yep, once everyone changes over to smashy smash then it will be easy to balance.

24/7 premades in the solo que as they farm gear

exactly this... Im not sure if they have made their money back from development and figure game is dying anyways and just dont care to put money/effort into fixing it? or they dont have the ways to fix it.

ran into a premade today ...somehow they got 7 of the same guild in there....7 smashy smashers and 1 ops healer. Somehow I didnt get the fun part of that wz. There seems to be fewer premades this weekend tho, maybe more solo ppl queing up to max out copmms I guess.

I kind of agree... if BW continues to crash and burn, maybe the next mmo that comes along will learn from it. Tho it worries me that fewer mmos will come along due to their failure.

unfort for BW this is whats happening. In the end we will all get our wishes It will be premade vs premade one way or the other....since the solo ppl will be gone and the premades will be the only ones queing.

regardless of what the BW is thinking with the combined ques atm, if they dont find some way in a hurry to make it more enjoyable for the solo que ppl (ie casuals), the game will go slowly die to attrition or go poof when any kind of decent new mmo comes out. Not sure Id be comfortable if I was BW living on the hopes that nothing mmo wise makes it down the line to release. Thankfully a new beta has opened and Ill be out of here when the acct timer is up (tho according to BW Ill be an active f2p acct still).

....except for the fact that it has happened ea time as population has dropped and only been mitigated by server consolidations. Ie the cycle repeats itself after ea consolidation> big pop gain good ques...slowly drops pop ques increase. The question I have is it the same on every server?

elii and joe..I know this and I play these times, but since you guys seem to have missed that...... These times show a loss of population much faster than others due to a loss of a few ppl having a much greater effect (due to a lesser population). Up til the last couple weeks, the ques at these times popped every 5 mins or so. Then they went to every 15 or 30 mins then stopped popping recently. Then the next slot started doing the same. Next will be the higher population times. This has happened over and over during swtor and is only solved by combining servers to this point. -- youll also see more and more posts about premades vs non premades as the population drops due to a smaller pool of ppl quing. -- as an aside, I know that you guys probably sleep/work during these times.... but I hope you can realize that there are ppl awake while you might be sleeping/working? and ( I know this one my be hard to fathom).. but there are ppl that sleep during the hours you work/go to school etc too.

Always seems the same, pvp ques start to slow down in the early am (3 to 7 am) then die...then the 7 am to 11 am slot starts to slow down (where we are now on shadowlands) then die. Always the same cycle of pop loss. This happening on the other servers too?

...or maybe there are 1 or 2 ppl out that that have families/jobs/ etc that dont have a set schedule or hours a night to play...just maybe (I know it's hard for young/single/unemployed etc ppl to understand...... but usually I get on have 30 mins to play and solo que. That's everyday 30 mins here , 30 mins there, get the daily done and back to RL.

It's a neverending cycle.... que for rated, get your butt handed to you by better teams, rage que for non rated so you can win, que for rated goes up, more rateds que for non rated .......round and round she goes. :edit: actually it gets worse.... to continue the cycle..... rateds keep going to non rated.....solo que ppl quit playing/go to other games, more and more often solo que ppl end up against premades due to fewer ppl queing overall, more ppl quit.... voila, non rated ques go up and game dies to loss of population.

actually they replied in a post today saying the mercs had 'escapability' problems. Id guess they fix it by taking away all knockbacks and stuns and make the current aoe kb root all pvp flagged chars including the BH (4 meter range). This gives all mercs a guaranteed escape to the rez area.

I was figuring theyd make all f2p ppl play a bh merc and have to pay to unlock other classes...

It is slowly getting worse on shadowlands as well. Just like last 2 times before ea merger, the ques start taking a bit longer to pop (like in the early am at this point) then that slowly cycles thru the whole day until ques get to be 10 to 20 mins or so. Then youll see a ton more premade vs non premade threads since there are more non premade ppl dropping subs and voia that leads to more and more ppl dropping subs and so on a big ol hairy circle of death for bw. Not really sure if BW has a prayer to stop it at this juncture. Hopefully the f2p will work, but it seems theyre doing it halfassed trying to draw blood from the turnip so to speak, so I dont hold much hope in that.

this.... Ive been farting around on a fresh 50 marauder and ops...it's amazing how much easier it is to totally destroy ppl with these other classes compared to a merc. I still enjoy the merc play style, but when I need a break from the hardcore, I got to these two for some easymode rest time.

Im so bad I have to join a premade to win.....

tried all that and notta..wasnt a ui thing as I could actually kill my own team/heal the enemy team and carry the ball for the enemy team...that made for a lot of crying from my real team btw (after the first 2 tries at carrying the ball I gave that up).

All I do at this point is occasionally lvl alts (can only handle a lvl or so at a time before bored with that) and pvp, but pvp is getting pretty frustrating queing solo playing premades so much. And before the premade qq train arrives with 'get a guild' 'get friends' etc so on. I play casually, at many diff hours for differing amounts of time due to rl obligations of being a parent, having a job, and rl friends that dont game.

I also had an odd huttball today... I was on frogdog team but frogdog team was red to me in the game and I could attack them.... the worm team was green to me and I got a score ea time they scored. Game ended 4 to 2 with worms winning but I got the defeat along with the frogdogs. Was a first for me.

doing my usual daily pvp running my 3rd wz. ! run was vs a premade (just 4 of them) 3rd wz was vs 8 of them (8 ppl from Physics)..... Of course I entered that game with 20 secs or so to go. At the end of the game, there were 37 ppl listed on the scoreboard. So you had 8 happys premade customers in that game and 29 unhappy. Swtor management needs to get on the ball counting the numbers before it's too late to save their game, if it isnt already.

pretty much this.... arsenal mercs do just fine dps wise, as long as they are left totally alone and allowed to freecast away from ranged. But if any melee (or ranged for that matter) decides to deign to notice you, you die and your dps goes to the crap. Yes I have had my 700k voidstar runs and 4/500k other wz runs (when the other team sucks and ignores me (ie queing solo and against nub teams)), but if anyone takes notice of me, Im dead (unless I have a healbot along for the ride) and doing 1/200k damage and getting skinnier as I run from spawn over and over and over.

after a few days of pvping..I can definitely say BH mercs are in a lot worse spot than before patch. The root is retarded...open invitation to a face plant from all melee and still no mobility.

definitely need cross realm queing for everything.... after the server merge, the population was ok for a bit, but further population has brought around he same probs as before. 1) ppl whining about long ques and ques not popping...especially during off peak 2) ranked ques dead 3) finally ppl complaining a lot more about premades in unranked wz ques since theyre making up a lot more of the que due to fewer queing (ie non ranked vs the same premade over and over and over) which leads to more ppl leaving game which makes bw pull an obama and promise new inc shinies that they have no idea how to implement which leads to future unhappiness which leads to more subs lost...... ad infinitum

instant cast tm 4 sec cd ...and applies 5 stack of debuff