.

The thought of eliminating back fill has already been discussed in several threads by the mathematicians who came up with the brilliant idea to have a group only queue. Backfill that.

For the first time since release I feel like they're PART of the community. I can't say it enough, but this is exactly what we need.

I f'ing love the new PvP forum team... seriously... have my babies.

Oh man... I hope you're on Bastion because you'll have something else to complain about soon. Ilum 2.0 = profit.