Nihilus has more powers than force drain, explain that. He could use the force, maybe?

Once again, Kriea never speaks all truths. Plus, she hated him, of course she will take every chance to put him down. Nihilus had more abilities than just force drain. I never said Nihilus had the power to drain worlds before he became a wound, and I know he wouldn't have that power should his wound disappear. I cannot stress this enough, Nihilus has more powers than force drain, and if you use the argument that his wound also bolstered those abilities, then the same goes for the exile. Either both of them can be considered for the lists, or neither of them.

Beni, a wound in the force isn't something someone can draw power off of. The only reason Nihilus' wound gave him the ability to use Force Drain (the only ability gained through the wound) was because the emptiness that he already had inside of him Edit: when Nihilus tried to drain the exile, he couldn't because she was a wound, and wounds don't hold any power. Nihilus and the exile were very similar indeed.

And where is it stated that Nihilus can only draw power from his wound?

He is not his hunger. He doesn't need a body to exist.

Traya also ofteb speaks metaphorically. You guys need to stop believing everything she says.

Listin, Nihilus learned the ways of the sith and the force. Force drain was the only power granted to him by g is wound.

No it doesn't. I proved that.

The way you answered made it seem like it. But honestly, did you read it? I gave a very good point about Nihilus and hishunger being different things. Nihilus had immense power outside of his wound, and also because he stored his spirit in his armor, he couldn't simply by existing.

She heard his voice because of the force bond they shared, I believe.

Apparantly you didn't read it either. Its on page 5

Wow, you didn't even read my post, did you? .....

Did he attempt to dominate her when she betrayed him? Was she currently in his presence when she effectively betrayed him?

Haha, hopefully it won't be that bad

Thinking about nexuses has made me wonder, if you are in one does that automatically mean that you are drawing on its power? What makes me wonder this is from what I've seen and read, it seems that when drawing ob a nexus' power, one usually makes an effort to do so. I.e. Bane with using that deathfield to kill the cultists in Andeddu's keep, it says heis drawing power from the keep. Traya says that she is drawing off the power of the Trayus core when she recieves her visions. In kotor 2, while in Freedon Nadds tomb, simply standing in a nexus does nothing, however meditating in one gives you a short boost of power. Anyone else's thoughts on this?

Her mind was never dominated by him. Those sith? They may have been somewhat willing, but they were very hesitant, and he didn't just trick them into doing it, he forced them to.

Changes wouldl be made, but I'm pretty sure that's not for another 2 or so years.

Thank you for agreeing with me, I thought I was alone here. Good point about Nihilus' condition being similar to Sideous', that seems to be the most likely case. As for a spot for Nihilus on the list, I think he should be above Traya, but below Bane. Meetra could only beat Nihilus with him being weakened and having Visas and Mandalore help her. However, she beat Traya by herself, while Traya was in a Dark side nexus. This was literally right after she fought Nihilus, so its not like she had a lot of time to get stronger. (Also, just a thought, thinking about it now makes me wonder if Traya weilding 3 lightsabers at once was also only because she was in a dark side nexus.)

First, I should refute ever saying the sith emperor, I don't want to start an argument with a bunch of angry people. Second, definately agree. We should decide on this.

Also, should Yoda be that high? I've read through all his force powers, and it seems that at least Darth Caedus should be above him (and possibly the Sith Emperor, but that's an argument I'm sure no one wants to hear, so I'll just leave that be). Yoda was impressive, but I'm hesitant to think he should be number 3.....

I can see what you are saying. You are saying that Nihilus draws his power from his wound and not the force at all. I'm sorry sir but I must disagree here. (This argument is gonna be long...) The only reason Nihilus and Surik's wounds were different was this: Nihilus' wound took the form of the emptiness inside of him, the emptiness was caused by him losing his family, friends, and his will to live during the Mandalorian Wars. This caused to to lash out the force to absorb another person's essence to appease his "hunger" and his painful memories. Nihilus was not "completely a wound in the force" as you say. Kreia simply states that his hunger has turned in into a being of pure intent, that intent being to satisfy his hunger. Here, it will be easier for me to explain what I want to say in story form: Imagine that one day, an extreme hunger overcomes your body. So what do you do? Eat something of course. But wait, soon the hunger comes back even stronger than before! So you eat even more this time. Well this cycle continues on for awhile and you soon have to learn how to eat mass quantities at a time to appease your hunger, along the way you learn some new skills that have nothing to do with that hunger. This hunger eventually becomes your life, you will do anything to appease it, but you still have a shred of humanity left in you. (So in other words this hunger becomes your "pure intent"). Would Nihilus lose all his power should his wound close up? At this point you have nearly lost all of who you were, but suddenly the hunger disappears for good. Do you die? No. It will take you some time to get your life back on track, but you become even better than before since you can now focus on the other skills you have learned instead of that terrible hunger. Nihilus would not lose his own power that he has gained through the teachings of the Sith, only the power gained through his wound, Force Drain. Even though Nihilus has become a "being of pure intent", he has still been shown to retain some of his humanity. He learned how to encase his spirit in his armor to avoid death. He trained Visas in the ways of the force. He could still speak, its just only a select few could understand him. Also, he has shown some affection to Visas (by getting angry when he discovered her betrayal) and was able to form a bond with her. He also created a holocron with his teachings in it. We don't know whether or not Nihilus was force sensitive before the wound, but he most likely was considering he was able to become a wound. Saying that he was consumed by his wound meant that he was driven by it to satisfy his hunger, in a metaphorical sense he "became his wound". Not that he actually became the wound. Here is a list of his powers (Aside from force drain) in your preffered Control, Sense, Alter format: Control: He encased his spirit in his armor to escape death, effectively being the only known person in the Star Wars universe to do this. He could also use Dark Healing. He also seemed to be able to hide his presence from the Jedi. Sense: He could sense the exile from across the galaxy, knew how to hunt prey (from across the galaxy) and worlds strong in the force would draw him. He was able to show Visas a vision. Alter: Lifted a fleet of ships from Malachor (albeit with the help of Malachor being a nexus, but is still impressive nonetheless) and held the Ravager together through the force. He used a dark version of Sever Force on Traya. His abilities also included Force Rage, force resistance, force scream, force lightning, force whirlwind, force choke, and he could bend people and beasts to his will.

She did it unwillingly, and through her wound she fed off others power (like Nihilus)

Nihilus was consumed vy his wound because the wound took the form of the emptiness inside of him, which was caused by him loosing everything he loved in the Mando wars.

Meetra was still amped pretty heavily by her wound, whether she was consumed by it or not.

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