You do know that a keyboard and mouse is also direct input.. I just thought I would mention that..

I don't know.. Does 30 years of Flight Simulator count?? Do countless other flight sims from other game producers like Novalogic count?? Statements like the one above serve only to show what you do not know and how weak your point actually is.. Assuming you even have a point to make.. How about we stick to the topic and not make lame assumptions about people.. You don't help your cause or your argument.. Honestly it seems that you don't know what your talking about when it comes to what I have or haven't played... I suggest you come to terms with that..

I won't do wireless.. Call me old school.. I am terrified of the battery dying during some big important fight.. I call it murphy's law and I try never to challenge it.. I am prolly going to pick one up from Amazon.. They have them for $31.00.. So good call on that one..

We do have pitch and yaw.. It is called your mouse.. It works great..

BLAH!!! I wish.. Last time I was there, all they had were the ones made by Microsoft for $49.99.. I have a cheap madcatz one now, and it is sorta broke in that it sorta works..

Did you read my post or just glossed over it and missed the first 90% I haven't attacked the OP at all.. It isn't my shiny new toy.. Thanks for being insulting.. I also have the right to post.. Did you forget that?? Johnny on the spot?? About what and so what?? Why cares and why do you?? Are you implying that I do not have the right to respond?? I didn't think so.. If you aren't going to read my post, then do yourself a favor and don't respond.. You make yourself look foolish when you are denying the right for someone to post while you are telling them that someone else has a right to post.. Hypocrite much??

You are comparing a mouse with a mouse and you want to call what I said as being lame?? Do you even know what a controller is or what it does?? I would hate to think that you don't.. But if your only example is that a mouse with more buttons is better than a mouse with less, then you either no nothing about a controller or nothing about GS.. I'll let you decide.. Yes it is the same company that sold a SWTOR keyboard, mouse, and mouse pad.. That nobody was required to buy.. Your point being.. Because so far you haven't made one.. Yes we all want GS to be successful.. Adding controller support isn't going to make it successful.. I am sorry if you just can't deal with sound arguments based on actual facts and information.. You have compared a mouse to a mouse.. Complained that Bioware had Razer make a collectible keyboard, mouse, and mouse pad.. As if either of those things actually amount to a point that is based on logic.. Also, making a themed joystick is irrelevant.. You are totally missing the point here.. Bioware doesn't want to add something that would require people to buy something to play.. It isn't an issue of whether some would or not.. I am sure some would.. Would everyone?? Probably not.. There in lies the issue.. Judging by the number of threads.. There actually hasn't been that many.. Not to mention, the OP of this one made two threads.. Do we count these threads as 1 or 2?? You also can't count the ones before launch because they were before launch.. How can someone have any kind of an opinion on what would be better if they have never played something.. I don't feel someone is qualified to make any suggestions if they know nothing about it.. All people say was the demo videos and wanted a joystick.. I guess watching Nascar would make someone qualified to race?? Let alone make suggestions.. The people that want a controller need to address the points that have been made by Bioware, others, and myself.. That is just how it is.. Bioware has already come out against the use of a controller.. Most of the people in the beta came out against the use of a controller.. It is just not something that is needed.. It wouldn't be worth the effort to do.. Sorry if you disagree..

First of all, you need to come to terms with a simple fact.. This is not a space sim.. It isn't a sim at all.. Any and all simulators will put you in the cockpit or drivers seat.. That why they are called simulators.. This is simply an arcade mini game for an MMO.. That is all.. The controls are highly simplified.. I don't even know how a throttle would work in this.. To completely stop you have to press 'X'.. There is no reverse like there was in Descent.. So would 0 throttle stop you or would full reverse stop you?? You aren't really controlling your ship at all.. You are flying a reticle.. Your ship just follows.. I actually think it would be somewhat awkward to use a controller.. That being said, you still haven't addressed the possible advantages someone might have while using one??

Ok.. All were fun.. I played them extensively.. Descent 3 I never actually finished the Single player part.. I played it exclusively online.. I was actually in a guild for that game.. I achieved Demigod rank just over a year of starting.. I used a joystick for the most part, then became a mouser as it was more accurate and faster to control.. It made the mass driver even more deadly..

Ok but.. That made me think you were saying that Descent Freespace was a rail shooter instead and that you just got your games confused.. None of the Descent games including Freespace was a rail shooter..

Free Space wasn't a rail shooter either.. The reason it was called Free Space.. Or.. Descent Free Space originally.. Was that it took you out of the caves of Descent.. It was still a first person 360 degree space sim shooter.. Just like Descent.. It just took place more in open space, instead of down in some cave.. Oh and that came on CD as well..

OMG!! You did not just say that!!! Well, there goes your credibility.. Descent 1-3 were all first person 360 degree cockpit view space sims.. I still miss my guide bot.. A rail shooter?? Really?? How could you??

I have it on CD.. Your point being?? Do you believe everything you read?? Even still how is that evidence of a shoe string budget?? The game engine for a game like that would be pretty simple compared to the engine used in SWTOR..

Shoe string budgets?? Where do you get your information?? Lucas Arts has never done anything on a shoe string budget.. And when they were made is irrelevant.. X-wing Alliance, that you mentioned came on CD.. I still have it.. I also played the enter Descent series, including Free Space.. All came on CD.. I still have the discs.. I have also played the entire X-wing series.. The only one that didn't come on on CD was the original X-wing.. All others were on CD.. You know the original Flight simulator used a joystick as well.. Back in the 80's.. Stick figure plane and environments, They were first person cockpit view as well.. Go figure.. Because you are trying to force the standards of a cockpit view game on a non cockpit view game.. Like I said, you need to stop comparing apples to oranges.. Not to mention stop making demands based upon your bad attempt comparisons..

Why?? Because we got it first?? Lame argument?? Just try to explain that to Dale Earnhardt Jr. According to you, he is at a disadvantage because a lot of people raced in Nascar before he did.. It should be impossible for any new driver to win.. According to you of course..

1) How about we stop making threads about the same topic.. Some would call that spam.. This is the 2nd I have seen from you so far.. 2) Stop comparing games that have a first person perspective and cockpit view to this one.. GS is third person and no cockpit view.. 3) GS does not need joystick support.. It isn't what most would call a traditional flight sim.. Nor is it intended to be.. If your only justification is to compare it to other games that have a cockpit view then you are exposing the flaw in your own argument.. 4) As mentioned above, there is some evidence that people using a controller might have a slight edge over those that don't..

Well.. The games you mentioned are all first person cockpit view flight sims.. GS is not.. How about we not compare apples to oranges.. Either that or get a good divorce lawyer..

My word.. Everything has to be legacy with you people.. Can't you just play the game?? You want legacy everything?? Don't roll any alts.. Problem solved..

Actually I am not insulting at all.. I actually used your words.. Well.. Your phrase.. Became.. So, if I was insulting, then so were you.. If any ego was pumped and argument nullified it was your own.. I don't know?? Is it cool to get your own treatment?? You are the one that got copied.. Have a nice day..

Well see that is where you are wrong.. Their moaning and groaning isn't justified.. This entire issue is player created.. It is hardly logical to get mad at the hammer when you hit yourself with it. Also you are missing the point.. The point is to stop the moaning and groaning.. Not give people a different reason.. The only way that is going to happen is if people are forced to roll more tanks and healers.. Which if course will never happen.. WOW has the exact same issues for the exact same reasons.. a ton more people than this game has.. There really is not solution to this issue.. I hate pugging because of the retarded DPS that I run in to.. You would think it would be common sense to let the tank do the pulling.. I love it when some moron DPS pulls, then gets killed, and then complains at me because I didn't have agro?? You think?? If they are going to make my life harder, then I can do the same and let them die.. Then go find a group with less morons.. That is also a problem.. There are a ton of DPS that don't know how to play as DPS.. Again one that isn't even addressed in the idea being floated around.. I have a tank, 2 healers, and I hate pugging because of issues like the one above.. So I avoid the GF as much as I can.. I would prefer to run with my guild..

The only time a controller or controller support becomes needed is if we have cockpit view.. Since we have 3rd person like the rest of the game.. We really don't need it and it would be awkward to fly in third person view.. All they have done is take what we had before off the rails.. That is it.. They never said anything like that during the closed beta.. What was said is their typical soft no.. 'We have no plans for it at this point in time, but will look into it for possibly being added in the future..' Something along those lines.. Bioware has yet to say definitely about anything.. So I seriously doubt your claim is accurate.. Most people in the beta didn't think it was needed and it would make the controls awkward.. Your best bet is a 3rd party solution that allows you to assign controls to a controller.. Adding a controller to this would in many ways open a can of worms.. Suddenly people would want to use a controller to play their characters..

None the less.. They should have made it free to subscribers and cost for everyone else.. Anything that adds value to being a subscriber is a good thing..

We complained about this in the beta.. One of the many things that Bioware ignored us about..

^^ I support this as well.. But TUX is right.. It will never happen..

And you don't think DPS won't moan and complain that they don't have the same goals and special treatment?? Which is probably why no such effort has been made before.. It is really kind of hard to do something for one segment of community and not the rest..