Not sure if that will fly.. Jek Tono Porkins was an actual person in Star Wars.. I agree with titles, just not names of people from the future..

Dude!! How is that even an argument?? Can you name one thing that is legacy that you buy off the cartel market?? Why don't my other characters get packs when I buy some with a character?? Why don't they all get that varactyl mount when I buy one?? Dude!!! I can't think of anything that is legacy when you purchase it off the Cartel Market.. Sure, somethings can be unlocked for an additional cost.. Even still that additional cost can be quite a bit..

Wow... Good thing for that period.. You wouldn't have had 5 chars otherwise..

Do you actually read posts or just gloss over them?? Where did I ever say that I suggested that controllers should be left out?? I agreed with the other 80% or so of the beta people in sayting that joysticks or controllers probably aren't a good idea.. Bioware cut them down by saying they didn't want to force people to by new hardware to play the game.. How many times do I need to repeat that before you get it?? I have not attacked anyone and you would be hard pressed at actually posting an attack from me.. This entire exchange between you and I has been about our different view of what speaking for other people means or doesn't mean, and failed attempts to get you back on topic.. You can think what you want about the developers, EA, Bioware, and the beta testers.. I could really careless.. To me all it shows is your lack of understanding of what is actually going on. They screen their beta testers just fine.. They want people that can look at the game objectively and not personally.. The beta testers also only provide input, Bioware still makes the final call.. So don't be dissing the beta testers.. We all did our part.. If you don't agree with the outcome, you have that right.. You do not have the right to attack the means in which others came to a different opinion.. If insulting is your only point and tactic.. Then you have no point or tactic..

Ok dude... Let's clear a few things up here.. First of all.. The only mistake I made was not actually looking at who wrote your post.. Since you were not part of the original exchange, I saw your response as being from someone else.. Your mistake was sticking your nose into another conversation that was off topic to begin with, and not to metion telling someone not to post on the forums.. Did I put words in your mouth?? Absolutely not.. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that my post wasn't completely written to you.. I was still responding to things that were said by someone else.. The person I thought I was writing to.. A word of advice.. Don't respond to off topic posts that are directed to someone else, unless you have the common sense to know that you might get a response to someone else.. Which was the case here.. You can despute anything I say all you want.. I would appreciate it if you do just that.. You are not so important that anyone on the forums needs your input or advice about anything.. If someone asks for it sure.. If you are not then keep it to yourself.. I won't stoop to your level by telling you not to post in the forums.. You do provide some comic relief to the rest of the forum, so keep it up..

Do not tell anyone to go away and think before they post again.. You do not have the right in any way shape or form to tell someone not to post on the forums.. As for thinking?? Well.. It is obvious who didn't think when they wrote a post.. You don't have to understand what I said and the terms in which it was perfectly appropriate.. Some people don't.. You appear to fall into that category.. When someone says people voted for this or that.. Or people shopped at this store or that one.. Some people drove on the freeway.. Some people fly on airplanes.. Some people hate onions.. Some people love steak... Are they speaking for someone or are they stating an observable fact?? That is the key difference here.. What is an observable fact and what isn't.. He was speaking for people because he wasn't stating an observable fact.. He was attempting to make one.. I know by a large margin that people that have played GS have agreed that a controller or joystick added to GS would not be a good idea.. For various reasons stated in one thread or another.. Some I agree with and some I don't.. The forums during the beta spent a lot of time talking about this very issue.. Now why don't you ditch this obsession with me and get back to topic.. Next time you want to make an attempt at being cute?? Don't..

That is the beauty of language.. You only get to choose how something means to you, not how something was meant.. A thorough grasp of that concept is kind of required for an internet forum.. Other than the phrase 'you people' what should I have said?? 'You obnoxious lazy people..' which is obviously an insult and derogatory.. How about 'You wonderfully awesome and amazing people..' which would obviously be sarcasm and not what I would want to say.. Anything that could possibly stroke feelings of entitlement is inappropriate in my opinion.. 'You people..' works.. It is short, simple and says what I need to say.. There is nothing derogatory about it.. Sorry.. But I am entitled to that opinion.. After being on the forums ever since legacy was introduced with patch 1.2 in March of 2012.. People have done nothing but ask to use legacy as a means to NOT play their alts.. Be it gathering datacrons, leveling characters, having all armor be legacy, now the GSF ships, and the list goes on.. Legacy was never meant to be used as a means to NOT play the game.. But that is how some people use it.. Welcome to the reality of laziness.. Until I see different, my opinions aren't going to change.. I have recently started playing Skyrim.. I just have to wonder how some people would manage playing that game.. There is no legacy in that game at all.. Each alt should you create one is completely separate.. I currently have 2 characters as I am exploring some different choice options.. But I am playing the entire game with both characters.. Nothing explored on one is explored on the other.. I just wish people would learn that their alts are in fact separate characters.. It is the players fault if they create 100 some odd alts and now complain about doing it all 100 times.. Like I said.. You want everything to be legacy?? Don't make any alts.. It really is that simple.. If you make an alt, then you accept responsibility to actually play that character.. Legacy was never designed to play it for you.. If the shoe fits.. Why are you asking for legacy ships?? So you don't have to earn the upgrades on a per character basis.. See.. I rest my case..

Wow.. Speaking for others again.. I am not attacking anyone.. I just see so many people comparing GS to other flight sim games that have a cockpit perspective or view.. GS does not have that.. That is a big issue.. It is called common sense and it seems to not be so common.. That literally is like comparing apples and oranges.. They are both fruits, but that is all the have in common.. The controls are what they are for a reason.. Bioware didn't want to put something out that would require everyone to run out and get a controller.. Believe it or not, some people don't have a controller.. Can you imagine the gripes if people had to go out and spend money to play the GS expansion?? Oh wait?? That didn't happen.. Why don't read my post and stop attempting to understand what it is I think or don't think.. I don't think anything is unrealistic and never said such a thing.. I don't have any expectations.. Again, if you aren't going to read my post then don't respond to them.. Just a common sense thing you know?? I understand the convo perfectly.. I have been having it longer than most.. This was something that also came up during the closed beta in the private forum.. How about we stop being a jerk to anyone that disagrees with you and start defending your position with actual points and logic.. Some common sense would also be nice.. Don't worry about who has your pompoms, and learn to speak for yourself.. Oh and come to terms with the idea that sometimes, someone else might have some information that you don't.. Not saying me.. Just saying..

To bad your body doesn't remember a cockpit view.. Mine does..

Wow really?? I bet you think you are pretty cute with that don't ya?? Well.. Here is to thinking.. Perhaps next time you will do that before you write a post.. To clarify for you.. I was not speaking for other people.. I was disputing his comment with some observable facts.. There is a huge difference..

I stopped reading after that.. First of all, when I said you people I was referring to the people that constantly seem to ask for legacy this or legacy that.. There just seems to be a small part of the community that believes legacy is the holy grail of laziness and short cuts.. I no longer have to play the game because legacy will save me.. This is actually where you come off as a jerk.. I am entitled to my opinions and they do not have to agree with your opinions. If you can't respond to the point made, then don't bother.. You choose to take things personal.. You people is hardly personal.. So it seems that this dichotomy is your own.. Have a nice day..

Now now.... That isn't true.. You just have to use the right logic..

And people wonder why they don't respond more often.. When people are going to say crap like this when they do respond.. Why flipping bother.. When are you going to step up and develop an understanding of how computer programming and bug fixing works?? Those of us who have to read your posts want to know..

The only concern I have is.. If Bioware decides to offer free game time to people that were effected by bugs, what is to stop other folks from making false claims in hopes of getting free game time?? It should never become common knowledge that Bioware gives out goodies to those effected by bugs.. Otherwise that could backfire on them.. There are actually reasons why Bioware wouldn't want to issue any kind of compensation.. The last thing they need is countless people trying to get a hold of some compensation of their own.. I am just saying this as something to consider.. Nobody likes to be effected by bugs.. It sucks, and I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.. But on the issue of compensation, Bioware should tread lightly if at all..

I don't know.. I only play republic.. So that maybe very well true.. For the republic, the only one that I can think of is the fleet one.. You can use 2 people for the one on Tatooine on the sand crawler.. But you don't have have to.. There is always the balloon..

I guess.. All I really have to say is... Why?? Logging onto all your toons at the same time is just asking for trouble.. I don't even see the need for something like that.. There would be control issues, network issues, and countless other issues.. It just isn't even in the realm of being able to be considered.. The armory to hold legacy stuff?? Meh.. I am indifferent to that one.. People need to understand is that the reason we have limited storage, is to make us descide what to keep and what not to keep.. It forces us to get rid of old stuff to make room for new stuff.. There is nothing wrong with that.. Nobody needs to keep absolutely everything.. I can understand a legacy bank as a means to transfer mats and things from character to character.. But it doesn't need to be all that big, and it needs to respect all binding rules..

I know right.. There is only like one datacron that requires more than one person.. The one on the fleet.. I just don't see what the fuss is about..

Not hardly.. Both my wife and I pay our own bills.. She has a subscription as well.. So I actually pay for 2 subscriptions... Both on the 6 month plan.. Both since launch, both here for early release.. Remember what I said about making assumptions about people?? Oh she also has the CE.. Yes.. I bought two of them.. My Darth Malgus is sitting next to my Rancor, and her Darth Malgus is sitting next to her Y-Wing fighter.. The only difference is, I have the common sense to know that bugs are going to happen and are a part of life.. Complaining about them and demanding compensation is just stupid.. There is no reason that Bioware should give you anything.. Why does it work for most other folks and not you?? Is the problem Bioware or your computer?? It could be both.. But all you want to do is ask for a hand out..

Dude.. We need to stop doing this!!!! Did the planets align or something?? What the heck!!

What makes you say that?? You have to pay to use the forums... And I have been here since July of 2011 in the close beta, I was here for early release.. I have the CE edition, and I am on the 6 month subscription every since launch.. Now I am sure you need to stop making assumptions about people..

Really all people have to do is get the ones that matter to their character.. Main stat, endurance, and presence is really all you need.. I wouldn't even go after crystals at this point.. They are pretty much useless until Bioware decides to upgrade the recipes.. That doesn't leave very many to get.. If you want them all then that is your choice.. It is always your choice.. The fact is though, nobody should get something on a character they didn't earn.. People will make more of an effort to run an Op repeatedly to get a specific item to drop that gives them a small upgrade by comparison.. To me there is no debate here.. It is all a matter of choice.. And we as players must live with that choice..

Oh there are no circles here.. Just the glass house that you live in.. Perhaps next time you accuse someone of being insulting, you will check and make sure they didn't just copy you...

The correct word in that phrase is empathy, and it has no place here.. You are wanting sympathy, and most of have none for someone handling the situation in the manner that you are..

My sympathy begins and ends with how proactive someone is being in attempt to get their issue fixed.. Are they here in the forums looking for and asking for free stuff?? Or.. Have they made every attempt to contact Bioware, including phone and email?? Bottom line is, there is no reason to come onto the forums and ask for free stuff.. I find it to be an unreasonable request in any and all circumstances.. I have no problem getting support when I need it.. Sure some fixes take time, but they do get fixed.. The is just the way of life when playing computer games.. I had to wait almost a month for the patch that fixed Crysis 3.. The last boss wouldn't appear before patch.. Such is life.. Either deal with the reality that there are bugs in computer games and you aren't entitled to anything because of them, or stop playing computer games... Choice is yours..

That isn't the point.. Your inability to play the game the way Bioware intended is.. Why roll alts if all you are going to do is whine about ways to make things so you don't have to play your alt?? I find it really odd how some people think, the argument that it won't effect someone else is even valid.. If that is your only point then you simply have no point.. To make it worse, it is a really lame argument.. Are you saying that a change in the game isn't going to effect anyone else??? Really?? That is like saying that getting rid of all the speeders and mounts won't effect you.. Well.. As they say... If it looks like it, smells like it, feels like it, you call it what it is.. I have plenty of alts.. And I play them all.. I am also not here screaming about legacy.. To me each alt is an individual character.. Each of which needs to earn their own keep and their own perks.. Isn't that the point of an alt to begin with?? I never saw anywhere that said alts were never intended to be played.. That legacy made alts obsolete..