It's akin to watching kids argue over who's toy is better, with nothing but the sticker price of the toy separating the value of said toys. One toy, has more features, but one toy is newer and more expensive but does less, but has a much better coat of paint on it and looks really cool, but the older toy has been remade several times, and is less expensive. But the newer toy talks, and the older toy doesn't. The newer toy is based on a product people like, the Older toy is based on something Less people liked. It's completely pointless, the only way this can be discussed is rationally. Eventually you just want to slap Both bratty children upside the head, take away Both their toys, and put them in time out..while you secretly play with both toys and enact an epic battle for supremacy. I have done this, I am not ashamed.

That's a huge point right there. I Don't feel like I control my own character half the time in PVP, at all. It's really disturbing, and I even know how to use resolve properly, if I'm not dead before it's full. I've seen Operatives go right by me (smugglers too), and never attack because my resolve bar WILL fill, and I WILL kill them, they just go after the clothies, which is what they should do. But still, they don't need to attack me, the sheer amount if KB/CC will do me in just fine.

Try my weight training sucker-punch method. You'll get more muscle mass and look better, despite the lumpy broken face. I'd wager though it's better than needles in the eye. That just sound's awful, at least my idea has an upside.

Thanks for the link. You didn't spoiler any story which was good of you, there's not much reason players would reply to that thread but I'm sure they looked and some agreed.

Dude it's like my Sith Juggernaut is a Ping Pong ball in Warzones. Especially huttball. Numerous occasions I've been knocked back, into a knock back, into a knock back, into a force push. I travel faster that way than by running. I had my last straw with pvp today, I charged a consular on a bridge in Voidstar, suddenly everything was stars/nebula clouds and I was defeated, then I was defeated again, and then kicked due to being in the safe zone for too long. Stuck did nothing, and the game was making this weird WooooobbbBWAP! Sound out of my headphones, and then it just shut down. I was like :| Nope.

Yeah that's kind of what was killing me too. I never really felt "at war" with the Republic. I Know they're our hated enemies, I Know that were supposed to subvert them at every turn, but the way they downplay each sides military capabilities to make you feel more powerful is ridiculous. It was pretty hard to swallow. It's like Malavai Quinn was the ONLY worthwhile imperial officer in the Empire to my Sith Warrior. The end game - if you're going to have us reach it so quickly (even without spacebaring and playing a moderate ammount) will take you less than a month, and have nothing but an RNG loot treadmill, or a PVE loot treadmill where the gear is oddly out of whack statwise, and the bosses are just bugged to heck? I wonder man.

Awesome man welcome to the Genre. Hope you enjoy yourself for years to come. Do yourself a favor, start reading up on a game called Guild Wars 2. You might find some stuff you like there too. Having new blood to an old and toxic genre is really great to see.

Hey man more power to you. I've been doing that kind of thing since it was fun for me in EQ1. I really hope you enjoy yourself and that you get the rewards you want from it. It makes me happy to see that there are players who will enjoy Biowares system.

I'm being hypothetical here. Punch yourself really hard in the face - if you don't pass out, weight train and try again, harder this time. I think that's about how much I dread this RNG bag nonsense.

9/10th of the reason I don't want to hit 50 is that ridiculous gear grind. I think I'm over the treadmill for loot to kill more bosses/players to get better loot to kill more bosses/players so on so on so on. Especially when their art team seems to be from Mars.

I *HAVE* Heard that /v/ is really up in arms against this game. Really it's pretty pathetic. I hope SWTOR does really well when they get things in order.

"Hi, I'm Sarah Mclachlan. Every day, Thousands of innocent TOR players are abused, and mistreated by their game. For just fifteen dollars a month, you can help save these players from Bugs, Crashes, and Lack of Content. Just remember, for others..Help comes too late..Here's some pictures of sad gamers." Way to ruin my Whole night Sarah.

Well. I want to read it. I liked the voss, and did it as Imperial, so link me to your thread.

Well. I can tell you from my personal experience that the game does have some good points. However, they're not enough to keep a player like me interested. I've played most every MMO to date, for varying lengths of time. So far I can't think of one that's bored me as quickly as TOR has. It's not even bugs or any such game breaking issues that did me, my wife, and one of our friends in who is an absolute star wars Nut. I mean, he has this stuff on his mantle. Were giving him our extra CE box stuff because, well we only need 1 of each item. But that's not what were here to discuss. "Haters" the ones that vocally scream so loud about this game? Are one of two kinds of people. Trolls, or people who are in honest very disappointed with what's happened here. They are the ones that will make good replies, yet still list what they feel is wrong, or why they unsubbed. One can't focus on just the good, or the bad. It has to be both. As of right now, the game has nothing at all to keep a person like me interested, and I'd bet a lot of mmo veterans are feeling that way. Are we burned out on traditional MMO's? Probably, and that's okay too. But TOR really had a chance to up the ante. They didn't. The voice acting is fun 1-49. When you hit 50? There is none of it left. My main is just sitting at 49 because I have nothing to look forward to. I've got a bunch of alts, we really did try. It's just overwhelmingly "Meh". What TOR did do really well is make the leveling process fun, they just cut it Way too short. My wife feels the gameplay just isn't strong enough. If your core gameplay is not where it needs to be, everything else is just bandaids on a bleeding gash. We'll come back if it improves. (Not all unsubs are insane.)

Oh please don't call anything an anything killer. It's a term that brings my ears to remember nails on a chalkboard. I for one will be playing GW2. I've already closed my SWTOR sub because it's just too much of the same uninspired Grind. I hope GW2 will be able to live up to what it's showing, and by research it should come pretty close. Thrilled by the aspect that the world isn't so static, and you can actually explore underwater. Anyway, I hope SWTOR lives on for a good long while.

5/10. Quests grind is hidden 1st time through, Voice overs are good, story can be pretty engrossing. Everything else? Has absolutely no hold at all to me.