You really need to work on how you reply to posts... that was annoying to read. Listen its clear you were sold on the idea that everyone is rolling on a PvE server for the hardcore PvP from the beginning. So theres not much I can do here other than poke more holes in your logical fallacies for anyone else coming by. Your main complaint is being able to find people to fight in PvP... you said 85% of a PvP server is ganking lowbies... but nobody forces you to do that, and if 85% of the player base is out ganking lowbies (impossible ratio btw) then you know exactly where to find lots of people to Open World PvP with! Which makes a PvP server the clear choice! This game is nothing like DAOC. Where is my keep? Where are my relics to defend? Where is my realm renown? Where are my 3 factions and shifting alliances? Oh its over there on the repetitive instanced planet, Alterac Valley In Space, which has none of those. No, i'm explaining the differences between PvE and PvP since thats the topic we're discussing. DO U THINK U CAN'T QUE 4 WARZONE ON A PVP SERVER??? HUEHUEHUE010101! And again you're making this shot in the dark assumption that everyone rolling on a PvE server is doing it for....... PVP! I don't get it... TOR isn't even being marketed as a real PvP game. Again I think you're in for a rude awakening... because there is 0 doubt about anyone rolling on a PvP server being there for any reason other than.... PVP! So when I log on to my FULL pop PvP sever I KNOW i'm in for tons of PvP and I get to do it wherever I want. People roll on PvE for a whole host of reasons. And here you made my point perfectly. This is what PvP on a PvE server will look like 2-3 months from now. Or do you not know about Wintergrasp and Tol Barad? And I wont even get into the 100% fail, mini PvP zones they tacked on during Vanilla (Plagueland towers) and BC (a few football field sized plots of land that had PvP objectives).

What is wrong with you? I doubt even 2% of the people who will be playing this game 2 weeks from now are even in the game yet. Is this your first launch MMO? (which hasn't even launched yet) Seriously nobody is going to have any idea what possible imbalances there will be until after the first 30-40 days when people start being forced to decide if they'll sub for the game.

You mean like all the "Concentrated RvR" that goes on in WoW's RvR (ghost town) zones? Again, it'll be there at the start, because its new, and PvE players like grinding faction, but it wont last.

A. But you can't attack other people... and most people will just ignore you and/or carebear dance with you... unless they gang up to super zerg you for being a *******. B. Way to confuse one of the godfathers of RvR with anything out today, especially TOR... C. Then I guess you know where to find people eh? Plus its mostly only during the first 30-60 days when fresh 50's come back to flex their nuts. And even on PvP servers TOR has a pretty generous safe launch pad. You'll be in your 20s before you ever have the chance to see someone outside a warzone... and if you just can't take it, swap instances. D. Nice number you came up with there.... but whats your alternative? Flag yourself and spend 99.999% of your time running around Emote begging people to attack you? If you think its going to be that hard to find people on a PvP server what in god's name makes you think it'll be any easier on a PvE server? ITS NOT LIKE PEOPLE ON A PVP SEVER ARE COCKBLOCKED FROM ENTERING ILLUM! Seriously, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you really want a shred of real PvP past launch.

Have you ever been to Disney during the Star Wars events? Though I agree about not giving a toss about Luke (Yoda and R2-D2 are still cool though), which is why I put Clone Troopers into the mix. And Darth Maul got chopped in half, he sux0rz.

No 2:1 isn't bad, until like that guy said, you start getting into 20v10 or greater in this game. And obviously you aren't changing my mind about how WAR turned out.... because it doesn't take skill to role the faction with one of the the most broken classes ever created in an MMO when there aren't true mirrors in place. Something i'm thankful for in TOR.

Maybe before WOW took off that was true... not these days though.

Oh god... is there a list for those already?

Or Master Chief Clone Troopers.... gonna be a ton of them running around i'm sure. And I believe the correct terminology is "Bring balance to the force"

Don't worry, once all the 14yr olds get their copies of the game for Christmas they'll all role lightsabre Pallys and things will quickly even out.

PvP server, always. If anyone bothers to show at RvR areas on a PvE server it will only be during the first 30-60 days after launch. After that it will only high end PvE raiding guilds that get bored and random puggers/newbies and the fights wont last long. Why because you are dealing with people who care more about PvE and loot than PvP... its why they didn't roll on a PvP server... anyone who says otherwise is full of crap and has never done real PvP. And since the RvR loot will likely be PvP flavored loot its just one more reason for those people to not care about, or get tired of the RvR areas sooner. People being spread out wont be an issue on a PvP server either, its not as if PvP servers are going to have invisable walls all over the place to hinder you anymore than someone on a PvE server from getting to an RvR area if thats where all the action is. PvP servers allow for the possibility of spontaneous PvP action, something you'll have no chance of encountering on a PvE server.

No, he's basically correct unless the game has horrible PvP balance where a single class can do insane AoE damage *cough BW* and theres another class with some completely broken blackhole AoE CC *cough Engi*. Then sure, 2-3 broken BWs with some Engi support can take out a group of idiots 10x their size and bunched up together... which is unavoidable in Keep warfare... Or you can take a less broken AoE class, combine it with ****** rendering/visuals/clipping and drop stacks of basically invisible black pits of doom on some stairs and take out waves of people that way. But you'd be a fool to try to pass any of that off as real skill and not the exploration of ****** game mechanics implemented by pigheaded, moronic developers. This game doesn't have Keeps, it doesn't have a broken godlike AoE class... and while the CC is a bit ridiculous, its pretty much all single target. Its "open world" is all instanced too... which makes all of this a moot point because there will never be an epic 100v200 battle in TOR unless the devs change something in the future.