Infiltration hits hard enough. Lower the cool down of force cloak a decent amount and I will switch back.

Here they go again. They quit because everyone on their team is bad. Have not heard that before.

I think that (bolded/underlined) it was everybody wants. The loss in subscribers will improve the game and help overall subscriptions in the long run. Quitters dont realize how annoying it is to have matches determined by who has more quitters on their team. They usually just quit if their teammates quit. The vocal minority is the quitters. I highly doubt the human race would have evolved so far if the average person could not handle losing and was so inconsiderate of others. The irony in the last sentence is amazing. From your mouth to the quitters ears.

I like gear grinding but this post made a really good point. For the metrics alone it could be valuable. Even though they have all the averages, there be anomalies. ie one class is perfectly balanced but for whatever reason performs subpar when it is undergeared compared to other undergeared classes. It would also be fun.

Are you aware that there are other people trying to play a fun game that you are causing to lose? You speak like you affect no one. What about the guy who has to fill in for you? Lets say he has limited time, he is stuck with your mess. Yes, they ruin other peoples fun and like you are oblivious to anyone but themselves, so the forum is a place to enlighten them. You say it's "humiliating them," that implies it is bad behavior. You contradict yourself, if there is nothing wrong with it, how is it humiliating?

You certainly don't. I have yet to be in a WZ with 7 teammates who were clueless. If I have 1 or 2 clueless players I deal with it. I don't want to screw over the people who do know what they are doing or the poor guy who would have to fill my spot. But as you so eloquently say, you don't care. That is my point quitter.

What in the world are you talking about? Do you really want me to list real world events that come before a PvP MMO? Are you serious? I was talking about the 90 posts about people quitting because of "bads" or "until bioware stops premades and pugs" "until bioware lets me choose my WZ" etc etc etc Enough with the sad attempt to morph what i said into "let a kid with a broken leg cry and finish a WZ" Seriously, this is really poor sportsmanship. Then again, it's typical quitter mentality to blame others so continue.... Next you people will say I want soldiers in combat zones to ignore orders to protect civilian villlages and finish the WZ. Are you joking? Where on earth do you people get this nonsense from? I am the kid???? This is some twisted arguing. Have you no shame?

I will not argue semantics but, if you and i each run 100 warzones and you have more WH than pieces than I do, you have better gear, even if I will get the same gear in 6 months. The point I was making was that Ranked were only supposed to reward people with epeen itens such as a special look. They were not supposed to get gear faster. As I said, I have it done already. I know on forums people (ie the posts above) love to tell people they are qq'ing, but the fact remains that you get gear faster in ranked.

My original post is a response to this. Keep blaming your teammates quitter. Quitter rationale nonsense makes want to vomit so I will stay away from this thread. The normal people are in your groups, you don't fool us, we see you quitters quit. If we are lucky and get a quick replacement we usually do OK. The problem is when you quitters quit we often have to wait for reps and sometimes your cancerous quitting is contagious.

Why is this not an issue? If you play regular and pay the conversion penalty you are getting your gear at a rate 1/3rd of those with 8 man teams. PS I finished my WH set and even got two extra pieces to rip apart the components, so this is not a qq.

So you will get 15 posts saying, I quit b/c my team is bad, and 15 saying, I quit b/c Bioware this or that, for every one post from a normal person. Every time they read a post by a normal person saying how they are trying to play a match and hate when people quit, the quitter immediately responds with, "well you are bad." Childish. The real solution is to somehow put all the quitters in their own pool of players. Then Bioware could charge money for spectators watching all of them blame each other. Win Win for Bioware and regular people and hopefully the quitters will quit the game and go destroy another MMO. Quitters are so psychologically messed up they honestly think that every time a bomb is planted or a node is capped or a goal is scored against them, it is someone else's fault. Seriously, read these posts. It is impossible that the other team is good. I am sure if a good play is made against them they blame premades or gear, these quitters are a cancer. This is a game so it is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, I mean all they do is ruin others fun.It's like a little kid who steals your baseball so 18 people can't play. But, make no mistake about what kind of people quitters are and what kind of people the folks who play hundreds of matches and NEVER quit are. If you stick out a meaningless MMO match because you don't want to be unfair to whoever gets stuck filling your spot you are probably a decent human being.

I have a question. I understand how awesome you are but I have one question. If you are defending a node, solo because you're awesome, to give your team the advantage at mid. And the other team caps, how do you know it is a lack of teamwork? Maybe the other team is better. In Huttball, if you do not see anyone to pass to, how do you know it's a lack of teamwork, maybe the other team AoE slowed them or stunned them, rooted, killed etc. I realize you are truly awesome but unless your camera angle zooms out 5x farther than mine there is no way to determine your entire team is medal farming. Not to mention that medal farming is pointless now anyway. Quitters are a cancer to PvP. Besides 100% proof that someone is hacking, there is no excuse for this. It sounds more like the "Psycology of Quitter 101" if you get frustrated losing, look around, blame your teammate and quit. I would rather play with people who do not have pass bound than quitters.

You are perfect http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=498606

I agree with the quitters. People should be able to leave if they don't like the WZ, if their teammates quit, if they are playing a premade and if they are playing better geared people or teams with better composition than their team and of course if their team is "bads." In short, every war zone should be decided within the first minute, if your team goes behind you should quit make and make up an excuse like the people in this thread. This will be great for PvP and really make it fun. We need more quitters. Remember, if you lose, find someone to blame, or blame Bioware, it's never your fault and you should never stick it out after a full minute. It's much smarter to quit and hope for a better team.

Every single class (including KC) has a rotation that can be shut down. The burst is better in infiltration. This is a fact. Infiltration needs to do two things in ranked, know who to attack and know how to get out of being attacked. Infiltration is excellent at capping nodes. 3 of the 4 WZ's require quick caps to win. KC can't touch infiltration in this area. In my opinion Ranked is being played very conservatively now, when it becomes more mundane you will see more freelancing. Apart from burst, the KC shadow has every other advantage. More utility, better survivability and AoE effects. I have been in groups that have lost because the burst DPS was low. Shadows in general have a lot of CC and I don't understand how anyone says they should just be shutdown and killed quickly. Usually, people go after healers and cappers. If someone is peeling an infiltration shadow off a healer, the infiltrator has a slow, stun, speed, immobolize and knockback and an escape ability. Infiltration is easy to shut down if he is AFK. Most people who do not like infiltration will say the same thing about all the low defensive classes. However, you can not win without burst. Is KC better? Yes, the amount you give up in burst does not compare to the gains, but infiltration has it's place. The do great on the scoreboard and the KC has good burst and good AoE. However, in a WZ you want kills as fast as possible, seconds matter on caps. KC single target DPS is slower. Even if the KC shadow won a higher percentage of 1v1 and 2v2, they are slower wins. The biggest detractor to infiltration is not another class but tanked spec'ed shadow assassins. The KC spec happens to be the tuffest 1v1 spec (amongst all classes and AC's) vs the infiltrator and that is a big factor in the detractor opinion.

Mind trap will only work if your opponent is not in combat with any dots or other players on him, so I rarely use it that way except in a 1v1. Cloak has too many uses to list but suffice to say, I don't want the escape ability to be burned, whenever its up, in order to get more force, that is not how the spec is designed. That is 100% true and my point, because the tank spec has no force issues to go along with it's other advantages. 30% regeneration is huge, and I think spinning kick vs low slash is a force cost saver as well. Devs, throw the infiltration spec a bone, it's literally laughed at. mostly because the other tree is so good but still. TLDR: Emergency patch please

Just to recap my point was that the spec has resource issues if played correctly. 1) The out-of-stealth regen ability is the first tier of infiltration/deception so it's available to the tank spec whereas the 30% regen is in the 4th tier of the tank spec which is unavailable to infiltration/deception. So, the tank spec which is far from underpowered gets a big advantage here. 2) The playstyle of using of cloak/shroud works to get out of combat to get the regen buff works. But the ability is supposed to be your escape ability, not a way to get force back through the buff. You are also giving away the escape ability that is supposed to help survivability of the spec. That is not really fair.

Blackout gives you an additional 10 force every 60 seconds. You also have an additional 10 in your force pool from another infiltration AC ability. That does not come close to competing with the KC 30% regeneration increase, and they have a talent to lower the cost of project/Saber strike. If you are continually DPS'ing you will run out of force. Fast. The people who say it is easy to shut down an infiltration spec are exaggerating. They assume that the target has his stun up, that the shadow does not have his breaker and that they knew the big rotation was coming. You can twirl 2x on target A and unload on target B. The spec should also not be targeting someone alone anyway. (Also, low slash is better then the talented spinning kick.) There are team makeups where this spec as well as concealment op are very good. In huttball it is a viable ball carrier in many situations, it has resilience, deflection and force speed and can get open with stealth. If he needs to, he also has a level 1 ability called pass. Comparing it to KC, the tanking spec, it is worse, that is simply because the tank spec does great DPS for a tank, which is another issue. The spec is fun, not as good as tank spec, it is useful, but I think it's resource management needs help.

I have a consular and I do it all the time. Firstly, I would like to apologize, but more importantly I would like to explain why. The apology is sincere, everytime I do it and then see your AoE going off with cool graphics I grimace or facepalm. I screwed up, there I said it. Why? Our AoE does no damage, what is the point? No one was even focusing me, it was just a crowd, so why did I do it. The reason is because we consulars have no AoE abilities. We are all trained to see when a group is clumped so we can unleash an AoE, as consular, all i have is a knockback. Granted it's useless when not interupting or on a bridge/platform etc but when I see the crowd I hit the crowd. In conclusion, give us a social aoe ability with no damage, no effect, no gcd, if you want this to stop. Sort of like nicotine gum. **If you doubt my reasoning then next time it happens do this, ask the offender what spec he is, 9/10 it's an AC with no AoE.

The should have left the check-box there and just had it default to "unchecked," no reason to have removed it, but not a major deal.

Any additional information they supply, I will take happily. Sometimes your team is not doing well and this info can be helpful. Also, the more columns you have the more of chance you have at being on the top of one and can feel happy. I also want a "damage taken" column & solo kill column. If it was up to me, we would get an entire spreadsheet with average hit, mean hit etc etc. What if the Jugg comes out on top of single dps AND aoe DPS? Nerf?

The should have left the check-box there and just had it default to "unchecked," no reason to have removed it, but not a major deal.

I think we should be able to return items that we bought and the developers later changed. I am now sitting on a war hero relic that is worse than an old battlemaster relic. Since the prior WH relics shared a cool down, I bought a "tanking" relic because two of the same "DPS" clickies were meaningless. Now the clicky (which did not stack) is gone and the DPS stats that replaced the clicky do stack. What is the reason vendors only give 1 credit for them? ( I understand they dont want me to keep changing the items by returning them, ie at 7:00 PM i have a DPS set and then 8:00PM exchange it for a tank set and then 9:00 exchange back to DPS, but this was a total item change that took quite some time to acquire.

I don't believe this. If you are talking about your guild group, they will take you, the only time you won't get in a guild group if they need an archtype and you are (ie) DPS instead of heals. If you are talking about PUGs they are all scrambling for healers and would take you if you were the worst sorc on your server. I assume this is a clever way to ask for a buff to your class. But.... This post type has been done before and it won't catch on.

Wrong Not to mention a PUG could be 2 pugs of 4 in full WH. I have no idea what you are saying.