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    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

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    So, Jayris, what's the deal... did you participate in the exploitation or not? Inquiring minds would like clarification please.
    BioWare would probably prefer people not make public confessions. BW already knows, and public knowledge of who committed the exploit just creates a bad situation for BW where, if that person is not banned, it may anger a lot of people.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

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    When you walk into a cinema and encounter a disturbing element, you can't force them [the thater owner] to change it. It's within their own discretion how and when they deal with it. If you're not contend with the way it was handled, you can move away.

    Well said. And don't expect a ticket refund if you watched half the show before you walked out.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

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    nice try, but it isnt as much work as you think it is. It is a case of querying a database, or logs, it maybe be a days worth of work.

    And how did you arrive at that conclusion? Just because you can summarize an action in one sentence, that does not make it easy to do.

     

    Do you simplisticly think that the loot is just sitting around in backpacks in its original shells waiting to be clawed back? Or have you considered that people can exchange tokens for gear, move mods via Legacy gear, sell mats, RE items to get schematics, use the exploit mats to make items, and sell those items by private trade and over the GTN? And that the ill-gotten gains and the derived gains thereof that are not bound can be traded, and re-traded, and put in Guild vaults, and exchanged for legit items via private trade or mail?

     

    Just tracking the "ill gotten gains" is a nightmare. Removing them is even worse. Say an innocent player buys, in a private trade, a 37 hilt crafted using exploit mats based on a schematic obtained by REing exploit drops. Does that player lose the hilt? Does he get his creds back? What if he did it via a COD email from the crafter - did you catch that in your tracking? What if the innocent player bought the mats and traded them for the exploit-derived hilt? What if the innocent player got the mats as a legit drop and traded them for an exploit-derived hilt? What gets clawed back? And I'm just starting to figure out all the ways the exploit wealth can flow. Buy a Hypercrate from the GTN with exploit-dervided creds and resell it: how do we track and then clawback that? The list goes on and on. You could spend more than a day just deciding, for each situation an innocent player might be in, whether they lose anything or are refunded anything.

     

    The game has too many ways to move stuff around. It's not just a days work to figure out how to reliably track exploit-derived gains, if the data is even still around to do it with. And then doing the clawback, a very risky thing to do, will take even more work.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

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    I agree with you. All ill gotten gains need to come out of the game.

    If it is even possible, identifying and then removing all the ill-gotten gains would require substantial effort by the SWTOR team. Plus it risks removing legitimately-acquired items from completely innocent players, especially if not performed very carefully. And it is not something that BW's CS call center employees can do. It will take coding by people with in-depth knowledge of the games internals.

     

    So how much should BW be willing to push back the patches for the bugs that make the game unplayable to achieve your goal? And push back the next release of new content as well. Would those push-backs be good for the game, the players, or BioWare? I think not.

     

    You're basically asking BioWare to punish itself . In fact, you're asking BioWare to inflict a self-punishment on itself that is far more severe, in its real life impact, than the punishment you want imposed on the exploiters.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    It really is a shame that BW doesn't crack down harder on the things that at least I consider to be far worse offenses.

    BTW, your signature may violate the ToS, Knorlac:

    Do not post in all capital letters, use excessive punctuation, etc. to draw attention to your posts.

    It really is a shame that BW doesn't crack down harder on people who do that.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    True enough. If they actually have such detailed records, the punishments (if they actually are going to happen) should have come down at the same time as the fix. It's best to act swift and decisively in situations like this rather than dither about while the problem festers.

    Perhaps the wait is the punishment. Sword of Damocles and all that.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Does pro hac vice require a judge's approval?

    It varies by state, but I think you need at least that. In some states the unadmitted* attorney may need to have an attorney admitted to that state's bar working with them on the case.

     

    * In the U.S. whether you can practice law in a state is never determined by whether you reside there. Lots of attorneys are admitted to practice in more than one state, and some states have reciprocity with some others, so that a lawyer admitted to the bar in the one state can easily gain admission to the bar of the other state.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Standing to enter a petition in the court on behalf of petitioners. ;) DERP!

    Still wrong. Please, stop, you do not know as much about law as you think you do.

    I've said about as much on these matters as I dare, so I am going to end by repeating my previous warning:

     

    Much of the legal analysis and advice being offered in these forums is dangerously wrong.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    LMAO. You do understand that unless you are an attorney in the state of California, you have no standing as to any impact to other players, right?

    That's entirely wrong.

     

    First, lawyers serving as counsel in a case never have "standing," they just must be admitted to practice before the court the case is in (possibly pro hah vice).

     

    Plaintiffs have standing. Plaintiffs do not have to be attorneys and rarely are. And a resident of another state or even another country can have standing to bring suit in California state or federal courts.

     

    How can anyone believe all this legal analysis you are posting when you have demonstrated that you do not understand the meanings of fundamental legal terms every law school 1L has pounded into them? Please stop.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Although I will admit there is a bit of ambiguity here and there (which in the case of a contract clearly benefits the person bound by the contract as the general rule of practice)

     

    Not quite. All parties are bound to a contract, by definition.

     

    That said, in some U.S. states, at least in the 1980's, ambiguous terms were interpreted to the benefit of the person who did not write the contract. However, in other states, the courts will try to find the most likely reasonable meaning without considering who wrote what. I have no idea how California does it.

     

    That said, there are special rules in some states and countries for consumer contracts that aren't the result of any actual negotiation between the parties. So if you really care about understanding your rights under the ToS, you may be well served to contact an attorney that has some experience with California or U.K. consumer contract law.

     

    Many of the conclusions about the ToS and CC agreements that people are posting here may be dangerously wrong.

    It shouldn't need saying, but please do not rely on anything you read here in terms of legal advice or analysis.

    No actual lawyer who wants to retain their license to practice is going to offer you specific legal advice about your rights under the ToS or your credit card agreement in these forums.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    There are consumer protection laws that govern this, no terms of service will protect a company that willfully discontinues a service that has been paid for.

    Oh, the contract that is the ToS certainly will, when the other party to the contract breaches the contract by violating the Terms. Like by exploiting a bug to gain an unfair advantage, for example.

     

    "Break a deal, face the wheel." Resign yourself to it.

     

    Oh, and please note the indemnification clause of the ToS:

    Upon BioWare's or LucasArts request, you agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless BioWare, LucasArts and its affiliates, employees, contractors, officers, directors, vendors, and content providers from all liabilities, claims and expenses, including attorneys' fees, that arise from a breach of these Terms of Service for which you are responsible.

     

    Sure, it's just boilerplate, lots of contracts have clauses like this. But, If I were you, I'd pay a good attorney with some experience in these matters for some advice before attempting legal action against BioWare.

    I did the exploit...

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Anyone else willing to admit they did it? :)

    I would not be shocked to learn that BioWare would prefer that people not publicly admit it.

    They already know who did it, and other people knowing would just make things harder for them.

     

    For example, if someone who admitted their sin was not sanctioned at all and kept posting to the forums, business as usual, don't you think that would make some people here int he forums angry at BioWare?

     

    So please, give BioWare a break, this is hard enough for them already, even if that is partly their own doing.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Tell that to all the people that looted 198s constantly,

    You used the word "unlimited." "I do not think it means what you think it means." -- Inigo Montoya

     

    The Ravagers Exploit could be done at most once in HM and once in SM for each L60 toon each week.

    That's hardly unlimited, and it's not even very much stuff unless a very large number of people did the exploit.

    Are you saying that the latter is indeed the case? If so, how you figured that out would be nice to hear.

     

    Now the Collections Exploit of 2013, that was essentially unlimited, from what I understand of it.

    Ravagers Exploit Action Update

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Loyal players do not tear their game apart by deliberately using exploits.

    "tear the game apart" ? Isn't that complete hyperbole? The harms people have identified as flowing from the Ravagers exploit are hardly game breaking.

     

    It seems to me that, regardless of how much forum heat each generated, the bugs in the new Ops have done more to ruin most people's SWTOR experience than the Ravagers exploit did.

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