Oh man, one of those pretentious threads... "I'm 1337, look at me. I will use this opportunity to stroke my e-peen, while ignoring significant issues." First of all... Listing some sentinel skills and writing some half-assed explanations for them does not prove ANYTHING. Being Captain Obvious is unnecessary. You sure wrote something, but was there anything of value? No. You did not provide any comparison whatsoever. And no, not everything is *********** OK. And this is not a L2P issue. As soon as I saw the mind-numbing, absolutely retarded title containing "L2P" I quickly realized what a pile of garbage this was going to be. Both in PvE and PvP we are quite a lot behind other classes in comparison. What you did was judge the class by ITSELF and then you put out the pretentious "L2P" statement? Well pardon me, but I am allergic to BS. Not only this, but you stated that the class is fine, while you only "covered" the PvE aspect (...the word "covered" in this case is STRONGLY exaggerated). I wanted to blow my brains out after reading such illogical crap. Not to mention that you speak from very limited experience. The hardest PvE fights are in the mid and upper forties. You reached lvl42 and felt like you could lecture people who roll Sentinels as their mains? I am sorry, but how can you expect me to take you seriously when you did not even do your homework? The utility may seem great in theory but you exaggerate the survivability to a degree, which is laughable. I can't even imagine how you decided to bring up the survivability of the Sentinel as a strong point when in reality this couldn't be any further from the truth. I have managed to go through the PvE content without many tough obstacles, but there are other classes, who just do not have ANY due to some of their superiority when it comes to utility, healing and EVEN DPS. The issues in PvE are not so alarming, but there are definitely some drawbacks when it comes to using the Sentinel class in comparison to other classes. I will say this again - I love how you skipped the whole PvP aspect and did some poor conclusion, declaring that the class is fine. The biggest problems of Sentinel shine the brightest in PvP and no, I will say it again since ignorant kids overuse this expression, this is not a "L2P" issue. Having obvious class disadvantages is not a matter of player's skill or abilities. Compared to the rest, we have really poor CC (nothing like the incredible force push, nice knockback, knockdown etc.). Also, I will repeat myself, you overglorify the survivability, which is short-lived and pales in comparison to that of most of the other classes. After our defensive CDs are down, we get shredded to pieces. Whatever we can do, other classes can do it better... And survive longer... And CC better... So what in the blue hell made you think Sentinel is "fine"? Judging the class by itself takes you nowhere and such method is beyond pointless. So before you try to lecture the community, I would suggest putting more effort into critical thinking rather than proving yourself as being "1337" and spewing out childish garbage such as "L2P".

Signed. Whoever designed the PvP gear is an idiot who has no sense of artistic appeal. Absolutely *********** dreadful.

Imps who say L2P when Repubs are considerably outnumbered and outgeared are nothing but a bunch of narrow-minded elitist kids, who can't think logically.

We are still a lot behind other classes and that is a fact. When there are classes who can dish out retarded amounts of damage just by spamming a few buttons, you know something is *********** wrong. Limited utility. Extremely fragile survivability. Semi-good DPS. That is it... You can get good results, sure. But there are some OBVIOUS drawbacks that need to be addressed. Compare it to the damn sorcerers... Compare it to the ****** Operatives/Scoundrels... Compare it to BH... Compare it to DPS specced juggernauts/guardians... Now tell me... What advantage does the Sentinel have? At least bring it up to par with other classes. An no, this is not a "L2P" issue. If you can not detect anything wrong with sentinel, you are ignorant.

And why bother making a thread about it? I NEVER understood the need of rage quitters to make such threads... Seriously, attention seekers these days.

And all of the sorcs seem to be capable of only 1 thing. Sit at one place and press the win lightning button.

2 button spamming faceroll class in a gankfest. Nothing to see here, move along...

There is a difference between saying that they suck and that they are not up to par with other classes, grandmasternub. @ Vibeth +1

"I don't have any problems with sentinel thus I'm 1337 and better then everybody else who objectively detect class problems that need to be adjusted. I shall post about it on the forums so everybody can witness my greatness even though I offer no constructive criticism of how sentinel is up to par with other classes. I shall stroke my e-peen and geek ego by jumping to conclusions from personal experience." Instead of putting so much effort in trying to bolster your ego, maybe you should try to look at the class objectively as there are OBVIOUS problems which need to be addressed. Instead you look at the class as an opportunity to categorize this as a "L2P" issue and give yourself as an example for superior playing style... Even though you don't give any detailed info... All you say is that Sentinel is defined by 2 factors - "killingz tha emper0r and being t0p dMg" which is not the case and if you observe a class through such narrow lens, then no wonder you can not detect anything else wrong with the class. I am tired of ignorant idiots coming here and saying "L2P" when in return they pull out some insignificant feats out of their arse as arguments. Such mind numbing threads are popping every now and then and they are all the same.

I watched something else. Inb4OperativeisnotOPbutfor1337plaerz

Operative/Scoundrel players trying to convince others that their precious 2-button mashing class is not OP. Get *********** real.

All I see is OP trying to convince people in something absurd for 8 pages. Stop denying the obvious. It is clear that the 2-button spam nooblord class needs to be adjusted. That or the other classes to be buffed up to par with it.

Trust me, I too have my moments with my Sentinel and I really like the dots with the Watchman build. But there are some times where I end up scratching my head. We are too much of a glass cannon class type. It is quite clear we need some tweaks and no I am not saying that Sentinels by the class itself is useless but when COMPARED to other classes the weaknesses become so evident and overwhelming.

Let's see here. Survivability of Jugg/Guardian > Survivability of Sentinel (nothing wrong here and expected) Utility of Jugg/Guardian > Utility of Sentinel (Force Push is one of the best PvP CCs and you know it) DPS of Jugg/Guardian ~ DPS of Sentinel (ridiculous considering the mentioned factors above) Now tell me. What the hell do we have compared to a Jugg/Guardian when our survivability is A LOT inferior, we have limited utility and our DPS advantage is laughable? I am not saying you are OP, I am saying that Sentinels need some serious tweaking in order to be as competitive as other classes.

Yes it is stupid for the survivability and CC they have to put out damage which is competitive to that of Sentinels. I am sorry, but how the hell can you consider this balanced?

Not going to happen. The majority of kids think joining the Dark Side automatically makes you cool and/or ******.

I agree about the Juggernaut issue. Having relatively the same DPS while having A LOT better survivability and CC is just plain retarded and this should be reconsidered. What do we Sentinels get? Some initial defensive CDs, limited utility and good damage? The only thing we can compete with is damage output. Now that is just wrong for a tankier class to be superior in most aspects and and come so close to the thing we are actually good at. This is just stupid. Why aren't more people playing attention to this?

This. There should be consequences for losers who quit immediately after their team starts losing... And I am talking about intentional leaving.

Shut the hell up. You are so full of **** your eyes are turning brown.

I hope such cheating, cowardly douchebags get what they deserve. I don't care what you have to say in your defense if you do this. Grow a spine. Keep up the good work OP.