Assuming your server even has enough people on the opposite faction to even engage in kill trading... But thats another topic.

15% vs 0% both do 1000 damage to each other. 1000dmg = +150 damage delt and -150 damage taken for the guy with 15% exp. So a 300 point swing, or a 30% difference. If both players can heal, then yeah its a 45% difference in total effectiveness. Don't know what people are grinning about on the first page.

Ilum is the reason WoW didn't launch with battle grounds. Its not something you can just tac on to your game. And its obvious this turd was slapped on right at the very end. Ilum is not even 1/10th as good as Alterac Valley. Ilum is some of the worst "PvP" i've ever seen in an MMO.

Dude, they didn't even have the foresight to limit players to 1 faction on a server...

If its so easy what are you actually complaining about? What does it matter if its "pointless" if its so easily taken care of? MMOs make you do lots of stuff you could consider "pointless" all the time. Why do I have to level to 50 to get all my skills??? It only takes a week... Hence, this is a troll post.

I have more than a few gripes with the game, but I guarantee this is not a reason for a single person canceling. And every game loses subs after the free 30 days are up, even WoW did.

LOL in an hour? Obvious troll.

You're missing the point. Most of Vanilla WoW's problems were hardware related... too many players wanting in at the same time. TOR? Already has more than a couple threads complaining about Dead Servers. Nobody complained about no rewards for PvP or a ranking system because they were having too much fun raiding towns/cities and fighting across the entire expanse of STV and Booty Bay. The first 1.5yrs of WoW were bloody fantastic and its why people stayed despite 30+ min queues, despite the fact 10-15 people from your 40 man raid could get randomly d/c'ed and put an end to your night. People who act like WoW had no competition at the time either have no clue. It went head to head against a firmly entrenched powerhouse in Everquest (they're still putting out expansions for EQ1) DAOC, and had EQ2 on the horizon. But WoW was simply a better game.

They didn't add anything. Launch day is launch day and early access was early access.

Because seeing 38 LOW POP servers (currently 4:30pm/Fri/EST) and 0 HIGH POP servers looks good? Its a now, classic MMO blunder. BW puts in too many day 1 servers to avoid que times and possible lag, but now has to deal with dying servers 30 days out because the initial population was spread too thin. You always lose a chunk of people after the free 30 days, seems they've lost 300,000+. (2mil+ sold, 1.7mil active subscriptions) Fact of the matter is, if the game is/was good people WILL put up with lag and ques because THEY HAVE TO PLAY (Evercrack)... but dead servers are another story.

You do realize that this happened because despite the lag, despite being stuck in loot animations, despite knowing you may get kicked or the world itself my explode... people still kept trying to get in because the game had that kind of hold on people right from the start. Its why despite the hardware failures in the beginning it went on to become the most popular MMO ever made by far, it is still in a league of its own. And don't give me this crap about "no raids" Molten Core was there day 1, 40 people just didn't have the gear to get past the first 2 giants for a long time. Ony was there too, but she was key locked so it was hard to find people who had the key and the gear to even get past the guards. A lot of you people sound like people who weren't there at launch but have only heard about it.

I like how its the same 2-3 people always showing up in these threads saying Marauder is amazing L2P... but nobody else. The class needs too much gear/gear advantage and too much support (pocket healers/cc) to be effective. And even when that does happen, whats the pay off? You might do just as well as someone else who doesn't need to be carried and I guarantee only experiences, at most, half the grief you do on a daily basis. P.S. Never listen to people on MMO forums who say "I 0wn ppls 1v1 all day" Sure sign of someone whose: A) bad B) full of it.

Power Tech, No Knockback Operative, No Knockback Add in Mara and, how about that, almost half the classes don't have a knockback.

This, sorta. I'm not over MMOs, I've just been playing them long enough to have higher standards. I started with EQ back in 2000, I've done it all from hardcore server firsts to just messing around in a family guild. Nothing new here except the solo story, which btw BH was great. But its done, and the awfulness of Ilum, total lack of Open World, bugs and bugs, and other stuff is making harder to hold my interest. I can only play so much Huttball and the PvE encounters aren't anything new or exciting. I have yet to come across anything in PvE thats felt epic, despite or perhaps because the game was set up from the start to be "epic" always fighting 3-5 guys at a time, killing Iconic characters before 50, etc. Oh well, the game will get more time to improve itself for me simply because there is nothing else new on the market.

The only thing its better at is running away with the 15% MS and 8sec of Hydraulic Override. Now you may say "but those let you stay on people or chase them down better too!" Yeah, except nobody cares because your low damage is countered by HoTs. Besides Pyro+Shield Tech both have great spammable snares that easily outshine the 15% move speed. "But I have 6sec CD Quell!" Yeah, you and any other spec that spends 7pts in AP.

Eh, you saying the 2 set bonus makes carbonize not work or what? But I agree PT armor looks horrid... whats worse is Merc get a new look for BM armor but PT its the same ugly slug hat.

Meh.... over geared + healers farming damage. Oh and OPchem... i'm just saying, 400k+ is nothing to get excited over. Its all about the gear... which by the way, is sad that Merc gear is better for Pyro PT.... but at least it looks better! *********** crab hats...

Successful Troll? Because honestly, AP is garbage for PvP. I could see it milking the +50% flame thrower damage in PvE, but good luck getting that often enough in PvP to be worth it. Honestly Shield Tech does more damage than AP.

This post is full of LULZ. Yeah "Total Damage" might be higher at the end of the round as a PT Pyro (because dots tic after you die), but a GOOD Merc will always have more kills and more medals thanks to their heals. And part of that is because when they focus people, they die. PT Pyro has to hope for good crits and chaining refresh procs for railshot. And LOL @ Grapple being better than Jet Boost. After they made the 50s bracket you just run into more and more geared people who don't care about being pulled into the fire. But knocking people off ramps or into the pit is usually pretty clutch since even with Jumpers you can just break LOS or get more range. I'm not saying PT Pyro is BAD... I wouldn't be maining it if it were, but you are full of it trying to say its HANDS DOWN better than DPS Merc.

You responded to that...

People that spam noting but Tracer Missile = free kill. I don't know why people ever started complaining about this other than they hate seeing the animations all the time or something.

Actually thats not true. Like if McDonalds started refusing to serve people who talked about politics. They would get sued. Because theres this other thing, called discrimination. Gamers just put up with it because they've been trained since childhood by the industry to accept it. EULA means very little since you can't legally sign something thats in violation of the law. IE I can't sign a EULA that says EA is allowed to kill me if I post something they don't like.

Games been out a month and I don't have Best In Slot everything yet... *** BIOFAIL GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!!!11!1! Kids today... don't know what real grinding is. Go fight over the drop off a raid mob thats on a 6-7 day respawn. BTW its open world, and theres only 1 or 2 of these mobs for the entire server.

Whining in every thread on the PvP forum and saying everything is OK isn't going to keep your broken spec from getting nerfed. Just sayin'.

This x1000. PS. Origin sucks, stop trying to force it on people.