I can tell you right now Op is the most boring class in the entire game. At least Scoundrels have cool shotguns to spice things up, while Op's every attack skill looks almost the same. That would be aesthetic-wise. Gameplay-wise you already know they are teh suck.

Because then it wouldn't be like WoW. Who cares that WoW's features don't make sense in Star Wars, it HAS to be like WoW, period.

Lol Republic

IA but the gamestyle SUCKS. Both Sniper and Operative are boring as hell, you will hate it after about 20 - 30 lvls. SW is propably the safest bet because they've got cool story AND fun gameplay/mechanics.

For those who are bored with WoW-like design I recommend checking out these projects: -The Secret World -Archeage -Guild Wars 2 obviously - TERA if you like asian grindfests (I know I don't)

People are burned out on WoW/EQ clones, not MMOs. Which is why SWTOR is losing subcribers. Almost zero innovation. But yeah for people who can't think outside the box MMO genre = WoW I guess, so they are burned out on MMOs in a way.

I remember how much hate I was getting back before launch every time I'd write that TOR is gonna be WoW in SW with dialogue. Where are all these fanboys now I wonder

Because they want to have something awesome happen whenever they push a button.

ME3 and ME2 are games for people who care more about the so-called immershion and cinematic experience than gameplay. The linear, corridor-like level design and hide-shoot-hide-shoot combat are so behind our times it's amazing these games sell so well. So yeah, of course SWTOR is better.

ROFL Biodrone detected. You sound totally brainwashed.

Grinding sucks. It's a terrible design and until someone creates a better system grind should be kept to minimum. What you don't understand is that people don't have problem with the time it takes to get Battlemaster, the problem is how boring getting it is. If getting it was enjoyable, dynamic gameplay, then it could last a year for all I care, as long as I have fun. Again - grinding for best gear is a TERRIBLE system. Only people who can't think outside the box might like it. Grind = brainless, repetitive gameplay. Why does doing the same trivial thing for 2 months make you feel like you accomplished something? It's like working at factory and thinking it makes you the next Bill Gates.

I'm thinking about tanking as a Vigilance spec with Soresu because I find Defense dps/threat generation pretty horrible. It doesn't really look like I would lose much survivailibility as Vigilance, but the dps increase is considerable.

I feel sorry for every group, which has a clicker Guardian as a tank. I'm serious, there is no worse class in this game for a clicker.

Game is perfect, you suck. Low population is a FEATURE. Working as intended. You suck shut up, you suck You can romance furries, what else do you want??!! END OF RINE

Never. WoW doesn't have anything similar, so this game won't either.

No, I won't. I don't even have the game installed on my PC, simply waiting for the subscription to run out.

You do realize op is talking about overall "balance", not the fact that there are differences in abilities and design, right? Are you stupid or something? A biodrone-level stupidity coming from a developer... I'm left speechless.

May the Tohno Gland be with you brotha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7zyNnEeyM ^Aric 10 years after marriage

Are you being sarcastic? I hope you are. As for warzones, they are actually well-designed in itself (obviously out-sourced to better designing team). It's just that the whole system is faulty and oPvP is a joke.

This is an interesting post. I never looked at it this way. What you're basically saying is that SWTOR questing system is bottlenecked, with writing/voice acting being made near-to-worthless due to the limitations of actual gameplay/quest design. You're pretty much right. I find myself mostly uninterested by writing simply because I know it's just a text/sound filler leading to a "kill x mobs" chore. This is an interesting issue from system-designing point of view since it shows how all elements of the system need to be of similar quality or the better parts will be made just a worthless waste of resources. It's common sense. Bioware took Everquest/WoW system and added some improvements created with single player in mind, while totally ignoring other aspects due to their fear of innovation. I believe their designers definietly need to learn more about project management and system designing. Though in big corporations it's often the terrible managers who are the problem, not neccesarily the designers. Hell, I know few game designers in rl and they are very talented people with creative minds. I can't see them doing the same mistakes Bioware did.

The only reasons I still log in from time to time is because: a) I'm playing mostly with friends from real (too bad TOR is designed for solo gameplay mostly) b) I'm interested in IA storyline I won't be renewing subscription, that's for sure. EDIT: BTW ALL RPGs are always about killing monsters, getting loot and developing your character/party however SWTOR managed to make actual gameplay a chore, while most single player RPGs are simply fun.

No, I'm simply staying close to the topic at hand. Reasons why I subscribed have zero impact on the things discussed here.

BF3 has also more meaningful customization options (even though it isn't even an RPG). What does it say about SWTOR?

Stop trolling OR BAN. END OF RINE. Thank you.