i seen this too.Our doors had just opened and BAM game over.

actually we need more involvement from YOU guys....how about you guys play this game for a few weeks then you can see first hand how out of wack it is.

meh rathamons druid videos were better.search youtube for real resto druid pvp and return of pwn.

its pretty hard to help someone standing around not pressing any buttons the whole match and as long as bioware allows those people to get free comms and gear, then it should be a solo players game plain and simple.95% of the matchs I end up in, some guy with zero dps,zero heals, zero kills gets 4 or more MVP votes. Whats he doing for the team? making it harder on everyone else who want to play, the problem there however is once they see the 1 person doing it, the next does it and the next.

well the flat our pure and simple reason is: lower the dps so millions of people dont make stealthers.otherwise everyone would be a assassin and then it would be called assassin wars.When I first came up in game I thought hey this is a good looking character, nice stealther would be like my rogue in wow.However after me and my friend duo'd up to 50, ran around pvping in the world and eventually into the lame arena type stuff called warzones, we decided to switch over to ranged, and guess what? now that we have done OP's, commandos, bounty hunters we see just how assassins are a joke.We were annoying on 2 assassins no matter what spec we played, however on 2 OPs, commandos, or BH's we are unstoppable.

melees still have a long way to go and alot of things they need to be competitive, the obvious favor is with ranged.

murdocpvp's are pretty good if you turn off the sound.however I have pretty much given up on my assassin and anything that uses melee since I found how easy it is to kill with ranged.Lightsabers and melee are lies.It just makes you fodder.

Not true those numbers are rare on a sin, In fact the only saber swinger thats on par are warriors really.Ranged has the obvious advantage, I cant count the times I killed ppl in the air and once targeted its pretty much a death sentance, they cant escape the range like they can the melee, anything using melee is fodder for the gun. At 32 me and a friend took down a full WH geared jedi, we simply ignored his pet and kited him until he died.We are now working on the rebel counterpart to our ops just to see if their is a difference and the rebel ones are much better.Even still though after playing commandos, bh's, snipers and gunslingers, anything with a gun is much more forgiving at lower gear levels and are so OP and unbalanced it isnt funny. Assassins/sages do not have the survivability that stealthers in other games do, in other games stealthers do mad damage, are pure glass tigers, thats why they work, in swtor, sins and such are simply fodder for a cannon, the stealth is too easy to be seen, i have had ppl see me and follow me in stealth and its rare to get the opening on a experienced player, yet you dont do any serious damage to them and any one with brains will just kite you laughing.And thats only IF you somehow dont end up stunlocked and cc'd watching your life bar hit 0 from all those ranged who now decided you are a free kill.

there will be no 3rd star wars MMO, the next time its tried it will be killed before it hits alpha because of swg and swtor.

wich is exactly why I didnt buy the game after the beta was up, didnt play it for this long and then bought it when the collectors edition only costed 15 bucks.I expect nothing good from ea due to past dealings with them and sony.However any other company releases a MMO and im all on the pre-orders and usually satisfied.Hell I even liked zone4 until they said i couldnt use joy2key.Id still recommend it as a simple pvp game.

well its not only the stuttering though, I have quite a few i7s and a i5 in my household, I also use a cable modem and a dsl in my household both are as high as i can get.I have laptops that can run multiple copys of other games on maxed out settings and my desktops look like something from nasa, really.On my main PC I can easily run 20 copys of wow, keyclone and dual box them all efficiently, in fact I do so every day with them all maxed out. Swtor however I have to turn off my second monitors or I see ribbons all over my screen like the old tkm animations.Once my second monitor is turned off, I have to make sure nothing else is running in the background, Also i cant play it in windowed mode it has to be fullscreen and everything in start menu has to be turned off. That could be dealt with easily enough however in addition to that it still stutters, takes forever to load screens, and really the only thing enjoyable is some parts of ground.Pvp in swtor is a joke at best, skill means nothing, its gear and stuns that win the day.Already got that in wow where the cc's are not as rampant and break on damage.at least there I am in control of any character I play 95% of the time.Much more fun, try it out. Even though I do hate to use wow to compare to this, its the easiest to do so with.once you get past the cartoony graphics of wow its still a better game, even though they tried to clone it with star wars, they failed. I played swg a long time, I put up with the CU, and the NGE and all the other changes that came down the pipe, I watched csr's do questionable things and can name specifics instances of certain csrs on lowca, and ahazi giving guildys jetpacks and such to provide advantages, so to come see this game in this shape after paying for it? yeah..there is a reason this games collectors edition sells for $15.00 bucks and its well deserved with the current state of it, Alot of fan boys are blinded by 'it's starwars i r teh jedi' syndrome, and do not see the imbalances and shortcomings of a playable game that takes some form of skill.

and if he leaves you will have to deal with having all that gear and not having anyone to kill.vicious circle there cowboy.

fair enough! lets communicate then! Ill ask a series of questions, in a order and we'll see if they get simple, non-fluff answers. 1. will my brand new sony vaio i7 model pcg-81114L that had a year warranty from sony and a recall on it for the problem that kept it sitting all this time ever get resolved? 2. will it ever be able to play a game without overheating after 20 minutes? 3. Why has no one honored that warranty and/or recall, instead giving me a run around about viruses < wich is funny seeing as how its never been able to be used long enough to run a virus > 4. If no one will honor that warranty or the recall on it do you think perhaps you can pay me back for the lap top I had to buy to replace that hunk of junk? I dont really expect a relevant answer because we all know its take the money and run with EA wich is why I asked em about a something not related to the game in question.And yeah i replaced that junk vaio and bought a PC from a real company who actually honors their word without trying to sidestep the issues in question. we dont want info on a new way to mass stun everyone into oblivion, we want answers as to why our overpowered hardware has issues running this simple minded program.

I agree with this 100% but id like to add a few things, SWG had the best pet system of ANY game I have ever played, unfortunately they nerfed it beyond rediculous and finally removed it.They should have had the hindsight to know people loved creature handlers, tkms and all of the stuff that made the masses flock to wow. they tried to go in a different direction with swtor? to most it looks like they tried to make a quick buck, Why did wow get so big in the first place? thats a simple answer, all the players who hated trials of atlantis, the nge and everything else EA was doing at the time migrated to wow because it came along at the right time when all those things were happening.It wasnt that great, however it was better than what was being done to the games we were playing. Alot put alot of hope into this game being better than wow, but as I sit here typing I am constantly reminded by this sony vaio i7 I payed all that money for that sony,ea and any company affiliated with them only care about the $$$$. this sony I own has spent more time off than it has on.It was warrantied yet they refused to fix it, recalled yet they refused to honor that and the thing wont even run a EA game.its why I no longer buy sony PC's they are overhyped and overpriced JUNK.The same is apparant of their games. I preorder 2 copys of warhammer online, I live in america.They sent me Euro versions of it.The pre order codes they promised came a full freaking month AFTER the game opened up.Thats the service you can expect.And like the many not discussed MMO's like matrix online, mco etc..this ones doomed by such practices too.

yeah just like it saved dcuo, matrix online and all the other ones they pulled the plug on right after they went f2p.The only thing thats going to save is peoples time that they can invest on doing other things.Watch and see.

the point is maybe someone who wants to keep their job will listen and get things fixed before it goes under like the other mmo's released by said company did. as for guildwars 2 i didnt even buy that one, I looked at the box and imediately ran for the bathroom.

I dont think its a issue of focusing only on the negative, but there is alot of negative to focus on for sure.The good things about the game are far outwieghed by the bad things in it. Red/blue/white ribbons all over someones screen is game breaking.A brand new i7 w/ dual video cards stuttering and lagging everytime one goes into huttball is game breaking.And before anyone says its the pc, I have 4 i7s and a i5 in my house, the game runs the same on all of them, my rigs arent $5.00 pc's either they are all equipped with n52tes, ssd drives, dual monitors, even the lap tops are top of the line, one is even a sony and that one runs it the worst, it overheats if it runs swtor more than a hour. Now lets discuss the dual monitor issue, disable one and the game is playable.I can only run 1 copy of swtor on a pc yet I can run 20 copys of wow at maxed out settings on that same pc.In fact http://www.youtube.com/minrathicus shows me doing just that in multiple games w/ no lag, no graphical issues and tearing people up.Look closely in the Horses video, notice Im dual boxing 2 deathknights, also look at zone 4, need for speed world and the other mmo's I put up on video. also the previous poster has a point as well, guided rail space combat? The reason I signed up in this game was STAR WARS..not to swing nerfed flashlights at god moded characters.Saber users are pretty much fodder for anyone with a gun, so its like playing a game of halo with masochists who get off on being beating to a pulp. pvp = spam stuns, spam roots, spam dd period.Its like the infiltrators in daoc, dragonfang chain trumps all.You can break out of 1 stun chain per 1 minute yet theres 10 other ones right behind it that are going to get spammed onto you so you wont move but 1 step before your whole life bar is empty.wrong answer for a mmo thats trying to live.

wow had 14.5 million subscriptions at one point, however it was discovered most of those were from people who had 4 and 5 accounts.That alone says something.I own 4 wow accounts and I keep them all active.Yeah i play wow, why? because the other games I thought I might have liked simply are unplayable compared to wow.In wow I run 2 lvl 25+ guilds with 1700+ people in them, I have 300-400 quit every day and more to join, in fact we have discussed bringing up a 3rd and naming it accordingly. here? I keep my account and my sons account.He wont log in so his account will soon be history.Another star wars fan leaving swtor.Why would he want to? because he can play wow in the time he has available, he doesnt have the time to sit at his pc 24-7 for a broken game and he constantly says that.He is 14 yrs old, goes to school, is doing early colledge while in school and only gets 3 hours a night to play a mmo and considers this one a waste of effort when he is constantly cc'd and can do nothing about it because he simply lacks the gear wich he added up and wont attain for longer than he wants to put in.The game should be a escape from his day to day grind, not a job or chore he feels he has to do in order to BEGIN to play.

you mean from ea game to ea game.alot of the people who came to swtor were in other ea games that crashed and burned hard, dcuo, swg, daoc just name a few, any game written by EA is pretty much guaranteed to be a bust to people who started in the 90s with UO.Why is that you ask? because we seen it first hand. its been proven that star wars is a huge draw to anyone, so would star trek be, DC comics and many other sci fi type themes, however they keep letting the wrong people get control of it and then doing stupid stuff.Given the right resources any real gamer could destroy the bigger MMO's however its become more of a profit racket than a quality racket. UO in its infancy when Rainz killed british.Now that was quality. SWG in its infancy with the tusken king bug and creature handlers/Tera Kasi that was quality. DAOC before TOA, now that was quality. MCO before hazard hollow.Now that was quality. I bet any of those games under the same system with the few flaws they had fixed would have been the golden cash cow. the rest after that never had a chance. I started with the real old games on trash 80s, commie 64s and 8086 when a 300 baud modem made you a real nerd.Games like street rod, bards tale, keith the thief, kings quest the beginnings of gaming, Most of those games had substance, thats what is lacking now, especially in this game right now.Basically a jedi is a jedi is a jedi and pretty much cannon fodder. The things people enjoyed in the star wars movies wasnt watching their heros get blown to smithereens in 1 hit.It was watching them bounce bolts away with sabers and riding around on beasts and being epic.I dont recall no one in star wars being stun locked for a hour or spending hours out of control of themselves 90% of the movie except han who was frozen in carbonite.

Alt+F4 = problem solved.Click on swtor icon and log back in.

they do, however they also released TOA spouting ppl are game addicts and will pay no matter what they do or something to that effect.That was right about the time wow broke its 1 million customer between DAOC and SWG's fiascos.Imagine that, and no EA mmo has gotten off the ground since although alot of them have closed.

actually im in wow right now..the point isnt the cc, the point is the cc doesnt break on damage.In wow however it does.You wont be cc'd until you die from a dot wich is exactly where swtor failed.Also in wow you cant be chain feared, just doesnt happen and those cc abilitys in wow are channeled so can be easily interupted. the solution is so obvious im surprised lil bitty me can point out the solution but the educated ppl who write the game cant.

Ask that question on a real gaming forum not owned by EA and enjoy the flaming you get, Not to mention after they done laughing at your post they will tell you there isnt a option for - numbers wich is what most ppl already think of it. This reminds me of when I left SWG there was that 1 NGE jedi in his brown force cloak running around trying to solo everything.You might well end up being that guy!

anything but inquisitor

^^this...no wonder the games dead.F2p wont fix it.anyway aside from the ranged's obvious advantage and over cc in game and other imbalances, the game is just plain and simple poo.Thats why they are trying to breath life back into.Same mistakes made with quite a few other EA mmo's.