First of, if you suck, then it doesnt matter what toon you choose, the fact that you have no clue what your doing, and got **** gear from the start will make every class feel meh. Secondly, since you need to go through the whole treadmill of learning the basics of pvp (and this apply's to all mmo's your going to play) You might aswell pick the class you find most interesting, if your good then your class wont matter much, if you suck, then you will suck no matter what you choose. edit Oh yea 10-49 will suck more than fresh 50, since you'll be missing all your key talents for the majority for the time :<

I <3 how ppl went into a discussion about openers, for Deception - It doesnt matter what you open with, Deception is still only good for one thing, and thats having fun in normal wz's watching 6k+ crits. In rwz 31/x/x and 23/1/17 are still 10x better than deception as things stands now. Your whole discusion about maul vs VS/trash as an opener is atm pointless untill they make some major changes

For me beeing able to face other good premades are enough, much rather do that, than rofl stomp bad pugs 24/7 But then again, that might just be me :< - as for op, on primetime on tofn the queues are usually a instant to a few mins, and as the night progress it goes up to around 10-15 mins.

No thats a misconception, the break down is basicly. Defense, Shield etc. works perfectly vs White dmg, snipers for instance if they run their MM (If I recall correctly) are based mainly on white hits, same with jug/mar ravage, Pyro Railshots and all that ****. For that defense and shields are perfect. Ppls issue is that alot of the dmg getting thrown around by alot of other class's are Energy/Kinetic wich are only migitated by armor, or its Internal/Elemental wich are only migititade by Resistence. So no, defense/shield etc. works as its supposed to, and can be helpful depending on what kind of style/role you play, but alot of ppl just dont find it worth it for them. Hope that threw abit of light on it.

Hillarious that ppl havent figured out how resolve works yet.

I can honestly say I never lost the door I guarded in ratede warzones, why that map is still in the map pool for rwz, Is a puzzle. The map is trash for what little competive play there is left. The only reason we cap doors are because ppl for some strange reason seem to not understand the very simple mechanic of prober guarding.

lmao

Dno if this is our dream team or not, but this is our main team. Our highst rated player are 2.9k and most ppl are floating between 2.4-2.9k in our team. As much as possible we try to bring the player and not the class, but to some extend it cant be avoid that we have to bring certian class's Jugg Tank Darkness sin Concealment Ops Carn Marauder Ops healer Merc Healer Pyro PT Sniper/rage Jugg This varies from time to time, but this is 9/10 our main grp. And I think we all feel pretty comfortable with it, our dmg is not as amazing as other grps, but we're able to focus down the ppl we need, and we got good control with it, along with survivability + CC.

Zéd worst healer EU - Just putting it out there

Actually after having sleept and had abit time to give it some thought I believe that if swtor would fix their incombat system, so it was not broken as ****, then deception assassins would proberly be pretty solid, but beeing forced to stay in combat for 30+ secs after you break stealth is broken as ****. If they fixed like wow, lets say 5 sec w/o player interaction would take you out of combat, then I could see deception beeing alot more viable from that alone, since you would be able to utilize Dark Embrace on a regulaer basis, wich would give you the dmg your looking for, and be able to setup burst on a competetive basis.

Doesnt matter if you stack crit or power, Deception sins are bad in rwz. And yes power > crit for Deception, but look above, it doesnt matter for rwz, because your still not as valuable as another class/specc. As I mentioned in my first post, the only reason to bring a deception sin is if you have specificly tailored tacs for the specc, or if you pref the player over the class/specc. So in general his post is pretty spot on.

He's right though

Fact is Deception is trash comparede to Darkness, its below madness aswell when we're talking rwz. That said ofc. if you got a team, wich focus their tactics around a Deception Assasisns strength ofc you can make it work, but its really because you want to bring the player then, and not the class. Because every class/specc can do the job of a deception sin, just better, if you want pure dmg you bring a PT, Marauder og Rage Jugg, if you want Harass then you bring an Conc ops, he will do that job better aswell - on top of that they also bring more utility to the team than you do as Deception. and for the ppl "omg omg omg its fun to play Deception", ye it is, and I enjoy it tons in normal wz's but in rwz it has no place unless you want to gimp your team. And ye LOL and LOL (ss taken last night) dmg is possible in normal wz's, and it looks cool. But the utility is ****, and the dmg is mediocre vs good teams.

I'm not elite WL :<<< what to do what to do !!

I'm on a boat.

its not that its "broken" it was an old talent in the darkness tree that is still there, wich basicly makes your ww target take 75% dmg, but then it doesnt break. They changede the tooltip, but not the talent, I dont remember wich talent it was though :S

theres a good chance that it makes him the better/more expirienced player though Any way I'm out of this thread, I have enough fun reading, no need for me to add fuel to the fire, you guys are doing a fine job w/o me

Your a bit cocky today, now aren't you

The math dont add up for me, I'm running with 1.2k power and 1750 wp 1290 exp, and I rarely see 6k crits on bis geared ppl, not to even mention 6.7k crits.

As allways nice One thing though mentioning a number such as 6700 seems silly, as you only, and I mean only would be able to get them with marauder buff + exp buff on a 0 exp person more or less. So its basicly irrelevant. 5kish crist in bis vs bis is doable though and alot more relevant, but thats just my oppinion ofc.

Hillarious what effect Dmasterr's words got on you guys, a good guess is that there are some truth to them, and you dont like hearing it

Why would you even post that picture, its so pointless its not even funny. Specialy as allready meantioned, this is a 3 month old thread who got necro'ed.

http://www.twitch.tv/arcangg/videos This is not from our Juggs pov but our snipers, but our team is currently ~2.4-2.5k with ~97% winrate. we've had our jugg in all games - Server TOFN. Complete setup Imm/Veng Jugg Darkness Sin Concealment ops Sniper/Rage Jugg Carn Marauder Ops Healer Merc/Ops healer Pyro PT

I must be the luckiest guy alive, I see thread after thread about ppl beeing victim of cheats day in and day out. Yet I play on one of the most, if no the most populated server in the EU TOFN, rank 95, with thousands of games behind me, and I have yet to expirience a single case of any one cheating. One could almost think that some ppl are not aware of how certian game mechanics work.

For us Sin tank/dps Jugg Tank Carnage Marauder Concealment ops Ops Healer Merc/Ops Healer PT pyro Sniper/Rage Jugg And we do fairly well.