I dont want to be the sourpuss here, but 9 secs is not burst. Burst is when you can do it unexpected and go "BAM". At best I would agree to discharge -> maul procc combo beeing cosindered burst, otherwise ppl can actually react and counter it. That goes for everyone in this thread, the "LOLOLOL 90k burst in 2 mins" no one cares because its not burst, outside 2 gcd's its irrelevant because your giving ppl time to react to it, and possible prevent it/heal through it.

Why are ppl posting after page 2 ? /Thread.

Rofl stop it, this game is easy.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, I'll give you one example though, how much dmg do you do when you get knocked back and are rooted for 5 secs while getting ***** by a rangede dps because you do not have disjunction, or how do you run a goal in hutball when you got rooted right infront or on top of the fire again because you didnt have disjunction with 5/13/23? Frankly I dont have the time, or the energy to point out the what to me seems to be obvious. Your happy with your choice's and in the end whatever ppl choose as long as they themself are happy, thats fine. It really does not affect me in any way or shape. And frankly I dno why I even bother, I am getting a bit tired of holding ppls hand, if they choose to play something subpar, then why should I really care - Best of luck.

your mixing up what I said about the different speccs, the key talents I talk about was for mad maul, I do idd think that forcepull are one of the best moves we got, along with WW. Spike is okay, not amazing, and not bad. I still think your spending to much pts on unduction, seeing as you only use half the talent, and surging charge is 1 completely wastede talen. And electric execution with DC is at best subpar.

A very short answer would be "its a l2p issue" and proberly also a gear issue, and the way you talk about stuns, make it sound like you have not quit figured out how resolve works yet. And yes if you run anything but a Darkness Build then you will be squishy, and you do have to rely on you own abilities/position and gamestyle to avoid dying. This is pretty much how it turns out when your in full WH gear and playing deception in normal wz's VoD

I dont even know where to start, I am sorry you feel offended that I did not "like" your specc. But your mistaken here, if you bothered to read through the whole post, instead of getting mad when I uttered my oppinion on the 3 speccs. First off Blood of the sith is not needed for this specc, yes the energy regen is fine, but seeing as all your attacks are dirty cheap, you never really get forceStarved, it would be nice to have, but not really that important. As for Energize, I think your putting way to much emphize on that talent, its good but I am sorry to say its not the end all be all. Now you start talking about endtier Talents, again, this is not a darkness Build, but an alternativ to the different dps speccs floating around out there, so ye in that sense I'll miss some keytalents, I also miss wither for that part, but its hardly relevant for this topic. And what you apperently do not understand when I critiqued your build, it was that there are to many "waste" talents, in the sense that they do not synergize with your other talents, just take "Surging Charge" you spend 8 talents pts to basicly get "30% crit dmg on Maul/assassinate", to me thats alot of "wastede" talent pts, I dont think any one ever used that many talent pts to get such a s mall buff. Long story short, you pay alot comparede to what you get. Where as all of the talents I lineup, have perfect synergi, and they all benefit from each other. And thats bascily the same issue I got with your friends "5/13/23" 8 pts spent to get 30% crit dmg on Maul/assassinate, and not benefit from surging charge's extreme cheap shocks, and I am sorry to break it to you but UEK is a overall really weak talent, why do you think most ppl leave it out of their pve rotation when they are dps'ing, because its simply not worth the force if they dont have recklessness op, it only benefits your white dmg, and thats it. Also using Paratism in that build is completly misplaced, the only time you pick up that talent for pvp is if your going full madness so you got 3x dots running and Devour + 2x forcemaster set pieces, otherwise that talent is not even close to worth its pts cost. And using dots with out Creeping Death is also just a weak version of Madness. With madness you atleast pickup a root. Raze is a good talent I'll give you that, but using that many talent pts just to get a weak version of Madness raze, in my book its just silly. Now with all that said ofc. the speccs can perform, but to me they just seems like weak versions of stronger builds, and I am not just refereing to my own attempt of a build, but 23/15/3 vs 23/1/17, not even a competition, 5/13/23 vs 5/3/33, again not even a competition just to make two examples. These are ofc. all just personal oppinions, and I might not have phrased it as clearly as I could have but thats life. As for you end comment, again I am sorry that you got butthurt, but you getting mad dont really change the game mechanics.

Theres been a few threads lately about hybrids and such. Some suggested 23/15/3 With Dark Charge Wich I personaly think is a waste of alot of talents and alot of synergi the talents inbetween. Some suggested 5/13/23 With lightning Charge Slightly Better, but again I still think its lacking some Synergi with the talents inbetween, plus some keytalents I find almost impossible to live without in pvp. And then we have Shin's 0/13/28 Wich is proberly the best of the 3's I mentioned, but again, I think that it just lacks the last bit to make it really viable. This ofc. Is all from my own POV. So I was thinking things through, and trying out a few different things and ended up playing around with 11/13/17. Its very close to Shins 0/13/28, I basicly give up abit of burst on Deathfield to gain access to a short cd on Force Speed and disjuntion, the fact that remove the kiting issue, gain 9% AP + 60-70 more dmg on each surge procc makes it alot more attractiv imo. Any way I wont go into to many details, but basicly all your talents keep their synergi, you gain the same mobility as you would with a darkness specc, your burst is still very solid and the CC is pretty much as good as it gets, if I had to point out two things that I feel this specc lack then its the survivability of darkness (wich all dps speccs lack), and force pull, but I guess you cant have it all. But personaly I find this to the most solid dps specc available to us atm. I've got a vod of me doing 4-5 games in normal wz's with a concealment ops mate, have a look at judge for yourself, wether or not the specc delivers what I am talking about. VoD 11/13/17

pot, meet kettle. If you write a QQ post like that, basicly self proclaiming your own awesomeness, be preparede for ppl to take you down a notch. As allways the problem in games like this are that most ppl think they are alot better than they are, and the reason they lose are everybody else's fault. That would be flattering, if they designed a whole game around me. Since they are not correcting what needs to be corrected, then ye, really got nothing to do with this thread though. Got tired of WoW, 8 Seasons of Arena and gladiator was enough for me, waiting for GW2, need something to do meanwhile, lightsabers are cool and stuff. And I am kind enough to answer. The only real reason to move to South Korea would be to go pro in the SC2 scene, and playing casual master lvl sc2, is no where near enough to justify that, I simply do not have the time, or will to go pro in sc2.

Funny when I click mine it says Highest Earned 2366 wins: 243 Losses: 10 Total Wins: 1043 Player Kills: 23081 Medals Earned: 15679 Mvp Votes: 1653 Valor: 98 Most of them was proberly horrible ye, and I guess then one's who werent stomped you. No, its an option to play vs competent players, and play competetive games. Havent seen you play, but considering your not in a good team, and your writing posts the way you do, then I would say theres a good chance of that. I somehow doubt that. If thats the case, then why havent you been drafted yet ? considering how small the server comunity's are, good ppl tend to find each other rather easily. the Guild MM queue your talking about is called rwz, the 4 man queue posibility for normal wz's are fine as they are, if you dont even know 3 ppl who would like to play with you in normals, well wonder where the problem lies then. As for not wanting to queue with noobs, go ranked or get friends for normals. Get some friends if you want awesome ppl to queue with, I have no issue queueing alone when I am bored, playing with recruit geared players. To most of us it sounds like you just want good ppl to carry you, but ofc. your whole post steams of negativity, wich might just make it sound like that. What do you think will happen when you face a fully geared and coordinated team in rwz when you solo queue for it? As for moving on to another game, that goes for alot of ppl, with alot of different reasons, for me personaly its the lack of competition in this game, ppl in general are just bad, wich makes it so that most servers might only have 1 or 2 good teams, wich makes it exceptionaly boring. But thats not what your asking, your asking to make normal wz's give rwz marks, while only beeing open for ppl with X gear lvl, or valor rank. Most ppl who are not completely dense, knows that it has nothing to do with a persons ability to pvp. I cant count the times I've seen a person in recruit gear be 10x as valuable than a full wh scrub farming some random place on the map.

Half truth right there, ppl want to win yes, but facerolling all games gets boring very very fast, I am sure that if you ask some of the teams with 95%+ winrate they would much rather have a 75% winrate and alot more competition.

TL;DR - I got rolled by ppl who are better, with better coordination. With that said, a working matchmaking system would be nice, by since the population are as small as it is, there are no way for them to make a functional system, could maybe be fixed once x-server queues arrive, if they are arrive in time, wich they most likely wont.

dno what to say, your doing something wrong clearly

You mix in pve gear. I only use max power gear for lol crits in normal wz's - My pref set is the 30% crit 900 power version wich also nets me 1300 exp, the power gear got around 1100 exp.

Lets see swtor launches 1.7 mil subs - August hits 500k subs .... ye clearly the fact that bio does not fix what needs fixing have no impact. How dense are you ?

Pure power gear 25% crit 75% surge and 95% acc - 12xx power Mixed gear 30% crit 75 Surge 95 acc 900 power Crit gear 38% crit 75 surge 690 power

O'rly http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8417/dmglol.jpg ye I am aware that this is a rwz, and that its a 3 week old SS, and the quote is out of context etc. just couldnt help my self

So what your saying, that on your server the Healer getting trained dont get guard, taunts and peels from his team mates.... ye ****** server then.

I found an old SS from 3 weeks ago or so, just wondering if I will get kicked out of my team !! I died two times as much as I killed ppl !! I know thats an rwz and not a pug, but this is pretty much how I play huttbal in pugs aswell, because I actually win that way :< I could ofc. post This, I got **** objectiv pts, my dmg is low, I did however prevent the enemy team from capping mid all game, and keept 3-4 of there ppl there through the entire game. Or I could post This, solid numbers all around. Long story short, numbers doesnt really tell that much, and if you need numbers to tell who's good and bad, then theres a good chance that your the bad one, numbers will appear if they are need for the win, the win wont appear just because of numbers

If you really wantede to run some variation of that specc, wich I personally think is less than optimal. I would suggest this specc instead, I think it would be alot more effective, and since everyone names their builds something silly, lets just call this build The upz The cheaper shocks, higher AP, Disjunction > Raze/UEK not to mention all the reduced cd's on all your important abilities. And you actually got better burst capabilitie than your origional specc. Any way tbh havent tried the specc I linked, but it seems like you waste alot less talents than the one you made yourself, also the synergi the talents inbetween seems alot better, while you also remove the problem with getting kited. Just my 2 thoughts.

I think it depends on your role in your team. 23/1/17 is certianly great, but not because of the dmg, the dmg your mention is nothing special if you compare it to PT's burst, Marauder Burst, sniper Burst etc. If they wantede pure dmg, then they would bring that, and all those clas's bring the same lvl of utility, in different variations. Be it Orbital Strike, Aoe Mez, Grapple etc. And the dmg is not really that much better than if you pull off a 3x hd reck FL followed by an energized shock wich then proccs Chainshock. The difference is non noticeable, where you as full Darkness can get Nerve Wrecking (+10% dmg from all sources during the stun) From my pov what you do however get is the instant lift, and a longer range for interrupting caps etc. with Deathfield and so forth. Comparede to 31/x/x you do however loose alot of survivability if you solo defend, and more than one person shows up, I am not saying it cant be done, because ofc. it can be done in 23/1/17, my point is simply that you trade x for y, and the trade of is meh, if your job is mainly guarding. Imo where 23/1/17 shines are if you do stealth ops, capping doors, nodes etc. or if your supporting your attack grp with instant ww - wich is really the only notciable thing you get for that. Long story short 23/1/17 is great, but saying its the end all be all, is overratede and quite frankly wrong imo. I'm still switching between the good old 31/0/10 and 23/1/17, depending on our setup and my role in it.

His fingers move with the speed of light, and how is this relevant in the pvp section. One would think that the server forum would be more suited.

31/x/x sounds like the specc your aiming for, while wearing dps gear.

Amen brother!

WHAT =!=!`?!?!`! how am I supposed to get my 6-7k crits on pve geared ppl in normal wz's, if I dont specc for that?!!?