(I put this in the pvp forums but thought some people here might be interesting) So I wanted to actually use all the fraps I took and I didn't really see any videos showing what its actually like to play an Operative, just a bunch of silly highlight reels, so threw my fraps together for one. I wanted to do longer clips, and recorded full battlegrounds for this purpose, but my video converter ate half the files so did what I could with what it spit out. I don't have biochem or use PvP consumables, all clips should be post 1.1 so... this is what it was like for me to PvP; take from it what you will. p1 p2 If anyone has questions, fire away.

So I wanted to actually use all the fraps I took and I didn't really see any videos showing what its actually like to play an Operative, just a bunch of silly highlight reels, so threw my fraps together for one. I wanted to do longer clips, and recorded full battlegrounds for this purpose, but my video converter ate half the files so did what I could with what it spit out. I don't have biochem or use PvP consumables, all clips should be post 1.1 so... this is what it was like for me to PvP; take from it what you will. p1 p2 If anyone has questions, fire away.

Fixed that for you.

1) http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/staysa01/?action=view&current=Screenshot_2012-01-16_22_45_24_831234-1.jpg lvl20 mercenary the week before you stopped queueing against 50s. Most matches were like this. Player skill is far more important then anything else. 2) it doesn't take long at all to get gear & winning/losing has ****all to do with it. Do the 2 PvP dailies and buy bags when you can while doing nothing more & you'll get a full suit before you know it, surely you will get enough to compete with. I fought BMs as a fresh 50 so go stuff yourself. 1) people want what they earned to mean something 2) not all people with great gear like expertise. I sure don't and I have 443 (had, deleted my Operative last night), but then again I PvP'd in Vanilla WoW back before anyone had MC/BWL or PvP gear. Resilience coming in was silly, pre-BC PvP was much better. 3) The above 2 quotes from you show your ridiculous bias. The rest of your post doesn't help your case. 4) complex system to implement for no actual reason

Yeah!

But if there are no fresh 50s then who would whine about BM biochem Ops if there are no horrible geared players to 2GCD?

They even made instructional videos back in the day

Bad and/or undergeared players die pitifully to Operatives. They also die to everyone else who has gear but its not so sudden, so less frightening. I've had people say the Op nerf is going to ruin us, then kill them when my opener was accidentally hitting my interrupt.

With 440 expertise (your level of gear) I can do roughly 17k dmg opener to a 0 expertise light armor target if I have the expertise buff and burn vanish for a second ambush. This is assuming everything crits, including dot tics. I'm going to assume you met a fully geared (600expertise stim/adrenal abusing whore) operative and that you deer-in-headlights like most people when attacked by such. The amount of people who just stand there after hidden strike knockdown is off is amazing. Also, would you prefer a ranged class were doing this to you?

Every kid currently getting roflstomped by Operatives will still get roflstomper by Operatives. All the currently planned nerf is doing is: 1) making your already hard/impossible fights worse 2) pve nerf for no reason That is why the nerf is stupid. I've made people cry and cry in general chat but you know what? I still killed them fatfingering my interrupt to break stealth while trying to hit acid blade > hidden strike

Honestly, as much as it pains me to say it, WoW got it right with DR. Full duration > half duration > quarter duration > immune for 20 seconds just plain worked. Any CC over 8 seconds is completely ridiculous though.

If you're suggesting I'm lying, you don't make any sense. If you're not being sarcastic, you still don't make any sense. Carry on, sir.

Somehow I don't think the map is the problem

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/staysa01/Screenshot_2012-01-16_22_45_24_831234-1.jpg This game is really hard

Somewhat ironic that you'd come into a thread with a moronic post.

Due to how quickly you can get back to the sides, if you lose the outside nodes after capping you're in a terrible team.

A fitting reply.

It's kind of short but figured it communicated well enough. All gear/class no skill. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/staysa01/Screenshot_2012-01-21_06_14_35_453795.jpg Pretty sure the only thing holding these guys back was how strong my opener was, 20% dmg reduction on it will solve everything, 100% certain of that! I've never felt so unattached to a game lol, enjoy spamming huttball all day for your RNG PvP loot so you can spam more huttball. Force leap > lifegrip > lifegrip 10 second SCOOOREEE!! PS, here's my 20 mercenary back when you queued against 50s http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f120/staysa01/Screenshot_2012-01-16_22_45_24_8312342222222222-1.jpg all gear/class no skill TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE whys it grey? w/e wait 4 seconds like a boss TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILETRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE TRACER MISSILE oops game ended, lets q again

What exploiting was done? Killing the enemy in a PvP specific area?

Have you heard the scoundrel's combat sounds compared to operative? seen that ****** hat, that ****** cape? They even nut kick you, jesus christ on a cracker! Yeah, that's what I thought.

This is different with other classes how?

The assassin still has a gap closer over the operative :/ and the AE knockdown > flashbang in almost every circumstance And aren't assassin buffs on PTR?

This is the problem. No, it will not. The same people that got rolled will still get rolled. It just made our hard/impossible fights that much worse.

not sure if serious?

You, sir, need to play a concealment op in group pvp.