I think some of the other great teams/players would disagree with you

We run with a jug tank in our premade @ 2.4k rating - with ~97-98% winrate atm. As allways player>class in most cass's and I wouldnt trade our tank for another sin tank, but then again we're proberly also one of the only teams that run with a concealment op aswell. Best regards Warmonger's on Tomb of freedon Nadd.

Actually no. You should really figure out how pvp works, and how Assassin class mechanic works http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1917/screenshot2012070723174.jpg This is with 19½% crit and 1.2k power. In pvp you want to burst as deception and thats it, you dont do that with 30-40% crit and 400 power.

Thats pretty much how every VS I play pans out.

Get a clue mate

how do you think ppl got full wh before rwz came ....

So how are you doing in ratede wz's with your deception and madness build ?

Go at it kid.

hahahaha please, you used nerd, on this forum, in this discussion.... rofl srsly.

I say lol that you post a pic of a tank specced close to bis geared jugg with fully buffed with "endure pain" up. clearly his whole team is like that, hahahahaha.

that you did, and I could have been slightly better at phrasing myself in regards to the l2p attitude. with that said I did write a long response to your second post, who unfortunatly got ****ed up by my internet, and after that I kinda lost interest since in the end other ppl's short commings/problems really do not concern or affect me. I will however try mention it to our ops, wether he wants to give an input or not I cant say.

Hey I am currently streaming some normal warzones, later on I am going to start streaming our rated wz's in the future since I finaly got the last things in place, for it to be as I wantede it to. Our RWZ team is currently @ 2.2k rating with a w/l of 100-0 with me in the team. I know it say's two loss's, those are from DC's, wich you will just have to trust me on I normaly use 31/0/10 or 23/1/17 for RWZ If you got any questions during stream feel free to ask, and I will do my best to answer them accordingly. Our RWZ team consist of. Veng/immortal Jugg Carnage Marauder Pyro PT Sniper/Rage jugg/Pyro PT Merc Healer/Ops healer Ops healer Concelment Ops Darkness Sin Stream @ http://www.twitch.tv/upzie84

you're not very good at math, first of you didnt have 8k armor, blatent lie. Second even if you did have 8k, then the your new armor would be 6133 not less than 5k. I would deffinatly prefere the way it was before, but the changes are not even close to beeing as gamebreaking as ppl make it sound, unless you're really bad at playing the class. But then again if you're small, then even the small things will seem big.

In general decent advice, I am sure alot of new players will benefit from it, gj for putting the time into it.

31/0/10 and 23/1/17 works perfectly fine in dps gear. However, the stats you're looking for are WP/POWER -> Surge (till you hit 300 rating) -> endurance. Wolla, thats about it. I shouldnt have to say exp.

its called ranked.

if you get stomped in 8v8, there is good chance that the ppl who stomp you there, will also stomp you in 4v4.

We are bringing both a sniper and concealment ops with us

Councealment Ops Darkness Sin Veng/immortal Jugg Marauder Pyro PT Sniper/Pyro PT Healing ops Healing Merc/OPS Is our main grp, 78-1 atm, with the 1 loss's beeing a DC.

Results speaks louder than words, so show us how well your rwz's have been going with Madness =)

Snave just finished the RWZ session for today, to tired to answer your long post, will have a look at that tomorrow. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/889/screenshot2012070103040.jpg <-- the one loss is from a DC

This is from my pov, from playing tons of games with this op in normal and rated wz's So long story short I think the 55-0 records speaks for itself as for the viability/balance of OPS in rwz, I'm playing on Tomb of Fredonn Nadd in case ppl feel a need to check it out. Gramma fail and spelling errors are free.

I'll post as SS as soon as I get off work, or I'll get him to do it - what you believe or do not believe does not really matter

Didnt read the whole thread, I will just say this though, with our main setup on ToFN are currently undefeated @ 55-0 running Councealment Ops Darkness Sin Veng/immortal Jugg Marauder (cant remember his specc) Pyro PT Pyro PT/Sniper Healing ops Healing Ops/Merc We find out Concealment ops to be very valuable in our team And have no intention of switching him out as things are now.

We get it, but there are no reason to bring a deception sin, When a pyro pt or marauder Will dó the job better.