I think where you and I differ is that I expect EA to paint as rosy a picture as possible without outright lying. Your expectation seems to be that EA's quarterly report would have all the candor of their private board room discussions. EA is doing what they are supposed to do. Its called managing stakeholder expectations. From what I can tell, you have been managed quite well here. No offense. The data is far more important than EA's interpretation of it. If you think questioning a company's rosy interpretations of their own performance is being a "hater" I have to ask you where the heck have you been for the last decade?

I understand your point but you are still downplaying this in a major way. TOR's budget was far and away above the games you keep trying to compare it to. TOR is a 2012 MMO with a very powerful (and expensive) IP. Do you think they are going to be able expand the content of this game as planned with Rift-like sub numbers? At what point does this downward trend cause the project to de-scope? If you are not "white knighting" here what exactly are you trying to prove or convince us of? 25% loss of customers in one quarter BEFORE the major competition (GW2, Diablo 3, Tera, MoP) even launches? Just what do you think is going to happen when these games come out and the 6 month subs and 3 month subs +freebie month start dropping off the pay roll? I am reasonably confident that the folks at bioware and EA feel a little more urgency about these numbers than what you are portraying here good sir...

I wasnt just addressing you though i was responding to your post. I like bioware so i dont want to see them ruined. I hope these numbers are a wake up call that everything thats happened since 1.2 was announced has led to this moment...

Jeez man. What do you expect them to say? Just because they aren't waiving the white flag yet does not prove your point. The obvious truth here is that if these trends continue SWTOR will be in the tank. We also have solid reason to suspect that the subscriber numbers they provided include folks that have already unsubbed or have NEVER SUBBED in the first place. I am very likely included in that number since my faith in Bioware lead me to purchase a 6 month sub back in January. Add in the free month and I am still being reported to the stakeholders as a paying customer for 99 more days. 25% loss of subscribers is staggering. There is no need for people to hype these numbers or to defend them because they really speak for themselves. Right or wrong, patch 1.2 was looked at as an outright attack on what many of us enjoyed about the game. You can double that sentiment for those of us who happened to have chosen one of 1.2's gutted classes at launch (non-operative healers say hi)

I had my share of good times here too. Makes it all the sadder that they ruined it. 101 days left.

Meh. I never argued for nerfs. Still, they will come regardless. Where the developers are at fault is completely caving with massive changes to a game that was largely good. They could have implemented incremental changes to balance and showed they were moving in the right direction. Instead? They gutted the most popular classes in the game right before several strong online rpgs are on the way. Not a good plan no matter how you slice it. Without a rollback of 1.2's balance heart attack this game will continue to lose subs at a meteoric rate. P.S (to those downplaying the 400k) 24% is staggering for one quarter. I wonder if the fan boys would be as dismissive if it was a 24% increase. Don't answer that

LOL. Nice

Found ya! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carebears

Sorry man but you are way off base here. People quit over poorly thought out balance patches all the time in MMOs. A company can adjust classes while still retaining the faith of the nerfed by implementing incremental changes. Completely gutting classes and changing play style completely in one go while simultaneous buffing up everyone damage in pvp is probably the worst possible way they could have handled things.

24% was in one quarter WITH a free month added to keep subs "active". I for instance have cancelled but still have 101 days left. Hell, I might even give them a sub stat on their next quarterly report. Game is going down. Thank 1.2

Wow. Strap your kneepads on next time eh?

You and many others in this thread are dreaming. You best believe that losing almost 25% of their subscribers in one quarter is a terrible sign. This is what happens when you make sweeping and desperate changes to an already successful product. 1.7 Million happy subs and you change the way the game is played fundamentally. Not smart. Smells like justice tbh...

lol. prove it? You smell like a dps to me.

To make your example worth anything try to apply it as 2 marauders vs 1 healer + anything.

You are talkin about a 2v1 scenario. You dps are tricky LOL

If that "1 dps" is a marauder I beg to differ.

Its obvious you will never get it. If a healer cant out heal 1 dps character then they are pointless in pvp. You do realize that means they can't keep themselves alive when being attacked by a dps...meaning it takes no coordination to kill them...meaning...better to just queue as a dps and kill before you are killed... meh..i unsubbed cuz of people like you. This community has too many people with 0 mmo experience.

Right, so healers are the only class in the game completely dependent on another player to be effective. Ever heard of pick up groups? Selfish DPS have put this game in the toilet. Can't wait for gw2.

No other explanation? LOL

Yea because we deserved to be the only class that requires a pocket tank to be effective. You do realize that they made PUGing as a healer a gut wrenching experience right? Unsubbed the first time I spent an entire WZ in the respawn against a 5 marauder team.

Where were you when this forum was filled with the tears of those who were so bad they couldnt kill sorcs. Blame bioware for all the nerf threads. They are the ones who build patch 1.2 around them.

Bioware needs a communications manager. You people are VERY condescending.

Oh I will. Already pre-ordered bro http://www.arena.net/blog/the-beta-weekend-event-is-coming

Operative healers are the best in the game.

Here you go! http://guildwars2.com/en/the-game/pvp/