Greed. Greed and good developers going along with the destruction of a formerly wonderful RPG series.

I'm curious, forum dwellers, what possible point is there to posting tl;dr followed by your 'opinion'? if you don't want to read the post, move on to one that can fit your attention span. what's the point of tl;dr? I don't get it.

I understand how you feel. I feel the same way.

well..yeaaah. MMO players complaining..you think? I don't know for sure, but MMOs like SWTOR and FFXI usually have a pretty big player base.. usually in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions (probably millions). so then...have you ever know four human beings in your life who could agree 100% of the time on what's fun? if so, that's awesome, if not, that's normal. then say...some of this HUGE *** player base absolutely HATES something that another portion LOVES. How shocking. never saw that coming. EDIT and 'forces you into group content' is putting it strongly. I personally was unable to do much of the flashpoint and heroic 4 quests because I don't like spending 30-40m getting a group together and had no problems leveling. was sad because I wanted to see the flashpoint stories, but what can you do? sitting around and spamming /general is boring.

I'm sure it will. in a year or three this game may very well be among the biggest MMO out there. It certainly has the potential to be, anyway. If a few things like ghost cities and worlds, Input lag, unchallenging end game content, and a few other issues are addressed.

well..you're assuming I care what others think of my opinion. only an idiot would actually CARE about defending an opinion of Forums, lol. I'm just bored, and willing to take pretty much any escape from boredom. if that means ranting about the original KOTOR games, or talking about what I didn't like about this game, that's fine. It's better than sitting here and doing nothing (or doing what I'm paying the college to be here doing.)

no. it's called having no life and drinking coffee instead of sleeping.

didn't say that this wasn't an MMO. It is an MMO and I think that it will do well as one. however, what truly makes me sad about it is..well..I don't 'feel' the world like I did in the KOTOR games. anyone remember kreia? Handmaiden? Bastila? remember how involved in the story they were? how profound many of the conversations you had with them were? there is nothing like that in the class quests here. don't get me wrong. They're fun. All the class quests I've played are fun, but they're too riddled with MMO elements that make no sense to be truly enthralling. try reading the post next time Makade. I never said that.

did not grind. Was in on early game access. took me three times as long as the GM of the guild I joined. tried ot operations, eternity vault. wasn't thrilled. so I rolled another character and tried to enjoy the class quest again.

no. I don't think so. I'll stay here and talk about KOTOR until the next content patch with class quests comes out. (or until a week goes by and I get bored.) This game shouldn't have been an MMO. seriously, and I think most old fans of KOTOR I and II will agree with me.

well..I looked forward to SWTOR since it was announced, and it is rather fun. but...after two characters to 50 I got very sad that this was all there was in the new 'KOTOR III' also, I'm at school trying not to think about my next programming assignment. so I'm stalking the forums being all whiny.

This SHOULD have been a single player game. EA and BIOWARE have killed what was once a extraordinary RPG series with this atrocity. EDIT: and I feel your pain OP. It's like the forums move a page every five minutes. I've lost many posts in the forgotten pages of this place, but most of them were rants about how this should have been a single player game and what the Devs did wrong, so they're not a real loss. just me ranting about being sad.

imo no. I'd have preferred that they spend the resources on the story rather than the medium through which the story is told.

IMO MMOs are not, and never, were "challenging". They are the epitome of "you get out what you put in" sort of deal. guess what OP: Spending a month, or months in some cases, grinding out levels then doing more weeks of grinding for gear in order to to do raid bosses isn't difficulty. Just a measure of how much time you're willing to sink into the game while you max out every idiotic skill rotation and use google to find people who've eliminated variety in the game by finding each and every classes optimal build through mathematics. There is nothing 'fun' about MMOs. they just take up vast amounts of time and let you socialize a bit. fantastic for people who want to block out reality, but as actual games they fall short of mediocrity. guess it's purely subjective, but while I've poured hundreds of hours into WoW and EQ I never got an ounce of joy out those games like I did with Dragon Age or Morrowind. I was just terribly terribly bored. Just wanted something to do that required very little thought and all of my time (which is why I hang around forums in school when I should be finishing up my programming class. my god I'm productive).

because we can. you should have killed them faster or evaded my attempts to stalk you for just that purpose. Why should I care about you? I'm trying to level up so I can do my class quest here. You're just some random <insert class here>. I'm the hope of <insert faction here>.

no. not what MMO players want, but it is what fans of the KOTOR games wanted. only problem is...MMO elements ruin the story for us (well, for me anyway. I shouldn't speak for others.)

yeah well. nothing to be done about it. I'm going to go find a nice indie RPG somewhere and play that. SWTOR is an abomination of the KOTOR series. sorry if I sound bitter. I am.

I agree OP. this game broke my heart. I truly expected something more from bioware. It's sad. I was hoping to play this game for two or three months. more, if they kept up with updates to the class quest. now I'm not even done with my free time, and I don't want to play it anymore. I just get this...sick feeling when I'm trying to play this so-called KOTOR III, and the MMOness pervades everything. I can't believe the KOTOR series is going to end like this. god I hope some studio saves it from the new EA bioware and makes a real KOTOR III. at least I managed to finish my class quest...though I stopped enjoying it around level 30.

No. I enjoyed the game for a while, but ultimately the depressing nature of the KOTOR being tortured into an MMO is too much for me. The Devs at Bioware promised KOTOR III with this game, and in my personal opinion, they lied through their teeth. This is not KOTOR III. it could have been, but the story is as superficial as it is repetitive. every boss is the same. there is no personal connection to the story because there is nothing that creates an emotional bond. The layout of areas, formation of enemies, and ultimately the bosses MAKE NO SENSE and get...tediously repetitive. There are no interesting mechanics past basic combat, which is simply MMO style rotations. boring and shameful for a game that claimed to be the sequal to KOTOR II. It's well written, well... actually the dialogue and plot is mediocre at best because it's not fully realized. how could it be with the sheer amount of content they've put into this game? it's without depth of any kind and extremely repetitive: i.e Your character will say the SAME MINDLESS ONE-LINERS that he/she's been spouting since you were level one over and over again. Forever. your companions may as well be nameless vanity pets for all they contribute to the story past combat, and after 30 levels or so keeping leveled enough to do your class quest becomes incredibly irritating: you HAVE to do practically every single side quest, bonus series, and +2 heroic to keep up. and quite frankly: they're boring. At first they're fun, but after you realize that this is an MMO and your actions have no effect whatsoever, they get boring. I finished my class story at 48 and I was sick of the way the plot kept reminding me what it could have been, while all the time flaunting it's MMOness in my face. I found myself unable to do the flashpoints because it takes 30+ minutes to get a group together for the higher level ones. and quite frankly: I couldn't care less about operations(raids). I've put countless hundreds of hours of my life into WoW. I've had my fill of MMOs "End-Level-Content". I'm never doing raids again unless I manage to go completely insane. I've had enough. I'll probably come back if they ever introduce more solo content, but bioware has broken my heart with the way they handled their so-called 'KOTOR III'

yeaah...it's pretty ugly all right. BW could have done much better.

nope. We don't need SWTOR turning into a purebred MMO. It's got the MMO elements bad enough as it is. we don't need no stinking gearscore, third party modding, or damage meter. the world doesn't need another soulless MMO. there are plenty enough of them around as it is.

lol. You're wrong OP. WoW is nothing but an outlet for people who like to play with their friends or suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and can apply it to video games. Its RPG elements = crap. Its story = crap once you start to get disillusioned. its solo content = crap. its ability to get you to do the same thing day after day after day = very good.

I agree. Agree sadly, but I do agree,

such intelligent arguments OP. Obviously you're a paragon of MMOs. I don't like you.

as fun as the class stories for inquisitors, agents, and troopers are, I'd say 6/10 for all of them. simply because the MMO elements in the game interfere too much for immersion to take hold of you. at levels 24-50 is when the MMOniss actually started to bother me.