Oh hi! You must of lost your other thread, here it is, I found it for you. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=359389 Oh! What's that? A mod closed it!? MAYBE you should take a hint and stop QQing about the community.

This. Remember when they gave us that one test server to test end game content , where you could roll a 42 out the gate? Problem was they didn't give us ANY credits to train ANY of our skills. We were level 42, with NO skills, and over 1 million credits away from purchasing them. Instead mailing everyone credits, they just shut the server down a week later, and that was endgame testing. I mean who up in the high ranks doesn't think of these issues? Durp durp. That and an Ilum that was open and completely empty, no walkers, or nothing, we had no clue the disaster they had planned there, or we would have told them it sucked. And like the guy I qouted said, we were met with a brick wall, and no communication from devs outside of a general sticky on the test forums here and there. And guess what ,90% of the /bug tickets I turned in three beta builds before launch are still in the damn game!? Completely unacceptable IMO.

Already a thread for this: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=359246 And I like that thread a lot better than this one.

Would love that, but this is too carebear for all that. That would never be "equal" though claim the have nots.

Where would you put them? This games "worlds" are nothing but linear "glorified hallways".

lulz.

Carebears, and I don't mean any disrespect, especially to the casuals. But carebears ruin everything. The main reason ppl that don't play MMO's, say they don't like or play MMO's is because they just don't have the time. Yet carebears, and some casuals have the nerve to complain about things "taking too long to get" "or having too many skills" on MMO forums(where things like that are to be expected in these games of longevity and subscriptions) is what lead to WOW, being made, and conforming to the masses. Making everything easy mode, and making exploration a one time trick pony. I personally never liked WoW, always too easy mode, and linear, pretty much like this game.

I lol'd. Forum PVP! Go!

People use it to try and sound smart, because it's easy to spell. That's my theory about the word anyhow. But yea, I don't like when people us it in posts either.

Lol, this^

I disagree. INb4lock, Oh and L2P Noob.

First I see ppl QQing about mailboxes and saying that we shouldn't have them, then I see ppling QQing about having gear, and that we have shouldn't have any and everyone should be the same and equal, then I see ppl saying this game is too hard, and they can't find any time to grind, but they want everything and they want it now, so we shouldn't have any grind, and now this?! We have too many abilities?! :facepalm: This is an MMO, stop trying to make it a dumbed down simplistic arcade fighter ppl.

Personally I think you should unhook from the train of thought that PVP in an MMO should be more like an FPS. But of course that's just my opinion against yours and neither of us are budging on that one.

SWG? really?! when I played the best pvper was the one who took the TIME to train all 50 professions. So time=advantage in that game. And grind = incentive. Also you got paid to kill other players so........ Next?

Not a paid subscription MMO. Orly!? no incentive at all huh? Eve has incentive for PVP, and "corpse looting" Sounds like an incentive outside of just pvping for the sake of pvp to me.

I have fun with open world PVP siege engines, win or LOSE, it's still a blast. Much more of a blast that the same old 8 v 8 in one of 3 small shards. PVP in this game is a joke. 1.2 is a result of the carebear stare for equal gear for fresh 50's. Take away carrot, watch ppl unsub in droves. smh, haven't you devs learned anything in the last 8 years? WOW was lighting it won't strike again in the same place ever. Ppl are bored of wow, and come to this game for a different experience are bored before they even started because this game IS a wannabe wow, and people who come here from games like pre cu SWG, and DAoC, are let down by the carebear linear boringness that is the Tortanic.

Name one other paid subsscription MMO's in the history of paid MMO;s, where pvper's actually PVP just for the sake of pvping, no rewards, no incentive, no taking over lands. Pls name one. I'll wait.

Color gear options, mounts, and the job of babysitting in warzones will not be enough to merit a payed monthly sub from me, or most of the players I know. To those of you that it is, good luck, and I'm happy you found a game that caters to your play style, And hopefully this game keeps you guys here so you don't infect any other MMO games with carebearlistic ideals in the future.

As bad as his grammar is, he has a point, you should except endgame character progression making PVP unfair in MMO's(that's kinda the norm for them overall), you mention DAoC, and guess what?! Dark ages awarded time put in with more powerful characters than those who didn't put in the time.

DAoC awarded those who PVP'd with additional stats and abilites which gave an "unfair" advantage. But you are ok with that. But you don't want gear progression in this game when it is the same thing as DAoC, except instead of gear giving the bonus, it was your REALM RANK LEVEL. So if SWTOR was set up like DAoC, then who ever had the highest valor rank would have the best stats. Because that's how it worked when I played DAoC.

When did you play DARK AGES? Because there were stat differences and granted abilities between lower RR's and higher RR's when I played, RR10's were god. So you don't want unfair advantages for time put in on this game, but you were ok with in DAoC. Interesting.

The type of PVP you are looking for in MMO's is only in like 3 MMO's I can think of off hand, you mentioned DAoC a few times, In DAoC ppl fought for Realm Rank, and guess what, also boosted stats. A RR8 would smash all over a RR2. Most MMO's pvp is not equal as far as gear/stats goes. I have said it before, street fighter is better suited to your need of what PVP should be. Equal.

Yea that was fun an cool a decade ago(and most MMO's have supported progression since then). Ppl have come to expect progression since then. This isn't the "oooooooooo's" and the "ahhhhhhh's" of the late 90's with the internet and games. Ppl want incentive for their time put into subscribtion based MMO's and engame PVP, if we just simply wanted to PVP equally over the same warzone over and aover, we would go play agame like quake3 online arena, its free btw.

Pretty much this.

Because Bioware is doing there damndest to make this game WOW2, in space. And both the WoW fans, and the people who despise WoW, are hating them for it. TL;DR Game sucks.