Not when you factor in medals, objective points and K/D.

Korvex, the one with 14k dmg in a 15 minute match, obviously left or was DC - which is also apparent as we cannot VOTE for him. CONTEXT CLUES. GET THEM!

How does a troll even type coherently? I don't understand.... Do you guys have special keyboards? Btw you're on ignore now.

He is wrong. They never planted a bomb. Never. Not once. Even if he wasn't wrong (and he is) disarming a bomb should grant the very same point that planting one should give, i.e. granting a tie. I know looking at a picture is kind of hard, but look at the picture again and count the green lines. There are only 8. Not 9. Please stop spreading mis-informed, false information.

TOR's PvP is such ****. Can't wait for GW2.

Le sigh. We had 2 healers. They had 4, all over 300k. They had more deaths, even with twice our healers and about triple our healing. What part aren't you understanding?

Or the game's pvp tie mechanics are fail? I think I'm going to go with that one.

This has been proven to be false....check the thread.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. The Republic on our server (maybe not your's?) are actually quite active, with a thriving and growing community of Battlemasters of their own. The Republic on our server are not noobs. The facts given by some in this thread are incorrect. Tbone actually is a Battlemaster (I believe anyway) - whether or not he has BM PvP gear is irrelevant. I am almost 3 ranks into BM and I don't have a piece of BM gear either. Yes, they prevented us from getting past a single door. A competent premade team can do that. As we were also a competent team, we also prevented THEM from getting past a single door. This *will* become an issue with Rated Warzones and a tie breaker that seems more than random needs to be known throughout the community or this game's PvP is going to fail even worse than it already has. In a Rated PvP Warzone sense: yes I would. I don't want another team that didn't get through a door either to win and get a rating increase for simply starting on Defender or some silly mess like that. I'd rather we both didn't get an increase or we both took a hit. What I would *rather* happen though would be that the team that performed better: less deaths, more kills, more medals etc: took the win.

Your Spectre guildie was the PUG in that fight - it wasn't a full PUG group though. As has been stated (and ignored) there was a full FA premade in that WZ. Thankyou.

Wrong. If you have read this thread as you said you have, you would have noticed that people who started on defending side and ended attacking have still lost in ties. Please stop challenging people's intelligence levels when you do not have a clue what you're talking about yourself. Thanks.

What you fail to realize is that this is going to affect Rated Full 8man Warzones when they are released. You WILL go up against extremely competent teams where neither are going to be able to get a bomb on the first door. Therefore, there *needs* to be a clear discernible factor that gives one team the win and one team the lose over the other - it cannot just be who started on which side first. That's retarded. Whichever team has the best stats at the end of the match should win. Point blank. If there is another factor that I'm missing, I'd love the developers to chime in here quickly and put the issue to rest.

It wasn't huttball man... Jesus...look at the screenshot.

HOLD THE BALL?????!! Seriously, no wonder there are "Nerf Sorc" threads.... Jesus people.

How far did the enemy team get? Seriously...do you guys fail at context clues or what?

You NEVER planted a bomb! Even still: planting a bomb and having that bomb removed should reward equal points: i.e. a TIE. You were not just a PUG, it was a Furious Angels premade in there. Please do not come onto the forums and start LYING. Thankyou.

No, but neither did their team. So why isn't a draw or any other other discernible difference to determined who wins and who doesn't.

Where did it say my team focused on that? We focused on trying to plant bombs on offensive and defend our doors on defense. Hence why we have more objective points. Try to stay with the class. The rest of your post is just theoretical, non-factual bullcrap and you should be ashamed for typing that up instead of giving a REAL reason as to why in a TIE a LOSS was handed out to the team that performed BETTER than the other - across the board.

I'm going to ask the Biodrones to stop posting in this thread. Your rabid defense of this game's obvious failings will not cause the slow bleed of PvPers until GW2 releases which of course will then become an open wound. Not sure that you fail to understand that while YES we didn't successfully plant a bomb: but NEITHER DID THEY! When it is a TIE for both sides, why is the win not given to the team who performed the best? WHAT is the tie breaker?

This is PvP, not the United Nations: the team that performs better should get the win hands down. Secondly, their dmg was lower because they had 4 healers. Thirdly, even with 4 healers - all above 300k minimum, they STILL had more deaths. Your explanation isn't plausible at all.

I don't understand...how does this post relate AT ALL to my OP?

Seriously? SERIOUSLY????

1. Very hard to burn them down fast enough or cc them long enough for an 8 second plant when they have 4 healers. That being said, we still came away with less deaths. 2. Serves me right? For what? Saying your precious TOR's PvP is an absolutely piece of crap? Guess what? It is. I can't even understand why you are saying we were farming medals when clearly my team has more objective points by far than the winning team: i.e. we were attempting bomb plants and defending bomb captures far more than them.

And neither were they - so why did they win? Yes, we had the better team - but with 4 healers it is extremely difficult to burn them all down long enough to keep them behind the barrier to plant the bomb. I expect in a tie situation in VS that the team: With more kills With less deaths With more objective points With more medals to come out the victor, NOT the team that didn't do even half as good - even if they were able to stop bomb plans: because guess what - so were we.

I would like an explanation from Stephen Reid, Gabe Amatangelo, Emmanuel, Georg - SOMEONE. Explain just what the **** happened and why your game assigns winner or loser to a team in such a fashion when there is no clear winner.