Any spec can do awesome when you're popping your adrenal/relic to get over, im assuming, 1200 power. Just think if you were rage/vengeance you'd be adding 1500 to those higher end hits (fs, vicious throw, ravage etc). Good video though. My problem with the spec was the rest of the time I wasnt popping adrenals/relics I needed help killing people.

We cant go immortal and dps well, but we can go rage with soresu (def form) and still smash for 6k.

I dont understand the problem.... Wont this make it easier to take the sides? If they remove the bikes you wont need teamwork to chain stun side speeder reinforcements while your team caps.

It feels like they queue 8vs8 and theres multiple people that arnt paying attention or are doing something else and dont join. We have the same problem on the empire side, 2 or 3 people are off doing something and dont bother joining. Really kills ya on defense with voidstar. huttball and alderaan are not really a problem.

Sounds like a L2P issue. Really, what are we supposed to be looking at in those screenshots? The number of kill counts a healer gets? Are you serious? Do you even know how the game works? Why does it matter to you? Do you realize they get nothing out of it? Theres no bonuses after 4 medals, they arnt getting anything more than anyone else with 4 medals. Not all servers have crap republic players like the OP.

Whats the quickest way to kill a jug? Have them guard a fresh 50.

Save up for a better weapon first, that sounds like the bigger problem. Ignore the cent pvp weaps and immediately save for the champ. Also, experienced 50s will know when to be using relics/adrenals/def cds etc so you can expect a far larger number of players to mitigate your attacks. As far as them hitting you for so much, it wont change. You're an operative... that damage is going to stay pretty consistent. Work on your play style and controlling your opponents. Even if you were at 12% expertise (BMish), assuming all things are equal, thatd drop the 4500 hit to 3960... PVE gear (non raid) is still better than cent. If you're worried about it, save up and go that route... though I feel its a waste of time unless you're rich.

Easiest to level pve with immortal and quinn. Out of the sorc, jugg, merc and assassin that I have, the rage jug spec seems to be the most fluid. I dont really pay attention to what others think as it wont matter how well the spec does if I dont like it. When you get to the 40s start playing with the diff specs to find the right one and then do it again at 50. Sometimes things dont really line up till you get 50.

I leveled using arsenal merc, simply because it makes sense to if you're going solo. That AR increase with TM makes you nearly a tank. @50 pure pvp I'd go pyro, the dps seems to be too high to ignore. If you're grouping at 50.... I do think pyro will do more dmg but you bring less utility to your group.

I have the same setup as the OP and this immortal dps spec didnt work for me. Your dps is so low that you might as well go full immortal def and ball carry/node def instead of trying to dps. Yes I could control mid in hutball or a node very well, but if this is supposed to be a dps build then we should be expecting to kill people. It maybe be possible to control burn a non healer down in a 1vs1 but not in a group setting. Your best bet if you're using this build would to be focusing the healer and hope a real dps helps you kill him. If you really wanted the added survivability and still have dps, you might as well learn to manage your resources and go soresu rage. Just my thoughts after trying this.

I try to use it in combination with force crush, but most of the time I dont let it get to the third tick. Doesnt sound like much of a buff, but its better than nothing.

Do you have any idea how much easier itd be for a true pvper, who has just hit 50, to rip faces if he's instantly on the same playing field as everyone else? Wheres the challenge if everyone has the same gear as me? You guys sound like a bunch of pve casuals who are upset because they cant pvp.

I did check on this last night, but my new computer has been screenshotting everything with just a completely black image. Not sure whats up with that, but I found this on my old computer, so this was in cent/champ when I just turned 50. Looks like it was a stalemate and we lost the toss, http://imgur.com/AQLt8 If you check around, I think you'll see that 300k+ pugs with no heals and 400/100k with heals is quite common. I mean really, why would we be lying?

lol I will when I get off work. Seriously, 250k is the most you can do? Are you sure you're not afk for half the match?

Umm its common, why would people post vids of it?

95% of the time I can hold a node / door by myself as a rage jug in soresu. If theres more than one I lose LOS as long as I can and then use my roar to give me more time. If its a single target or two fresh/inexperienced players I'll just kill them. If its a healer of course it'll be a long fight unless they make a mistake, but the fights last so long in soresu+bm that its enough time for backup to arrive. Obviously if its two bm stealths, I'll most likely be screwed. But what class wouldnt be when solo? (other than a stealth popping def cds) Since imm is probably going to be using soresu when def nodes, I'd assume theyd have similar success. edit: I'm not saying this is the best use of a jugg, because I cry every time I have to do it, just giving an opinion on if they could guard doors/nodes solo

This is what you should be expecting without any heals. 400-500k w/100k+ prot with a healer.

lol this guy is clueless. Good read.

Well, this is unfortunate.

My mercs only 44 so you can disregard everything I'm saying, but in the sub50 bracket you cant really do that. Sub50 on my server... nobody knows how to carry the ball. All you see is me trying over and over again to carry the ball with my lame 30% AR and no mobility. Not to derail or anything, but my other chars a 50 jug and I like the people who think they are defending and sit on the ramps. I know you have two knock backs and a stun, but my resovles probably full anyways and yours most likely isnt. I can force push you back towards your goal even farther (or out of the way compltely) and leap to you/someone else again or use my aoe stun. Wouldnt suggest staying up there vs teams with warriors.

This is an issue for pvp. Simply because you dont stay alive long enough for it to affect you doesnt mean its not impacting others.

I'd respec as immortal and solo till mid 40s before switching to rage. Or respec to vengeance and pvp / pve till 40s before switching to rage. (also vengeance sucks)

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Why would we want to do that?

Theres never 300 people on the fleet (mine) at any point in time. If I'm in the middle of battle and 15+ people on the screen its in the 30-40s, but this is also max everything. As for my reasoning on the CPU being the problem: My other computer has an intel q6600 with 8gb ram and a 560ti as well. It gets around 10 fps with 15+ people on the screen in the in 20s on the fleet. My G13 shows on the q6600 computer that its using under 40% cpu usage at all times just about. And on that one I'm actually loading everything into memory with the ram drive setup thats posted in general. I dont know why the fps is so low on that computer other than memory or its cpu. (this is all at lowest possible settings) If the guys got an i7 then I have no idea.