Now you're holding the flag for hardcore gamers? But its ok for hardcore gamers to buy a new game with little or no endgame? Make up your mind Eklipzze. If your hardcore, a low amount of endgame content is going to drive you away b/c of boredom. If you're casual you'll be content with little endgame, no? You're talking out of your ***.

Yeah, that's BS. Most of BW's videos and live demos pre-launch were focused around pvp. And I recall multiple interviews close to launch with their team featuring pvp as the hot topic.

I betcha I can wipe the floor with you in any game I play. You'd be my personal pinata. Watch who you call a scrub, boy.

If it was up to Bioware, they would remove pvp from this game altogether. That's how little they care.

All the top pvpers from beta left the top pvp server and cancelled their subs. You tell me.

Come on guys, you don't like looking like an exact duplicate of the four other BHs in your WZ? Come on! Where's? your spirit? Didn't anyone like the Clone Wars?

Maybe b/c BW took my favorite licensed, intellectual property and turned it into a steaming pile of crap. Do you realize another game company CAN'T release a Star Wars game in an MMO format until BW agreement expires? Just like when SOE rented SWG. So now any SW fanboi who dreamed of playing a solid SW MMO is now screwed once again by a bad company.

TSW comes out in 2 months, I would suggest taking a peek.

Hahaha, yeah, you know when player will be bold enough to hack, without a worry about getting their account banned, a game has sunk.

With BW being complete amateurs in the MMO scene and their current track record, I'd wager at least 6-8 months.

Yeah, I getting ready for TSW. I hope Funcom had 20/20 hindsight and will actually put out a quality product this round.

Here's a news flash. Funcom didn't have the mass exodus until almost 6 months after launch. So technically, I paid for a AoC account way longer then SWTOR. AoC lost about 700k accounts during that disaster, leaving them with something like 300k actives. Swtor lost 300k account in the FIRST month alone, out of their 1.7 million boxes sold. If that's not a bad sign, I dont know what is..... (disclaimer: my numbers are far from perfect, but theyre in the ballpark)

Well it depends on what you mean by choice. Honestly outside of wearing a cowboy hat or wielding a huge assault cannon, why would you want to play a reb? Reb's story sux, their animations suck, the appearance of their gear sux. Even their titles and mounts blow. Take this from some1 who leveled reb toons to 50, 30, and 26. And 3 lvl 50 imps toons. Most players were railroaded into going imp just for the cosmetic fluff alone. Let's not forget there was actually class imbalances at launch with their mirrors. Can any1 say Scoundrel? Don't make me post the patch notes with that disaster. In my book, Bioware is directly responsible for faction imbalance. This was a hot topic for ages during beta that was never resolved. Bioware's negligence is becoming legendary.

People are surprised pvp sucks in this game? What do you expect when a company hires a hack like Gabe Amatangelo to be their head pvp designer? I hope BW keeps him forever, b/c there's a long line at unemployment....

It's amazing how low ppl's expectations are and how easily they are amused. "Damn these ppl are spoiled. They expect every buggy to have an engine in them! Couldn't they just be happy with a few horses? Darn kids!" /sarcasm off

Pre-NGE was great. -amazing crafting -substantial world loot drops -non-instanced raids/dungeons -player base raids -chance to make Jedi -relevant content across all the planets -cool character build/progression system -server events -player cities, and the list goes on. The only thing that sucked was everyone had to wear composite armor and eventually anyone and everyone became a Jedi.

Another joke is the whole guild summit thing. Let's see, it in a month from now to collect data that will what, come to fruition in a year from now? hahahaha

Sorry, but nobody should have to juggle guildmates and pay a sub for a year before they get the drips and drabs of a good endgame. Granted you can unsub and resub at a later date, but honestly, how many ppl still around after 6 months has gone by playing other games and making new friends? Game companies have a very small window to hook players, and BW blew it.

Bugs are frustrating but ultimately won't make me quit a game. Bad endgame, , zero customization, meaningless pvp, and a pattern of knee jerk nerfs will thought.

With my experience with BW, I think they will stay stubborn to the end. Their stubbornness has led them to this debacle in the 1st place. The funny thing is that when you cancel they email you a survey asking a good amount of questions pertaining to the F2P model and how it sits with you. I give the game 6 months before its F2P.

Guys, this ship has already sunk. There is no recourse for this game anymore. If Bioware wasn't publishing a popular license like Star Wars, this game would have had a mass exodus on the level of AoC or SWG, already. Bioware never intended to get more then box sale out of ppl anyways. They didn't care about pvp, end game content, or customization. This game was doomed from the very start. I cancelled a month ago. Bioware doesn't deserve anymore money. The only reason I'm even trolling these forums is b/c I relish their demise. I enjoy watching SWTOR's slow death. Better games are coming out soon. Pick up Skyrim to hold you over and sell your accounts while you can.

Its more than 70 bucks in a bar to some of us. Star Wars is an important sci-fi franchise that we grew up on. You're dealing with major geekdom here. BW licensed the Star Wars brand and made an MMO, just like Sony did. A sizable portion of the community enjoy pvp. BW ruined pvp in the only SW franchised MMO currently available. Star Wars fans are locked out of any chance to play another pvp oriented SW MMO since BW hired simpleton designers. You think LucasArts is going to license out SW MMO to another company?

Now we know what BioWorn is spending all their time and resources on.....

Already cancelled.

I think we can start calling Bioware.....""BioWorn".