And SWTOR isn't? Please McFly. This game is even easier then WoW....and I honestly didn't think that was at all possible. It is the pinnacle of casual, watered down, easy mindless MOOing.

Bingo! Why try and "force" yourself to like a certain MMO. Whether it be this or something else. I went into this game happy as a clam. I thought I was going to be here for the long haul. Then, as I played more and more, I came to see the serious shortfalls. No matter what I tried (re-rolling, playing the GTN, farming ect) I just was finding less and less reason to even bother logging in, and when I did login, it was out of a sense of guilt. Go play something else, it's what I did. I still log in once in a while to say hi but other then that, the game is dead to me. After the 20th, I won't even be able to do that. Great thing for me is, the people I've been gaming with for the last 8+ years still all stay in touch via our forums or FB. That in the end is what an MMO is all about. Playing with friends.

Next year? Maybe? They still have baby names to add in to the credits first.

And that is the crux of the matter right there. Hating your customers because you think they're stupid ignorant fools and you know best is not the way to go. Go Googlefu Derek Smart. People also need to stop saying "It's new, give it time" and "Game X launched with X amount of bugs and issues". That was then, this is now. If companies feel that they can release a game with major bugs, and with common features missing, then they, nor their fans have any right to complain when said game chokes. ANY NEW MMO NEEDS TO COMPETE WITH THE CURRENT CROP OF MMO'S ON THE MARKET TODAY. Not how they launched, but what they have today. That is who you are going to compete with. You may not like it, but that's how a free market works.

I keep wondering about this also. Why? Why in the name of budda do they do this?

I'm going with between 500K and 750K. It's Star Wars. No matter how bad the game may or may not, those fans will still be here. You just have to look at SWG.

So what about people like me? I had great FPS before the last mini-patch. Now, it's like watching a slideshow in a lot of places. Add in the fact that my load screens went from like 30-60 seconds to well over 5 minutes now? I'm really hoping this "patch" can fix that issue. As for the rest? Meh...Yeah, and big MEH.

Missing my point. It is: People will not be coming back until they offer a free week or 10 days. Personally, I think a lot of these threads are bogus. I think the majority of them wouldn't be staying regardless of what, or how many bugs they fixed. On the other hand, I find the true diehard Bioware/Star Wars fanbots (Not you, but I could name about 30 of them) make me want to quit just on principle. They game is not fine. unicorns aren't farting rainbows and jellybeans. There are some serious freaking issues with this game that Bioware needs to step up to the plate and deal with. And saying "we are looking into that" is not dealing with it.

I don't care one way or the other about the OP, but I did want to point out something with this post. No, people won't really be back. They may come back in 6-12 months when Bioware does what everyone else does and offers a free week or 10 days. What you fail to realize is that people really don't have anything invested in this game past the Star Wars factor. This isn't WoW where someone could have up to 7 years invested in their characters. I have a level 33ish Sage. I have no issue walking away from this game. I have no reason to come back to this game unless there are major changes (not the "we are looking into that: or "we think that's a great idea and will look into that"). I feel no attachment to my character at this point in the game. So by you telling people to "Dont let the door hit you on the way out." isn't really going to help the game in the long run. Not sure if you see that or not. /shrug

I'd agree, but a lot of publishers are going that route, even with single player games. You must have an active internet connection in order to play. Granted, there are a toon of work arounds, just like the weak "piracy" controls that they put on games (I'm looking at you EA with Spore). IIRC it started with Half-Life 2, I only say that game because I remember the amount of flack that Valve took over that.

Maybe it's because I'm republic, but having 36 people on Aldraan during prime time doesn't feel very "full" to me. And I do play on a Heavy/Full server.

Maybe they'll fix the colours?

And they like it rough. One thing any company should know about online gamers by now, is they will find a way to break or screw with your systems (games). So you had better make damn well sure that you are testing stuff like a gamer, not like a corporate drone. The amount of bugs like that just tells me that their internal testers were asleep at the switch, OR that they relied on closed/open beta testers to test the game.

Force Leap: This ability no longer functions on Portable Holo Dancers. You just have to wonder how crap like that makes it past Alpha, nevermind Beta...

Nope, not at all. But ole poppa here can't even admit there is issues, well, untill Bioware says there is and that they're going to fix them. A truer fanbot there hasn't been.

Ya know, I'm betting if someone from Bioware came to your house and took a giant steaming dump in your mouth. You'd think it was chocolate and ask for more.

I wouldn't put much credit into what good ole Stevey is saying. He's a messenger boy, nothing else. He says what he's told to say, nothing more, nothing less. If subs start dropping because there is no macroing in this game, the suits will tell him to say it's coming in the next patch (or whenever). I suspect that we'll start to see subs shedding once people get tired of waiting for Bioware to deliver on anything they say they are going to.

So, let me get this straight. If a site gives a bad review, then it's a trash site and they are hacks? If a site gives a good review, then they are great writers and really know about games? BTW, http://www.mmorpg.com? LOL.. This is the same site that gave: AoC a 7.8 Warrhammer 8.01 AION 7.66 RIFT 8.14 Yeah, their track record is stunning ain't it?

If this game is "killing" WoW. then why were there only 36 people on Alderaan last night during prime time on a heavy population server? /shrug

I won't go as far as saying all of the emails were fake. Also, SR was just talking about the OP, not about anyone else. With the fiasco about going to Ulium at low levels... Now, I will admit that they have now changed the RoC from what it was regarding Alt's, GTN playing, item loading and all that. Guess someone woke up and realized what a punch to the nuts that would have been. No, if SR want's me to take his statement seriously; Then they need to open up the GTN to be a lot more user friendly then it is, ie: 50 actions at a time. Also, please note that he said "No-one has been banned for their actions on the GTN". He says noting about warnings, which many people have claimed to received from the ToS team. As more time goes on in this game, it becomes more and more apparent that the departments within Bioware are not talking clearly to one another.

I'm just curious. what other games have licensed the Hero Engine?

Hello! I've hit gold cap in WoW during WoTLK and I'm very close to hitting the new cap in Cata. Did it very legitimately by playing the AH. OP. Sadly, from what I'm seeing from Bioware, playing the GTN here will be a suspension/ban-able offence as they really don't want people to "have an unfair advantage", whatever that means.

Damn strait! I want to log in a beat to death some hipster with a purple double headed *****. I want to **** and pillage villages. I want a pony. As a parent, I wouldn't let my child play a game like this to begin with, especially unsupervised.

The bolded part is what I've been saying since day one. The content isn't the problem in this game. There is content. Sadly we get drowned out by the "Go back to WoW you heathen bastards" by the fanbots. The simple problems (for me atleast, I won't pretend to speak for others) come down to. * Single player game with a tacked on co-op mode. Except when I play a single player game, my choices actually can and do change the world. SWTOR really does fail in this. My choices don't matter at all, well unless I try and stay neutral, then I get nothing. Dark and Light sdie both get the same gear stat wise, it just kinda looks different. * A GTN that is so bad, it's beyond belief. We all know it's bad. Then add in Bioware's stance on playing the AH or even having a bank alt and it makes the game even that much more bad. A MMO with a controlled (Communist) economy is not a game that I will find fun. I have fun playing the GTN. To hit credit cap would be my goal in this MMO, just as it has been in every MMO I've ever played. Here's the section from the Rules of Conduct that I have an issue with. http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/roc "You may not engage in any conduct or practice that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, i.e., "item loading,". Kind of vague don't you think? * A UI that was at least scalable and moveable. * Macros? Even EQ1 had these at launch. * A working LFG channel/tool. The one that was in WoW before the current tool would suffice. I can go on and on but I'll stop here. The bugs (Small ones, game breakers are unacceptable IMHO) can be expected. But as consumers, we really should expect more on this part. Funny little obscure bugs I can understand. Major bugs that stop the game for your customers and effect 1000's of them should never, every make it past beta.

I'm not even getting the thread that he linked, it goes right to the PTR forums. As for patching, it's not patched until it's on the live servers. So no, Bioware hasn't really "addressed" anything yet. They are working towards (maybe) fixes, but I'm really not sure what ones as there isn't a comprehensive list of what they are working on. I can say I'm working on the next, best car ever. It's going to have x y z features and cost x amount. That doesn't mean it's true. I can be sitting on the crapper "thinking" about it and that would constitute "working" on it in Bioware's eyes.